Belichick signed to long term contract

[Jim Beankie]

Rooting for the win today, obv, but just in case my breakfast sausage doesn't start defying gravity on its own...

 

[Ring 6]

The “down” times are because of ****ty drafts and ****ty FA acquisitions that were made because of the ****ty drafts as well as ****ty decisions like Patricia and Judge running a ****ty O.

Whatever you think the reason is the team is where it is and the best way to get back on top is to keep the greatest football team architect that has ever lived be in charge.

 

[Ring 6]

Since Brady left? You can name what about a dozen teams or more who have done better. San Fran clearly does a better job even with the Lance debacle. Philly has done it better. Miami has done it better. And those are the teams without a top QB.

San Francisco with their current org have won nothing.
Miami hasn’t even won a playoff game.
Philly has won nothing.
You think THAT is better than what Bill Belichick has done in Nee England?

Those teams combined have won 1 SB to the Patriots 6 this millennium.
You have to be joking.

 

[Rob0729]

San Francisco with their current org have won nothing.
Miami hasn’t even won a playoff game.
Philly has won nothing.
You think THAT is better than what Bill Belichick has done in Nee England?

Those teams combined have won 1 SB to the Patriots 6 this millennium.
You have to be joking.

They all have won far more than the Patriots over the last four years. And in recent memory, it is far more than Belichick has won. It isn’t 2004 anymore.

 

[JR52]

Edit: Wrong thread.

 

[vicspats]

That actually brought a tear to my eye .. go git em Bill !!!!

 

[Ring 6]

They all have won far more than the Patriots over the last four years. And in recent memory, it is far more than Belichick has won. It isn’t 2004 anymore.

So your argument is the future of a franchise should consider a couple of years and ignore 20?
It’s still Bill Belichick.

 

[Rob0729]

So your argument is the future of a franchise should consider a couple of years and ignore 20?
It’s still Bill Belichick.

I don’t live in the past. I see what Belichick is doing now. Not what he did ten years ago. Belichick doesn’t seem to want to adapt to the new NFL.

The Commanders brought back Joe Gibbs who three rings and he was a disaster. Should they have stuck with him even though it was clear he couldn’t adapt to the changes in the NFL at that time?

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

So your argument is the future of a franchise should consider a couple of years and ignore 20?
It’s still Bill Belichick.

Just relax man. Bill is still the coach right now. You can still feel superior to everyone in the most Dunning Kruger way possible for another week. Maybe try meditating or exercising. You’re obviously very defensive right now since your years of foolish apologism has become indefensible.

 

[Ring 6]

Just relax man. Bill is still the coach right now. You can still feel superior to everyone in the most Dunning Kruger way possible for another week. Maybe try meditating or exercising. You’re obviously very defensive right now since your years of foolish apologism has become indefensible.

Yes my years of thinking the organization is being run by the greatest to ever do it need no defense, because the Lombardis end the discussion.

But of course people like you can only resort to personal insults. Sorry your life has tuned out that way.

 

[Wax Frog]

Saving this for later...

 

[Ring 6]

I don’t live in the past. I see what Belichick is doing now. Not what he did ten years ago. Belichick doesn’t seem to want to adapt to the new NFL.

The Commanders brought back Joe Gibbs who three rings and he was a disaster. Should they have stuck with him even though it was clear he couldn’t adapt to the changes in the NFL at that time?

He is the same guy. He didn’t lose his abilities, knowledge and experience.

Gibbs took a sinking franchise that had made the playoffs one on 11 years and made the playoffs twice in 4 years, including his final season.
Then they went on to not make the playoffs the next 4 and only twice in the next 12.
Of course they should have stuck with him. Gibbs is the last Washington coach to win a playoff game. Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Jim Zorn wasn’t the answer.

 

[Rob0729]

He is the same guy. He didn’t lose his abilities, knowledge and experience.

Gibbs took a sinking franchise that had made the playoffs one on 11 years and made the playoffs twice in 4 years, including his final season.
Then they went on to not make the playoffs the next 4 and only twice in the next 12.
Of course they should have stuck with him. Gibbs is the last Washington coach to win a playoff game. Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Jim Zorn wasn’t the answer.

That‘s the problem with Belichick. He is the same. The league has changed and he isn’t adapting. He is building a team like it is 2014 still. And he is an awful talent evaluator now.

And Gibbs had two seasons with losing records, one nine win season, and one ten win season. Not in that order. He wasn’t all that good. He had some real problem with the speed of the game and getting play calls in.

 

[slash83]

Great news!

 

[PATS16N0]

I don’t live in the past. I see what Belichick is doing now. Not what he did ten years ago. Belichick doesn’t seem to want to adapt to the new NFL.

The Commanders brought back Joe Gibbs who three rings and he was a disaster. Should they have stuck with him even though it was clear he couldn’t adapt to the changes in the NFL at that time?

“How are you definitively saying Bill Belichick ‘can’t adapt to the changes in the NFL’ and drawing Joe Gibbs comparisons like there’s some kind of real parallel?”

 

[Rob0729]

“How are you definitively saying Bill Belichick ‘can’t adapt to the changes in the NFL’ and drawing Joe Gibbs comparisons like there’s some kind of real parallel?”

I didn’t say he can’t adapt to the todays NFL. I saying he isn’t. I think it is by choice.

