Mac Not Happy With the Groceries

[archstanton543]

Being sold a lemon implies an expectation of high quality. 31 teams passed on JJSS because they were well aware of his injury history and limitations. It’s just another example of Contrarian Bill in his quest to go against the grain, consequences be damned.

I think with BB it's more like he admires a player in their prime with another team and once they become available, more often than not after their prime, he goes and gets them. That explains the Juju, Reif and Gesucky signings.

 

[p8ryts]

source was Ty Law's cousin

Asante Samuel

 

[PatsFan2]

Being sold a lemon implies an expectation of high quality. 31 teams passed on JJSS because they were well aware of his injury history and limitations. It’s just another example of Contrarian Bill in his quest to go against the grain, consequences be damned.

Drafting Harry over A.J. Brown - Boney T over the stout George Pickens plus passing on Lamar Jackson just to name a few.

 

[sb1]

Drafting Harry over A.J. Brown - Boney T over the stout George Pickens plus passing on Lamar Jackson just to name a few.

Heh ”Boney T”… nice

 

[PatsFan2]

Heh ”Boney T”… nice

Got it from captain.

 

[Rob0729]

Drafting Harry over A.J. Brown - Boney T over the stout George Pickens plus passing on Lamar Jackson just to name a few.

Don't blame them for not drafting AJ Brown. He had some major red flags and a lot of teams passed on him. You can blame them for drafting Harry over Deebo Samuel though. That should have been the pick and Deebo thought he was being drafted by the Patriots.

 

[203Pat]

My issue with Mac is the same as it's always been. He doesn't have the physical tools to elevate the guys around him. He was supposed to be able to make up for his physical shortcomings by being the cerebral, fundamentally sound, higher end "game manager" type but he is none of those things right now. Honestly Mac looks like a broken QB and it isn't a surprise. What happened to him here is what at teams like the Bills and Jets did for two decades. Bad coaching, multiple offensive coordinators, locker room tension, benching and then starting again, poor protection, subpar supporting cast. The list goes on and on and we are now the ones with a broken first round QB.

 

[203Pat]

Don't blame them for not drafting AJ Brown. He had some major red flags and a lot of teams passed on him. You can blame them for drafting Harry over Deebo Samuel though. That should have been the pick and Deebo thought he was being drafted by the Patriots.

What were AJ Brown's red flags?

 

[lancerman]

Mac couldn't hit any of those Elite 49ers Receivers consistently he'd send them all to IR then out of the league with his hospital balls. Mac is not a NFL QB.

You keep saying stuff like this, but Purdy's receivers actually get wide open and he has more than half a second on the line. Purdy would go back to being Mr. Irrelevant here.

Let's just calll a spade a spade. None of our WR's here would beat out Deebo or Aiyuk to get one of the top two WR slots. Not a single one is even in their league. Kittle is in a different stratosphere from any of our TE's. And then McAffrey is more productive purely as a rusher than both of our running back combined... AND he'd probably beat out most of our WR's for the WR3 slot on the 49'ers if they competed for it.

It's not worth making the comparison. Mac throws hospital balls because the WR's here suck a big one and can't get open and the options are take a sack or hope they make a play. And you'd cry if he took the sack, I've seen you do that many times when no WR's were open.

Purdy is good because his team set him up for success. Mac is going to be a bust because the Patriots failed him the same way most bottomfeeder teams fail to develop and surround their QB. This is team failure, not a "the QB is holding us back" failure.

 

[PatsFan2]

Don't blame them for not drafting AJ Brown. He had some major red flags and a lot of teams passed on him. You can blame them for drafting Harry over Deebo Samuel though. That should have been the pick and Deebo thought he was being drafted by the Patriots.

BB checkers vs Chess. They are so many Rookies from the 23 DRAFT who are better than our current rethread WR Starters.

 

[lancerman]

If they realized that Zappe sucks and were willing to cut him it is another indictment that they didn’t go for a veteran backup in case Mac shat the bed. Yet another **** up.

