Mac Not Happy With the Groceries

[Wozzy]

The point was 188 yards passing and 1 TD against a team that was given SIX 4th down stops by the defense is meh. Nothing more, nothing less. Better QB's would have lit them up, worse QBs would have done worse.

Go look at some of Brady’s passing yard totals from 2001 and come back here once you’ve learned something. Tom threw one TD in the entire 3 game 2001 postseason. His coaches were handling him with kid gloves the same way.

Zappe’s Patriot team beat the Lions 29-0, he played about as flawlessly as one could hope for… but you needed some more passing yards? Again… your agenda is showing.

Great and the result is a crap preseason and he can't complete passes this regular season. Is that really an upgrade over Mac Jones. Yeah I don't think so.

Yeah LaSt YeAR is all the Zappeites have I guess. That's not a flex. Implying Zappe is better than Herbert, Tua, Allen Burrow and Lamar... now that's funny. I'm more interested in this year and he's been trash and was cut once already and will be again shortly. I have zero interest in seeing him get another chance, been there done that. Let's see if there's a real upgrade to Mac out there for this season cause he ain't one.

Just amazes me how many excuses his fans make for him when they don't give the same benefit of the doubt to anyone else. When he gets reps with the starters and stinks up the field then lemme guess... he needs a full camp with the starters then he'll be great just watch you'll see! Lolol.

He isn't a good QB at the NFL level and like it was with Stidham I don't see any point to playing a guy who has no future with the team. I don't think he should have been picked in the 4th round in the draft either.

You would be incorrect and comparing lower levels of organized sports to pro sports is apples/oranges. Unless you're on the field with them can't assume that the offense is ready to go home and their mind is off the game. Even if they were I don't think that should stop Zappe from being able to complete a pass against a defense who called off the dogs.

This ^ is just a lot of blather I skimmed over and mostly ignored. You hate Zappe for some reason, and I don’t particularly care why.

I said BB should start Zappe or Grier, I don’t care who because I don’t get emotionally invested in players. I rate them as rookie prospects, then they need to prove it to me when given a real opportunity.

I’m not making a prediction how Zappe or Grier will perform as a starter, I just know Mac sucks and these other guys had some tools to work with leaving college. Mac squandered his chance, these other guys haven’t been given a real shot and hopefully will.

You ignoring the results of two full starts and focusing on a few minutes in a blowout loss shows you have an agenda and will keep talking without providing any actual substance.

Go about your day, I don’t have the time or energy for your Patriot-hating, self loathing, trolling garbage.

 

[203Pat]

It's so hard to keep track of which posters blames which player/coach for us sucking. I don't know why people think things need to be mutually exclusive. Mac has sucked, the offensive line has sucked, the receivers have sucked, the running backs have sucked, the play calling has sucked, the roster construction has sucked, and Bill has sucked. All those things can be true.

 

[sb1]

Go look at some of Brady’s passing yard totals from 2001 and come back here once you’ve learned something. Tom threw one TD in the entire 3 game 2001 postseason. His coaches were handling him with kid gloves the same way.

Brady 2001 edition would have still blown the doors off those Lions. No question about it.

Zappe’s Patriot team beat the Lions 29-0, he played about as flawlessly as one could hope for… but you needed some more passing yards? Again… your agenda is showing.

A stat line with an INT is "flawless"? Uh no. And is there a reason to think Mac wouldn't have bettered 188 yards and 1 TD 1 INT when handed 6 fourth down stops? Or not at least duplicated Zappe's Browns game? There's no reason at all to think so. So why is Zappe an upgrade over Jones again?

This ^ is just a lot of blather I skimmed over and mostly ignored. You hate Zappe for some reason, and I don’t particularly care why.

Saying I have no interest in watching a terrible QB with no future on the team start for my team is hating. Lol ok.

I said BB should start Zappe or Grier, I don’t care who because I don’t get emotionally invested in players. I rate them as rookie prospects, then they need to prove it to me when given a real opportunity.

And I said we know who Zappe is so I don't want to see him. Grier? Sure.

