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The misses didn't set back the organization back due to the GOATNESS we had. Since then Missed on a QB, and hit on A WR this time around in Pop.
Do the 49ers look “set back” because they traded three firsts to move up for Trey Lance?

Team building is a lot more than just draft picks or “weapons.” Brady had good to great players around him for two decades, it didn’t matter where they came from or what round.

If the 2023 Patriots had just a “good” QB all season they’d be in the playoffs. If they had a “great” QB they’d have won the AFC East… nobody is dominant now.

They missed on the QB position, try again… and get it right this time.
 
Rookie WR’s have the highest failure rate in the NFL… at least offensively. The Patriots are not alone.
The biggest problem is that Belichick simply doesn't value WRs the way most teams do. Additionally, Belichick has made the same mistake more than once. With specific respect to WR, an example of this was Brandon Tate, who missed a bunch of time in 2009 because of an NFL rule that prohibited (prohibits?) rookies from practicing with their teammates until their class graduates (even if they have already graduated). So what did he do in 2010? Select another such player in Taylor Price.
 
Scarry to think we could have had A.J. Brown and Deebo in the same Draft instead of the two flameouts we Drafted. But I'm not one to bring up our past.
N’Keal was a terrible pick. He was soft, a total cremepuff.

I think BB’s inclination to hire only choir boys of late has hurt his ability to find players.

WR’s especially need to have supreme confidence and a big swinging ****.
 
Do the 49ers look “set back” because they traded three firsts to move up for Trey Lance?

Team building is a lot more than just draft picks or “weapons.” Brady had good to great players around him for two decades, it didn’t matter where they came from or what round.

If the 2023 Patriots had just a “good” QB all season they’d be in the playoffs. If they had a “great” QB they’d have won the AFC East… nobody is dominant now.

They missed on the QB position, try again… and get it right this time.
Despite doing great overall, they could've been a juggernaut if they had taken, say, Micah Parsons in 2021.
 
The biggest problem is that Belichick simply doesn't value WRs the way most teams do. Additionally, Belichick has made the same mistake more than once. With specific respect to WR, an example of this was Brandon Tate, who missed a bunch of time in 2009 because of an NFL rule that prohibited (prohibits?) rookies from practicing with their teammates until their class graduates (even if they have already graduated). So what did he do in 2010? Select another such player in Taylor Price.
If WR’s have the worst success rate in the draft then taking them early isn’t smart.

People keep mentioning N’Keal, like if they whine about it enough they can undue the pick.

I didn’t want a WR #1 that year… or ever. And the only reason I think BB reached for one in 2019 was his vet QB was grousing about weapons.

They got Jakobi Meyers as an IDFA that year, now the same people complaining BB gave Brady terrible weapons like Meyers in 2019 are moaning that BB didn’t sign Meyers instead of Juju.
 
Despite doing great overall, they could've been a juggernaut if they had taken, say, Micah Parsons in 2021.
Parsons was taken ahead of the Patriots pick in 2021, he was out of reach.

Are we just looking at all the great players and complaining about “what if” at this point? The Patriots D is elite, Mac sucks, Parsons wouldn’t change that.
 
Parsons was taken ahead of the Patriots pick in 2021, he was out of reach.

Are we just looking at all the great players and complaining about “what if” at this point? The Patriots D is elite, Mac sucks, Parsons wouldn’t change that.
I was talking about what the Niners could've done if they hadn't traded up for Lance and just stayed at 12.
 
I was talking about what the Niners could've done if they hadn't traded up for Lance and just stayed at 12.
49ers are still a juggernaut. Everybody misses on rookies, they’re unreliable, they’re scratch tickets. They needed a QB, they almost traded up and took Mac… it would have ended in disaster either way.
 
I didn’t want a WR #1 that year… or ever. And the only reason I think BB reached for one in 2019 was his vet QB was grousing about weapons.
The Patriots offense for a dozen years had top-tier talent at some combination of deep-threat WR, slot WR, TE, and pass-catching RB, including arguable GOATs at more than one of those positions. They don't have any of that right now. They need someone who can pull coverage away from the LOS.
 
The Patriots offense for a dozen years had top-tier talent at some combination of deep-threat WR, slot WR, TE, and pass-catching RB, including arguable GOATs at more than one of those positions. They don't have any of that right now. They need someone who can pull coverage away from the LOS.
They don’t have a QB… we won’t know what Douglas, Thronton or any of the receiving weapons can be without the person to throw to them.

Zappe might grow into that, they might draft him… but receivers without QB and blocking are worthless.
 
We need talent (and quality talent as depth pieces), at every position on this team. Even on the D-Line, besides Barmore (who looks like he could play every position on a 3-4 front and not just DT on a 4-3), there is a significant drop-off in talent.
I think our Dline is pretty solid actually. Barmore is turning into a league top 3 Dlineman right in front of our eyes.

Judon will be back reeking havoc on the edge next season.

White is learning on the job and should be much better next year.

Wise is rock solid in all phases.

Gaudchaux is an excellent run stuffer.

Don’t forget Ekuale is coming back next season; he’s a solid interior pash rusher who also holds his own against the run.