They put Zappe on the waiver wire and let every team in the league have a shot at claiming him and then signed him to the practice squad. There's not much more of an indication of how valued he is than that. You think the Pats would have done that with Jimmy?

 

[PatsFan2]

You keep saying stuff like this, but Purdy's receivers actually get wide open and he has more than half a second on the line. Purdy would go back to being Mr. Irrelevant here.

Let's just calll a spade a spade. None of our WR's here would beat out Deebo or Aiyuk to get one of the top two WR slots. Not a single one is even in their league. Kittle is in a different stratosphere from any of our TE's. And then McAffrey is more productive purely as a rusher than both of our running back combined... AND he'd probably beat out most of our WR's for the WR3 slot on the 49'ers if they competed for it.

It's not worth making the comparison. Mac throws hospital balls because the WR's here suck a big one and can't get open and the options are take a sack or hope they make a play. And you'd cry if he took the sack, I've seen you do that many times when no WR's were open.

Purdy is good because his team set him up for success. Mac is going to be a bust because the Patriots failed him the same way most bottomfeeder teams fail to develop and surround their QB. This is team failure, not a "the QB is holding us back" failure.

Go back watch the First game against the Eagles. Bourne beat his defender yet the ball took an eternity to get there should have been a walk in TD. But that's Helium Ball Mac for you he is who he is a CanadianFL guy masquerading as a NFL QB.

 

[Rob0729]

What were AJ Brown's red flags?

I thought there were medical red flags. I do know the Eagles took him off their board because of red flag issues with his medical history. Not sure what. That came up when they traded for him. Maybe I assumed it was more of a thing.

 

[RodThePat]

My issue with Mac is the same as it's always been. He doesn't have the physical tools to elevate the guys around him. He was supposed to be able to make up for his physical shortcomings by being the cerebral, fundamentally sound, higher end "game manager" type but he is none of those things right now. Honestly Mac looks like a broken QB and it isn't a surprise. What happened to him here is what at teams like the Bills and Jets did for two decades. Bad coaching, multiple offensive coordinators, locker room tension, benching and then starting again, poor protection, subpar supporting cast. The list goes on and on and we are now the ones with a broken first round QB.

That's the thing for me, he's failing with his mind. The physical tools are a given, we knew from the jump he'd need to be a fundamentally sound technician with high aptitude for the game and consistent process to become a high level starter in this league and to me he's none of those things. I haven't been impressed with his processing speed from year 1, but it never got better. He's not a quick reactor to movement, he doesn't reset quickly when going from one read to the next, he's a QB that only gets going if his pre snap diagnosis goes according to plan. And while I think he's a high level diagnoser and understands defenses, if you can't execute in a timely fashion in reaction to movement, you can't play QB in this league. It's why Brett Favre could win MVP without knowing what a nickel defense was, a lot of that position is just reaction time and coordination, you have to pair that together with your schematic understanding in real time. Mac doesn't have that, to me. And he needs it because he can't afford to be late with his physical traits. Right now he's playing mentally and mechanically in a way that only superlative physical traits would bail him out.

 

[203Pat]

I thought there were medical red flags. I do know the Eagles took him off their board because of red flag issues with his medical history. Not sure what. That came up when they traded for him. Maybe I assumed it was more of a thing.

I think you might be confusing Brown with DK Metcalf. Metcalf had some major red flags with a neck injury in college that some thought would end his career.

 

[203Pat]

That's the thing for me, he's failing with his mind. The physical tools are a given, we knew from the jump he'd need to be a fundamentally sound technician with high aptitude for the game and consistent process to become a high level starter in this league and to me he's none of those things. I haven't been impressed with his processing speed from year 1, but it never got better. He's not a quick reactor to movement, he doesn't reset quickly when going from one read to the next, he's a QB that only gets going if his pre snap diagnosis goes according to plan. And while I think he's a high level diagnoser and understands defenses, if you can't execute in a timely fashion in reaction to movement, you can't play QB in this league. It's why Brett Favre could win MVP without knowing what a nickel defense was, a lot of that position is just reaction time and coordination, you have to pair that together with your schematic understanding in real time. Mac doesn't have that, to me. And he needs it because he can't afford to be late with his physical traits. Right now he's playing mentally and mechanically in a way that only superlative physical traits would bail him out.

