Pats signing Cunningham to a 3 year deal!!!!

[Toofy]

Are you serious or trolling us ?

I just think you forgot the tense .. it should be in past... Belichick WAS the best....

Belichick is the best that has ever done it. This is true whether it is at the time if his highest high, or his lowest low. To feel entitled that you deserve perfection in a role where it is impossible doesn’t work for me.
Belichick staying for as long as we wishes is what is best in the long run for this organization. Everything he can contribute up until he chooses to leave benefits the organization. Now may be the most important time for him to be here to keep the organization centered and focused in the right direction.
Rebuilding after going to 4 SBs in 5 years and winning 3 of them is uncharted territory. To assume the first run at a rebuild falling short equals incompetence is ignorant of the reality of the NFL.

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[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I just am not like the Fellowship of the Miserable who have taken over the board, and do not feel a need to get angry and throw blame around. Belichick is the best that has ever done it. This is true whether it is at the time if his highest high, or his lowest low. To feel entitled that you deserve perfection in a role where it is impossible doesn’t work for me.
Belichick staying for as long as we wishes is what is best in the long run for this organization. Everything he can contribute up until he chooses to leave benefits the organization. Now may be the most important time for him to be here to keep the organization centered and focused in the right direction.
Rebuilding after going to 4 SBs in 5 years and winning 3 of them is uncharted territory. To assume the first run at a rebuild falling short equals incompetence is ignorant of the reality of the NFL.

This formatting is going to cause seizures, but it’s at least superior to the content.

 

[Ring 6]

And I don't want Bill (or Al Groh's kid either) to shop for the groceries any more.

Congratulations, you have an opinion

 

[Ring 6]

4 Super Bowl championships

Yeah he was one of the best ever, probably #2.

 

[Ring 6]

Are you serious or trolling us ?

I just think you forgot the tense .. it should be in past... Belichick WAS the best....


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He is the same guy.

 

[Ring 6]

This formatting is going to cause seizures, but it’s at least superior to the content.

GFY

 

[catent]

The draft rotation is four years, five (for 1st-rounders) at most.
With the 2014-18 run, the Pats were taking shots with terrible draft capital, because, frankly, few rookies were even going to make the team. The Bill is bad at drafting take is overrated.

What BB is terrible at is in recognizing that the players coming out of college now are very different. Colleges are playing pro-style...these guys are ready to go. Most will make mistakes, many of them, but the only way to get those mistakes out of them is to have them do it IN LIVE PLAY.

Boutte doesn't drag his foot, so he sits for weeks...he was getting open, which seems to be antithetical to the Patriots' offensive strategy of late, but whatever. The kid should be out there getting targeted a lot.

I'm really tired of seeing players suddenly stepping forward in their 3rdyears - Uche and now Jennings come to mind - after sitting behind mediocre vets...and now you have to pay them and guess whether it was flash in in the pan, or if they're really getting there.
The Patriots drafting philosophy for years was (rightly so, and they have the rings to prove it) to find diamonds in the rough, or grab players that actually have a certain skill set that will get them on the field in certain situations, even if their overall ceiling isn't great.

That all had to change when the dynasty ended. now they need juice. They've done that defensively, repeatedly, but they're still shopping for comfort food on offense. Mac ain't Tom.

This is a fantastic post.

 

[borg]

The draft rotation is four years, five (for 1st-rounders) at most.
With the 2014-18 run, the Pats were taking shots with terrible draft capital, because, frankly, few rookies were even going to make the team. The Bill is bad at drafting take is overrated.

On the offensive side of the ball, the starting WRs arrived from other rosters, the starting TEs arrived from other rosters, the O Line currently has one home grown youngish G who is usually above average (not referring to Strange) and a wildly over drafted G who has been inconsistent (at best). Rham is quality. The drafted QB room is the worst in the NFL.
Two hits, one is a "fingers crossed". That's it!
And while some will argue NE has some nice young WRs in its stable, none make impacts; two are proving to be brittle.
Bill's swings and misses on this side of the ball are Ruthian.

What BB is terrible at is in recognizing that the players coming out of college now are very different. Colleges are playing pro-style...these guys are ready to go. Most will make mistakes, many of them, but the only way to get those mistakes out of them is to have them do it IN LIVE PLAY.