And Gibbs is a three time Super Bowl winner who had difficulty adapting to the changes in the NFL. I was responding to a post saying that Belichick has six rings as proof he is the best person to turn around this team. I was using Gibbs as evidencd that past success doesn’t guarantee future success by a head coach.

I guess I could have used Chuck Noll. He had four rings and in his last seven years he had four seasons with losing records, only made the playoffs once, and never had more than nine wins in a regular season.

 

[Ring 6]

That‘s the problem with Belichick. He is the same. The league has changed and he isn’t adapting. He is building a team like it is 2014 still. And he is an awful talent evaluator now.

And Gibbs had two seasons with losing records, one nine win season, and one ten win season. Not in that order. He wasn’t all that good. He had some real problem with the speed of the game and getting play calls in.

The league hasnt changed any more than normal and belichick has a long history of being ahead of the curve. He has totally revamped the defense. The offense has OL and QB problems not idea problems.

Gibbs coached the team to its only playoff win in the last 23 years. He had them heading in the right direction and made the playoffs in his final season. Had he stayed they would have continued to improve. They still haven’t improved 19 years later. That is what you get when you refuse to understand the best people have down periods in competitive sports with an even playing field that actually punished success. Bail on the right guy because of the short term and the long term suffers.

 

[StrawHatPatriot]

Everyone pro-Bill is going to intentionally downplay all the mistakes he's made recently and downplay the objective downward trajectory the Pats are on.

And they are going to paint any critics as being "entitled".

It's all so annoying.

2019: "Brady is old! Bill can win with anyone! We'llbe fine!" Then in 2020 we go 7-9 and it's "shut up, we lost half the team to covid opt outs"

We improve in 2021, but people are skeptical since we beat a bunch of injured teams. We get told to "shut up, a win is a win". Then we finish the year 1-4 and get historically blown out wild card weekend.

In 2022 we were told to not complain about the Patricia signing. Then told that Cole strange/Tyquan Thornton are fine picks. Then told that we were in the playoffs race.

Then into 2023 we were told we have lots of cap space. Then when we didn't use it, it's "shut up, DeAndre Hopkins is washed". Then in week 1 it's "we almost beat the Eagles". Now we are 1-5. And now "it's just 1 bad season".

You see the pattern here? This is why people want Bill gone. A few of us were skeptical since even the early 2010s. But overall, the promise of Bill being this mastermind that can turn it around and win his way has largely been proven to be untrue. Whether you think the game has passed Bill by, or you think he was overrated and Brady covered up his flaws, the fact of the matter is he's not going to turn this around, and we have proof of it.

At this point none of you pro-Bill people want to see the writing on the wall. I appreciate his defensive prowess snd gameplans in the past but it's time tor realize his philosophies won't really work going forward.

 

[StrawHatPatriot]

I didn’t say he can’t adapt to the todays NFL. I saying he isn’t. I think it is by choice.

And Gibbs is a three time Super Bowl winner who had difficulty adapting to the changes in the NFL. I was responding to a post saying that Belichick has six rings as proof he is the best person to turn around this team. I was using Gibbs as evidencd that past success doesn’t guarantee future success by a head coach.

I guess I could have used Chuck Noll. He had four rings and in his last seven years he had four seasons with losing records, only made the playoffs once, and never had more than nine wins in a regular season.

And hey, people don't claim that Chuck Noll and Joe Gibbs could have won those rings with any QB.

That's what people don't realize when they defend Bill. A lot of what people tried to portray as his biggest strengths are just false. At this point he's a defensive coordinator trying to win like it's 2003 all over again. Hard to do that in 2023. Esp. If you don't have Tom either.

 

[VectorPrime]

Everyone pro-Bill is going to intentionally downplay all the mistakes he's made recently and downplay the objective downward trajectory the Pats are on.

And they are going to paint any critics as being "entitled".

It's all so annoying.

2019: "Brady is old! Bill can win with anyone! We'llbe fine!" Then in 2020 we go 7-9 and it's "shut up, we lost half the team to covid opt outs"

We improve in 2021, but people are skeptical since we beat a bunch of injured teams. We get told to "shut up, a win is a win". Then we finish the year 1-4 and get historically blown out wild card weekend.

In 2022 we were told to not complain about the Patricia signing. Then told that Cole strange/Tyquan Thornton are fine picks. Then told that we were in the playoffs race.

Then into 2023 we were told we have lots of cap space. Then when we didn't use it, it's "shut up, DeAndre Hopkins is washed". Then in week 1 it's "we almost beat the Eagles". Now we are 1-5. And now "it's just 1 bad season".

You see the pattern here? This is why people want Bill gone. A few of us were skeptical since even the early 2010s. But overall, the promise of Bill being this mastermind that can turn it around and win his way has largely been proven to be untrue. Whether you think the game has passed Bill by, or you think he was overrated and Brady covered up his flaws, the fact of the matter is he's not going to turn this around, and we have proof of it.

At this point none of you pro-Bill people want to see the writing on the wall. I appreciate his defensive prowess snd gameplans in the past but it's time tor realize his philosophies won't really work going forward.

Looking at how today’s game is going I can’t wait for the torrent of insufferable bullsh.it to praise Belichick if this team can manage to crawl to 6-11. “Only Belichick could coach this roster to 6 wins!” Stuff like that.