I've said it on here before, if everything around Mac is perfect he is a good QB. If the pocket is clean and he can step up and be on platform he is fine. The main issue is that rarely happens in the NFL on a consistent basis.

 

[Rob0729]

My issue with Mac is the same as it's always been. He doesn't have the physical tools to elevate the guys around him. He was supposed to be able to make up for his physical shortcomings by being the cerebral, fundamentally sound, higher end "game manager" type but he is none of those things right now. Honestly Mac looks like a broken QB and it isn't a surprise. What happened to him here is what at teams like the Bills and Jets did for two decades. Bad coaching, multiple offensive coordinators, locker room tension, benching and then starting again, poor protection, subpar supporting cast. The list goes on and on and we are now the ones with a broken first round QB.

Nick Saban said that the one thing Mac had to fix most about himself is his emotions. And I think that is what is hurting him most right now. With a player like Brady, he channels his emotions and gets him fired up. Mac has turtled. He has regressed everything about himself because of it. He isn't making the smart and fast decisions he used to. He is throwing off his back foot all the time and his fundamentals have gone to crap. Anything that were positive about him have been huge liabilities the last two weeks.

I did dismiss a lot of the talk about his emotions getting the best of him and I was clearly wrong.

 

[Rob0729]

I think you might be confusing Brown with DK Metcalf. Metcalf had some major red flags with a neck injury in college that some thought would end his career.

Maybe, but I am right about the Eagles having red flags on Brown's health. I'm not a draftnick and I cannot remember the scouting reports on all the players the Pats passed on since I don't do a lot of the pre-draft stuff a lot of people. So I will plead ignorance.

Eagles reportedly gave A.J. Brown medical red flag before 2019 NFL Draft

Ahead of the 2019 NFL Draft, the Philadelphia Eagles gave wide receiver A.J. Brown a medical red flag. Three years later, they’ve made a massive trade to acquire the star wide receiver.

www.audacy.com

 

[PatsFan2]

That's the thing for me, he's failing with his mind. The physical tools are a given, we knew from the jump he'd need to be a fundamentally sound technician with high aptitude for the game and consistent process to become a high level starter in this league and to me he's none of those things. I haven't been impressed with his processing speed from year 1, but it never got better. He's not a quick reactor to movement, he doesn't reset quickly when going from one read to the next, he's a QB that only gets going if his pre snap diagnosis goes according to plan. And while I think he's a high level diagnoser and understands defenses, if you can't execute in a timely fashion in reaction to movement, you can't play QB in this league. It's why Brett Favre could win MVP without knowing what a nickel defense was, a lot of that position is just reaction time and coordination, you have to pair that together with your schematic understanding in real time. Mac doesn't have that, to me. And he needs it because he can't afford to be late with his physical traits. Right now he's playing mentally and mechanically in a way that only superlative physical traits would bail him out.

Mac doesn't understands the Defense his pre snap reads are the Worse.

 

[RodThePat]

I've said it on here before, if everything around Mac is perfect he is a good QB. If the pocket is clean and he can step up and be on platform he is fine. The main issue is that rarely happens in the NFL on a consistent basis.

Even then he's only fine if his number one receiver wins and he can throw it to him on time from a solid base. If he has a good pocket but the number one option can't win, the feet get wonky and he throws changeups. His mechanics drive me nuts, and they drove me nuts at Alabama too, with pockets 3 acres wide. He threw falling away from the ball constantly in college. It's just that A) more often than not his number one option was 5 yards open at the top of the route and B), even if he wasn't, the number 2 option would be 5 yards open and a bad throw from a poor base would still amount to a completion.