The guy we need to look to replace is Guy. He’s been solid here for years but he’s long in the tooth now. His play has naturally declined; I wouldn’t be surprised if retires at the end of the season.
 
N’Keal was a terrible pick. He was soft, a total cremepuff.

I think BB’s inclination to hire only choir boys of late has hurt his ability to find players.

WR’s especially need to have supreme confidence and a big swinging ****.
No, that's Cornerback. Some WRs don't even have a ****.
 
Mods: Rename this thread "Why did we draft Harry over Brown and Samuel"...because that's where we always end up.
 
Do the 49ers look “set back” because they traded three firsts to move up for Trey Lance?

Team building is a lot more than just draft picks or “weapons.” Brady had good to great players around him for two decades, it didn’t matter where they came from or what round.

If the 2023 Patriots had just a “good” QB all season they’d be in the playoffs. If they had a “great” QB they’d have won the AFC East… nobody is dominant now.

They missed on the QB position, try again… and get it right this time.
I don't think anyone here including me is denying that. However the focal point is the patriots, we had the ultimate equalizer for the draft misses. On the 49ers if you give me your 100k escalade to drive I'll be sure not to get a scratch on it.
 
Rookie WR’s have the highest failure rate in the NFL… at least offensively. The Patriots are not alone.
Why didn't Jefferson fail? Moss? Diggs? When they were rookies? The Patriots may have all the Intel in the world on guys.. however drafting and developing a guy is one in the same.
 
Scarry to think we could have had A.J. Brown and Deebo in the same Draft instead of the two flameouts we Drafted. But I'm not one to bring up our past.
Seems like we do better actually barely drafting a WR pop& Jules to name a few. 6th and 7th rounders.
 
Do the 49ers look “set back” because they traded three firsts to move up for Trey Lance?

Team building is a lot more than just draft picks or “weapons.” Brady had good to great players around him for two decades, it didn’t matter where they came from or what round.

If the 2023 Patriots had just a “good” QB all season they’d be in the playoffs. If they had a “great” QB they’d have won the AFC East… nobody is dominant now.

They missed on the QB position, try again… and get it right this time.

And keep trying until they get it right.
 
Why didn't Jefferson fail? Moss? Diggs? When they were rookies? The Patriots may have all the Intel in the world on guys.. however drafting and developing a guy is one in the same.

If you really understood what qualities enable one prospect to excel and others to fail, when jumping to the NFL’s level of play, you would be running football operations for a franchise. That’s the most important question for every pick, and to date no one has ever consistently gotten it right. Great athletes bust, star college players bust, great leaders bust, great workers bust,coaches on the field bust, and really smart players bust. At the same time players with those qualities also succeed, and some excel. Why a can’t miss player can bust, and a never going to make it player can end up in the HOF. Is still a mystery. Imo Belichick has always leaned into work ethic and leadership qualities, and that has produced both good and bad results. He’s coached the GOAT, whose leadership and work ethic overcame his athletic limitations, and one of, if not the greatest defensive player of all time in Lawrence Taylor, whose freakish athletic abilities led him to dominate, while his character failings kept him from having an even greater career than he had. He’s also coached Randy Moss and Mathew Slster, who are great examples of polar opposite qualities leading to incredible careers. So ultimately there is no one quality that ensures greatness, but usually a mix of them that lead to success or failure, but no one has figured out yet what exactly that mix is. If they did they would never lose.
 
If you really understood what qualities enable one prospect to excel and others to fail, when jumping to the NFL’s level of play, you would be running football operations for a franchise. That’s the most important question for every pick, and to date no one has ever consistently gotten it right. Great athletes bust, star college players bust, great leaders bust, great workers bust,coaches on the field bust, and really smart players bust. At the same time players with those qualities also succeed, and some excel. Why a can’t miss player can bust, and a never going to make it player can end up in the HOF. Is still a mystery. Imo Belichick has always leaned into work ethic and leadership qualities, and that has produced both good and bad results. He’s coached the GOAT, whose leadership and work ethic overcame his athletic limitations, and one of, if not the greatest defensive player of all time in Lawrence Taylor, whose freakish athletic abilities led him to dominate, while his character failings kept him from having an even greater career than he had. He’s also coached Randy Moss and Mathew Slster, who are great examples of polar opposite qualities leading to incredible careers. So ultimately there is no one quality that ensures greatness, but usually a mix of them that lead to success or failure, but no one has figured out yet what exactly that mix is. If they did they would never lose.
Thanks for the explanation. I'll simply put it this way either the WR can play or he can't at the NFL level. That's really the only facet to understand. Guys that are good in this league make all the difference for an offense. We've had some great ones Gronk, Jules. Branch, brown, Amendola, all those guys were good in thier roles for the Patriots offense.
 
If we get a good receiver, like tee Higgins, would it be worth hanging onto juju who always seems to do better when there is a better receiver on the field?
Tee Higgins would be my first choice for a FA WR. Even so, adding a stud addition through the draft/drafts (along with continued improvement of "Pops"), would be a serious step in the right direction. If we do those things, and don't unload JuJu, than keep him for one more season to see if he can contribute with all of the aforementioned having been done.
 
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