I’m not making a prediction how Zappe or Grier will perform as a starter, I just know Mac sucks and these other guys had some tools to work with leaving college. Mac squandered his chance, these other guys haven’t been given a real shot and hopefully will.

Only Zappeites think Zappe hasn't has a chance. Excuse after excuse after excuse and the goalposts will be moved again when he stinks it up again. We already know he's not an upgrade over Mac Jones at all, no need to go down that road any more.

You ignoring the results of two full starts and focusing on a few minutes in a blowout loss shows you have an agenda and will keep talking without providing any actual substance.

Go about your day, I don’t have the time or energy for your Patriot-hating or self loathing garbage.

I don't think Zappe is good so I'm "Patriot hating" and "self loathing". Lol ok.

 

[mike_usagisan]

It's so hard to keep track of which posters blames which player/coach for us sucking. I don't know why people think things need to be mutually exclusive. Mac has sucked, the offensive line has sucked, the receivers have sucked, the running backs have sucked, the play calling has sucked, the roster construction has sucked, and Bill has sucked. All those things can be true.

Ha! We should make signatures that are coded by who we blame!

Truthfully, I think you're correct that there are many problems, it's just where do you start fixing them mid-season?
--You can't do much about the Oline and injuries. That's another case of duck tape.
--Maybe swapping out Mac for Zappe, Malik or Will Grier could be something to try.
--The receivers are who they are, but maybe they show some life with Boutte and Thornton in there.
--Coaching could be a problem, but who, and what good would replacing them midseason do.

The truth is, it's mostly just something to talk about as most of these can't be fixed until the offseason.

 

[Keyser Söze]

He had a meh camp playing in preseason with the dregs of the roster. He didn't turn the ball over in those preseason games, he ran a clean operation. He never played with the starters.

He was great in last year's starts for a rookie starter with a sub-optimal coordinator. His rating and win record reflects that.

The last two games were beyond over when Zappe came in and threw a few passes, it's absurd to compare the two.

Last year he practiced as the starter in the week leading up to the game, was part of the game-plan, practiced with the starters, took reps using plays they were going to employ versus the defense they were playing that week. In the last two weeks he took backup reps and was not involved much at all. Apples/oranges.

I'm not saying he'll be amazing, but he can look a lot better than he did in garbage time of a blowout. There's also an element of a reenergized team around him, if his teammates lost faith in Mac... they may rally around the new guy knowing there is at least a chance to win.

Zappe faced two of the worst defenses in the NFL last season. He certainly came back down to Earth when he was garbage against Chicago. Soon as he's asked to run an actual NFL offense, he's cut because he was so inept.

 

[1960Pats]

????

Who did the Patriots let go?

Than every player in my post?

You're saying the Patriots let go better players than tee Higgins, Tyreek Hill and Matthew Stafford?

Yes I want to think you're joking but this is the internet so there's a possibility that you're serious.

You're the one who must be joking if you don't think Bill has been letting players go.

The list of players that Bill has let go over a few dollars just in the last few years is pretty long, including but not limited to Brady, Gronk, Thuney and Gilmore. If I looked closely, especially in the last few years, I'd probably find more.

And lack of talent is actually why the Pats are now the 30th ranked team out of 32. Oh, the other nonsensical responses I see here are that Bill never lets players go who have success elsewhere after they leave. Now THAT's funny but it wasn't meant as a joke.

Watching some Pats fans twist themselves in circles trying to defend the indefensible is startling.

 

[upstater1]

You're the one who must be joking if you don't think Bill has been letting players go.

The list of players that Bill has let go over a few dollars just in the last few years is pretty long, including but not limited to Brady, Gronk, Thuney and Gilmore. If I looked closely, especially in the last few years, I'd probably find more.

And lack of talent is actually why the Pats are now the 30th ranked team out of 32. Oh, the other nonsensical responses I see here are that Bill never lets players go who have success elsewhere after they leave. Now THAT's funny but it wasn't meant as a joke.

Watching some Pats fans twist themselves in circles trying to defend the indefensible is startling.

You wrote "better players"!!!

Holy maroney.

Every team lets players go.