Sadly, none of Bill's 2023 OL draft picks have been "ready to go" which is my biggest surprise given the team's ability to plug in young guards over the years. One has to wonder if the virus that incapacitates Bill's processing abilities with regards to draft eligible college WRs & TEs has now spread to his OL lobal zones.

Maybe Bill should have interviewed more than 1 OL coach.
Maybe Bill should consider stepping out of his comfort zone when it comes to staffing in general.
Smallest staff in the league (More $$$ for Bill ?), comprised of relatives, bobos, and sacred cow 'former players' that happen to be in charge of the two worst groupings on the roster: WR & OL.
(Yeah.......ST is garbage too)

Regarding the entire "O" operation..................

 

[50-yard-line]

But that didn't happen. What did happen was Brady singlehandedly turning around a team and HC who had a poor start to his career in NE at 5-13 and turned his team into a dynasty and the coach into a first ballot HOFer lock.

Ask this guy he'll tell you.

That doesn't say what you think it says.

And "single-handedly"...yeah, sure, Brady willed Ty Law to be invisible to Peyton...and he called upon the wind gods to hoist the snow kick, after Jedi mind-tricking the refs into rereading the Tuck Rule in their minds.


He pushed Trey Flowers upfield to sack Matt Ryan, and Willie to strip the guy nekkid, and that after holding the ball off the ground with the Force just long enough for Edelman to clasp his hands about it.


Malcom Butler was nothin' without Brady running interference on the WR trying to block him after he coached BB to not call the time out and entice Carroll to go for 2 shots instead of one.


And without Brady centering the line and running full speed to the back of the end zone to break up the TD, the Rams would've run up fifty points, without doubt.

This nonsense is truly destroying the entire fanbase. The Pats won 6 SBs...could've been 9...could've been 2 or 3 (guy lines up in the neutral zone in a critical moment of the AFCCG, really?

And as for BB's record without Brady: football success is cyclical. When and Coach/GM takes over a crappy team, it takes years to get them on the right side of .500 - less now because of rampant FA and better prepared rookies, but still. BB was turning Cleveland around until the field was pulled out from under them.

The one time he had an SB ready team without Brady was 2008, and they finished 11-5, which isn't crap, and should have been in the playoffs except for some rather unfair tie-breaker rules. Every year other than that, he's been assembling from a low starting point.

He was very lucky to hit on Brady. And Brady was lucky to land in New England. Suppose Indy had drafted him - would he ever have played other than to take a knee or hold for FGs? Suppose a crap organization without BB or Charlie or a top defense had taken him?
Team game. Less so now in fantasy land, but certainly through most of the dynasty run. Team game. Talking the way you did here insults the many great players who made it happen year-after-year, the coaches who schemed it, and the attitude that filled that locker room. I'm not going to diminish Brady's role in that - Kraft should NEVER have let him walk. He should NEVER have worn a jersey other than a Patriots' jersey, from the organization and fan bases point of view. But going to Tampa and that loaded roster and bringing in the groceries with him cemented his place all-time.

 

[sb1]

And "single-handedly"...yeah, sure, Brady willed Ty Law to be invisible to Peyton...and he called upon the wind gods to hoist the snow kick, after Jedi mind-tricking the refs into rereading the Tuck Rule in their minds.

The team with mostly that same talent on defense was 5-13 under BB until the QB change. 14-3 and the championship after the change. Is there another way to describe that besides "singlehandedly turning around the team"? Cause it looks like it to me.

Bill himself said he would not be as successful without Brady. Neither would any great HC without their hall of fame all universe QB. So what's the controversy?

My point was talking about what-ifs like "if Brady was drafted by (some bad team) he wouldn't be GOAT" is worthless since there's no way to prove that either way.

And as for BB's record without Brady: football success is cyclical. When and Coach/GM takes over a crappy team, it takes years to get them on the right side of .500 - less now because of rampant FA and better prepared rookies, but still. BB was turning Cleveland around until the field was pulled out from under them.

Great players > great coach. Saw it in 95 when Barry Switzer somehow won a Super Bowl thanks to Troy Aikman and his team. Saw it in 09 when Peyton Manning took Jim Caldwell a career .300 coach in college to a Super Bowl.

The one time he had an SB ready team without Brady was 2008, and they finished 11-5, which isn't crap, and should have been in the playoffs except for some rather unfair tie-breaker rules. Every year other than that, he's been assembling from a low starting point.

