Can We Win With An Entire New Coaching Staff?

[Ring 6]

He's on his rookie deal for another year...maybe two if his option is picked up. Then he's gong to want to get paid. I'd rather have a kid on his full rookie contract who they can develop under their system.

What about the fact that it’s a 50/50 shot at best that the guy you draft will be any good?

 

[Ring 6]

How many Lombardis in the last 3 seasons

So the 29 teams that haven’t won a SB in the last 3 years should fire their coach? So every coach who doesn’t win a SB in 3 years should be fired? That’s every coach. Quite a standard you have there.

 

[archstanton543]

What about the fact that it’s a 50/50 shot at best that the guy you draft will be any good?

You can't draft scared.

 

[Rob0729]

Damn you really have no integrity at all when you are wrong do you?
I know you know “can make all the throws” and “threw interceptions” are not close to the same thing. Otherwise no qb could ever say it because they all throw picks.
His hard is it to just have some integrity and say you were wrong to say he can’t make all the throws but the amount of ints he throws means more to you than that?

Not being disingenuous. I guess my interpretation of what he is talking about is different than what you see or possibly what he meant. If I misunderstood then I am wrong.

The fact is Allen is a QB who makes makes stupid mistakes all the time because he tries to do too much because of the talent around him. He would be even mistake prone in the Patriots’ offense because he doesn’t have a Diggs who can consistently get open quickly.

This team would not be in the playoffs with Allen since the Bills are not in the playoffs with the Bills being a more talented team especially on offense. Allen might be having the worst year of his career since he emerged as a top QB because of the lack of talent on offense.

 

[archstanton543]

So the 29 teams that haven’t won a SB in the last 3 years should fire their coach? So every coach who doesn’t win a SB in 3 years should be fired? That’s every coach. Quite a standard you have there.

On average, a head coach in the NFL lasts 3-5 years without a playoff appearance. So, make of that what you will. Kraft said the goal was making it back to the playoffs. We're on year 3 and things are trending in the wrong direction.

 

[Real fan 02]

So the 29 teams that haven’t won a SB in the last 3 years should fire their coach? So every coach who doesn’t win a SB in 3 years should be fired? That’s every coach. Quite a standard you have there.

Bill I mean Andy, it's ok. Your making 25 million a year. I believe we are going in a different direction.

RK

 

[Real fan 02]

On average, a head coach in the NFL lasts 3-5 years without a playoff appearance. So, make of that what you will. Kraft said the goal was making it back to the playoffs. We're on year 3 and things are trending in the wrong direction.

14. PPG in a modern NFL era.

 

[Rob0729]

So the 29 teams that haven’t won a SB in the last 3 years should fire their coach? So every coach who doesn’t win a SB in 3 years should be fired? That’s every coach. Quite a standard you have there.

The Patriots haven’t won a playoff game since 2018. They have had a losing record three of the last four years. They are going to be one of the three worst teams in the NFL this year. Any other head coach and/or GM would been fired weeks ago.

 

[Real fan 02]

What about the fact that it’s a 50/50 shot at best that the guy you draft will be any good?

I RK ask BB of the NEP for his resignation.

Signed on ground round napkin

RK

 

[1960Pats]

Dude, you are the one who said Allen makes all the throws. The fact of the matter is he is a very mistake prone QB. He is an immensely talented QB too, but that wasn't part of the discussion. You just claimed that Allen wouldn't turn over the ball because he makes all throws. You are wrong.

Stupid throws are a staple of an Allen offense.

 

[Sciz]

It not what I think. It's what two organizations think when they want to make a deal. I care more about the Patriots not the chargers. So for example Bill plus a second. If LA took that they could sign a bridge. I know it's unlikely to happen. However it's just a scenario. Nothing should be off the table this off season. Nothing!

Players can’t be included in a trade for a head coach, only picks and cash.

 

[Real fan 02]

Players can’t be included in a trade for a head coach, only picks and cash.

Thanks for that clarification.

 

[lancerman]

It not what I think. It's what two organizations think when they want to make a deal. I care more about the Patriots not the chargers. So for example Bill plus a second. If LA took that they could sign a bridge. I know it's unlikely to happen. However it's just a scenario. Nothing should be off the table this off season. Nothing!

It's not unlikely. It's flat out not real.