But we didn't let players the caliber of Tyreek Hill or Tee Higgins go!!!

 

[1960Pats]

What about Matt Cassell? 3-1 with Jacoby Brisset and a gimpy Jimmy G.

What about 5-13 with Bledsoe?

 

[1960Pats]

This right here. Bill could've easily paid Meyers and Hopkins. Those were reasonable deals.

He just whiffed or didn't want guys unless they came on his terms.

You obviously can't pay everyone. So a team like the chiefs with mahomes has to make tough decisions. Bill has a QB on a rookie deal and the most capspace in the league again in 2024.

And not a single player even worth extending.

But we do have the best paid ST gunner and long snapper, so Bill really can be looked at like this...

 

[1960Pats]

I thought we were dead last in offense. Even with the panthers at 0-5 I have more belief they'll win a game before we win another. Another forgotten note on the BB Roster decisions.. big kick nick was traded and he's been money in Tennessee.

Yeah but Bill got something back for him, didn't he?

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Would Mac get us a comp 3 if we let him walk and he’s signed somewhere else? Obviously assuming we’re entitled to comp picks…

That would be a comp 3 in 2026. (Players who walk this year would result in comp picks in 2025.)

 

[Wozzy]

Brady 2001 edition would have still blown the doors off those Lions. No question about it.

A stat line with an INT is "flawless"? Uh no. And is there a reason to think Mac wouldn't have bettered 188 yards and 1 TD 1 INT when handed 6 fourth down stops? Or not at least duplicated Zappe's Browns game? There's no reason at all to think so. So why is Zappe an upgrade over Jones again?

Saying I have no interest in watching a terrible QB with no future on the team start for my team is hating. Lol ok.

And I said we know who Zappe is so I don't want to see him. Grier? Sure.

Only Zappeites think Zappe hasn't has a chance. Excuse after excuse after excuse and the goalposts will be moved again when he stinks it up again. We already know he's not an upgrade over Mac Jones at all, no need to go down that road any more.

I don't think Zappe is good so I'm "Patriot hating" and "self loathing". Lol ok.

You’re a troll, always been a troll. And every time I try talking to you anew, I’m reminded you’re just a troll.

 

[upstater1]

What about 5-13 with Bledsoe?

How is that relevant to the point of this discussion?

Bledsoe was a veteran.

The topic being discussed is whether we have brought along a young QB before other than the obvious one.

 

[Wozzy]

Zappe faced two of the worst defenses in the NFL last season. He certainly came back down to Earth when he was garbage against Chicago. Soon as he's asked to run an actual NFL offense, he's cut because he was so inept.

He is undefeated as a starter and posted a 100+ QB Rating. It doesn’t matter who he played, unless he looked terrible… he didn’t. He didn’t make the schedule.

He came into the rainy Bears game and engineered the only TD’s scored that day after Mac did nothing. Then the entire team collapsed.

 

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[PATS16N0]

2022 Zach Wilson moment.

 

[sb1]

2022 Zach Wilson moment.

That came directly from Wilson so there was no doubt he said it.

Who knows if Mac said it. I would hope he didn't. I don't think he's long for the team if he did.

 

[BTTA]

That came directly from Wilson so there was no doubt he said it.

Who knows if Mac said it. I would hope he didn't. I don't think he's long for the team if he did.

Jones isn't being quoted in the original article, so he couldn't have said "it."

 

[203Pat]

Ha! We should make signatures that are coded by who we blame!

Truthfully, I think you're correct that there are many problems, it's just where do you start fixing them mid-season?
--You can't do much about the Oline and injuries. That's another case of duck tape.
--Maybe swapping out Mac for Zappe, Malik or Will Grier could be something to try.
--The receivers are who they are, but maybe they show some life with Boutte and Thornton in there.
--Coaching could be a problem, but who, and what good would replacing them midseason do.

The truth is, it's mostly just something to talk about as most of these can't be fixed until the offseason.