Well they were 16-0 the year before so that's a loss of 5 games which is about right when you lose your all universe QB for a decent backup. That's the same number of games lost as going from 11-5 to 6-10. A 5 game loss doesn't sound as impressive that way. But yeah at least they didn't crater.

He was very lucky to hit on Brady. And Brady was lucky to land in New England. Suppose Indy had drafted him - would he ever have played other than to take a knee or hold for FGs? Suppose a crap organization without BB or Charlie or a top defense had taken him?

Again with the "what-ifs"... we only can prove what happened...a perfect partnership between HC and QB which wouldn't have existed elsewhere.

Team game. Less so now in fantasy land, but certainly through most of the dynasty run. Team game. Talking the way you did here insults the many great players who made it happen year-after-year, the coaches who schemed it, and the attitude that filled that locker room. I'm not going to diminish Brady's role in that - Kraft should NEVER have let him walk. He should NEVER have worn a jersey other than a Patriots' jersey, from the organization and fan bases point of view. But going to Tampa and that loaded roster and bringing in the groceries with him cemented his place all-time.

You're attributing to me something I never said... I didn't say the dynasty was 100% Brady and Belichick and the rest of the team was just along for the ride. I always said it was a perfect partnership of coach and QB. With that said Bill said himself he wouldn't have been as successful without Tom and there's good reason to believe he is correct. Tom has said he was lucky to have Bill as his coach. But give me the all time great player over the all time great coach every day. We have an all time great coach right now and the season has already gone sideways.

Completely agree with the last part. It was tragic that it happened but I never had a doubt the GOAT would take advantage.

 

[50-yard-line]

The team with mostly that same talent on defense was 5-13 under BB until the QB change. 14-3 and the championship after the change. Is there another way to describe that besides "singlehandedly turning around the team"? Cause it looks like it to me.

Bill himself said he would not be as successful without Brady. Neither would any great HC without their hall of fame all universe QB. So what's the controversy?

My point was talking about what-ifs like "if Brady was drafted by (some bad team) he wouldn't be GOAT" is worthless since there's no way to prove that either way.

Brady was a huge piece of not turning it over in those early years, of course. But do tell me how they beat a mighty Steelers team int eh AFCCG without him?

Great playerSSSSSSSSSS > great coach. Saw it in 95 when Barry Switzer somehow won a Super Bowl thanks to Troy Aikman and his team. Saw it in 09 when Peyton Manning took Jim Caldwell a career .300 coach in college to a Super Bowl.

Plural, yes. Football, more than any of the other big 4 is about team, particularly since the starters play half the game. The QB is critical, absolutely, more now than ever because of fantasy, gambling, and the NFL's Hollywood style. Not player...players.

Well they were 16-0 the year before so that's a loss of 5 games which is about right when you lose your all universe QB for a decent backup. That's the same number of games lost as going from 11-5 to 6-10. A 5 game loss doesn't sound as impressive that way. But yeah at least they didn't crater.


Again with the "what-ifs"... we only can prove what happened...a perfect partnership between HC and QB which wouldn't have existed elsewhere.

Sports is massively a "what if." You can't get around that. Like in '04 when the Sox were down 0-3 to the Yanks and everyone was complaining, then they win 4 straight and suddenly the Boston media was saying that they had built a team to beat the Yanks. Lol. Never mind 3 inches separated Roberts from OUT, if that, and just a foot or two to either side means the game-tying single is an LD OUT. Game, set, match.
That's sports. It's that razor close. What if's are a huge part of it, and for Brady, for example, you tell me what would have happened if he had gone to the Colts behind Manning in the 5th round.

You're attributing to me something I never said... I didn't say the dynasty was 100% Brady and Belichick and the rest of the team was just along for the ride. I always said it was a perfect partnership of coach and QB. With that said Bill said himself he wouldn't have been as successful without Tom and there's good reason to believe he is correct. Tom has said he was lucky to have Bill as his coach. But give me the all time great player over the all time great coach every day. We have an all time great coach right now and the season has already gone sideways.

Single-handedly implies exactly that. There's no doubt Brady was a big improvement. How'd they ever beat the Steelers in the AFCCG, after all?

Completely agree with the last part. It was tragic that it happened but I never had a doubt the GOAT would take advantage.