The Chargers would only want Bill IF they believed he could coach the current team to a Super Bowl. They don't want a 72 year old for a rebuild. Herbert is likely the Chargers starter for the next decade. They aren't giving that up for a short term benefit. The Patriosts 1st round pick would not be good enough to get the Chargers to move Herbert. Idk why you would think Bill and a 2nd rounder would do it.

 

[1960Pats]

14. PPG in a modern NFL era.

That number seems a bit high.

 

[Real fan 02]

That number seems a bit high.

Your right 13.3

 

[Real fan 02]

It's not unlikely. It's flat out not real.

The Chargers would only want Bill IF they believed he could coach the current team to a Super Bowl. They don't want a 72 year old for a rebuild. Herbert is likely the Chargers starter for the next decade. They aren't giving that up for a short term benefit. The Patriosts 1st round pick would not be good enough to get the Chargers to move Herbert. Idk why you would think Bill and a 2nd rounder would do it.

Siz already clarified. So it was just something I thought of. Of course it's not real. Your right why would they give up Herbert for a 72 year old coach. Bill’s In a conundrum because he wants to be here. Not sure ownership feels the same way.

He won't have it his way in another organization.

 

[Toofy]

It's not unlikely. It's flat out not real.

The Chargers would only want Bill IF they believed he could coach the current team to a Super Bowl. They don't want a 72 year old for a rebuild. Herbert is likely the Chargers starter for the next decade. They aren't giving that up for a short term benefit. The Patriosts 1st round pick would not be good enough to get the Chargers to move Herbert. Idk why you would think Bill and a 2nd rounder would do it.

Totally agree. They might fo this deal if krafts packaged 50 -100 million extra under the Table.

Pats 2nd rounder and bill belichick for Herbert is a joke considering Bill has nothing to show in recent past around building a team around young QB.

If some team gives a 2nd or 3rd for Bill run with it.

 

[Triumph]

He had 14 throws he couldn’t make this year thus far because they were intercepted.

Brady had 14 INTs in 2004.

Could Brady make all the throws?

And what I am posting about has nothing to do with Mac Jones.

It does when you're calling out Allen for stupid interceptions, but still believe in Jones.

Why are you so obsessed with the guy.

You wont stop making excuses for him. Corky is done. Finished. Its over. Adios Amigo. Go Mac and take Thrornton with you.

We are talking about the offensive talent on the Pats besides the QB position. Please stay on subject.

The Pats have talent, but nobody to get the ball to them.

It is funny that you chose a QB that is notorious for making stupid interceptions as the QB to say that if he was on the Patriots that he would make all the throws and not throw picks.

Where did I state that Allen would not commit mistakes on the Patriots?

 

[Rob0729]

Siz already clarified. So it was just something I thought of. Of course it's not real. Your right why would they give up Herbert for a 72 year old coach. Bill’s In a conundrum because he wants to be here. Not sure ownership feels the same way.

He won't have it his way in another organization.

Slight caveat is that with the Chargers’ owners, anything stupid is possible. But a team with any brains wouldn’t trade Herbert for Belichick. But even Spanos isn’t that stupid.

Personally, I doubt the Pats will get much for Belichick. Belichick has the leverage and he isn’t going to go to just any team and he doesn’t want to give up draft capital. My guess is that Kraft, Belichick, and Belichick‘s new team will negotiate a trade package that Kraft can save face and claim he got something for Belichick, but the team receiving Belichick won’t lose a high draft pick. Maybe a third or a fourth.

 

[Rob0729]

Brady had 14 INTs in 2004.

Could Brady make all the throws?

It does when you're calling out Allen for stupid interceptions, but still believe in Jones.

You wont stop making excuses for him. Corky is done. Finished. Its over. Adios Amigo. Go Mac and take Thrornton with you.

The Pats have talent, but nobody to get the ball to them.

Where did I state that Allen would not commit mistakes on the Patriots?

2004 is a completely different era of football. Defenses could play defense back then.

I am not talking about Mac nor am I making excuses. Even when I did defend him, I said he has the potential to be a good QB if he is surrounded by talent and has good coaching. How that related to what I said about Allen. I called Allen a top QB and admited he is doing it with lesser talent after Diggs.

And the Patriots have the least talented offense in the NFL. It is really hard to argue against that. Even if everyone played to their top potential, this team has a bunch of #2 and #3 WRs with no #1 WR.