I agree and I wonder if that was part of that t-shirt messaging about how no one is coming to save them. I think it's hard to evaluate a lot of the other issues on offense without fixing the o-line and unless they think La'el Collins, who is a free agent, can help. Otherwise I think they would need to give up a draft pick to get a starting caliber RT and at this point in the season I don't know if that's wise considering how much we will need those picks to fix things in the future. Even fixing RT wouldn't completely solve the issue as at various times pretty much every position on the line has been bad.

At some point another QB will get a start if things keep going the way they are. They cannot trot Mac out there all year and keep getting diminishing returns. I am almost certain Zappe, Malik, and Greir aren't the answer but at least you can get an idea if you have a true #2 behind the next guy.

As for the receivers I want to see less Juju and Parker and more Douglas, Boutte, and Thornton when he comes back. Douglas has shown flashes but Boutte has been a healthy scratch since Parker came back week 2. I just don't understand the fascination Bill or Billy O have with DaVante Parker. He isn't even a 50/50 ball guy he is basically a 20/80 ball guy in the wrong direction. I would rather see young guys with potential upside than overpaid plodding veterans with little to offer.

I agree on coaching as well. They are what they are right now. No real point in shaking anything up there in season but as far as the offseason goes I am ready to start fresh. Pay up for Ben Johnson, or even Ken Dorsey or Eric Beienemy if Johnson doesn't work out. Bring in an offensive minded coach who has seen what works for an offense in 2023 and forward. I really like Mayo but I would rather not have a guy connected to Bill be the next guy and I would really rather have an offensive minded coach. Bill's underlings have failed far too many times elsewhere outside of Bill's shadow and being his direct successor adds more pressure to the situation. No matter what happens being the next guy in to follow up a legend is no easy task but a clean slate is the way to go in my eyes.

 

[mike_usagisan]

I agree and I wonder if that was part of that t-shirt messaging about how no one is coming to save them. I think it's hard to evaluate a lot of the other issues on offense without fixing the o-line and unless they think La'el Collins, who is a free agent, can help. Otherwise I think they would need to give up a draft pick to get a starting caliber RT and at this point in the season I don't know if that's wise considering how much we will need those picks to fix things in the future. Even fixing RT wouldn't completely solve the issue as at various times pretty much every position on the line has been bad.

At some point another QB will get a start if things keep going the way they are. They cannot trot Mac out there all year and keep getting diminishing returns. I am almost certain Zappe, Malik, and Greir aren't the answer but at least you can get an idea if you have a true #2 behind the next guy.

As for the receivers I want to see less Juju and Parker and more Douglas, Boutte, and Thornton when he comes back. Douglas has shown flashes but Boutte has been a healthy scratch since Parker came back week 2. I just don't understand the fascination Bill or Billy O have with DaVante Parker. He isn't even a 50/50 ball guy he is basically a 20/80 ball guy in the wrong direction. I would rather see young guys with potential upside than overpaid plodding veterans with little to offer.

I agree on coaching as well. They are what they are right now. No real point in shaking anything up there in season but as far as the offseason goes I am ready to start fresh. Pay up for Ben Johnson, or even Ken Dorsey or Eric Beienemy if Johnson doesn't work out. Bring in an offensive minded coach who has seen what works for an offense in 2023 and forward. I really like Mayo but I would rather not have a guy connected to Bill be the next guy and I would really rather have an offensive minded coach. Bill's underlings have failed far too many times elsewhere outside of Bill's shadow and being his direct successor adds more pressure to the situation. No matter what happens being the next guy in to follow up a legend is no easy task but a clean slate is the way to go in my eyes.

Yeah, it really feels like the Oline is the thing they need to try to fix now, but how?

Andrews seems ok at center. But our guards are injured, so we're playing a draft pick on one side and a converted nearly-retired tackle on the other. We're playing Brown, who might be ok, at LT, except when he isn't. And a late-round trade in Lowe at RT. If they don't see Collins as an answer, I'm not sure who they're going to get in trade without having to massively overpay in draft picks for a guy that probably isn't good enough if a team is willing to move him.

This line wasn't built to deal with injuries, as we saw in preseason. And nothing is going to function until it does. And that's not excusing all the other problems. It's just that one has to be handled mid-season.