Mac Jones Through 2 Games (2021 vs 2022 vs 2023) By QTR and Redzone Totals

[amfootball]

I think if we had Boutte and Douglas on the field the point is valid. But unfortunately Parker and JuJu are just too slow to move the sticks and that showed in 3rd down attempts when you need to make a throw in less than 2 seconds.

Pin Both the losses on Bill. At this point I am getting a bit antsy about bill and think we might need to move in a different direction. BoB and mayo as joint HC's ???

Why pin them on Bill? It's the players job to make the plays to win.

 

[Rob0729]

Right. And it was epic fail.

If you say so.

 

[Pape]

I don't know if we are seeing different games. Mac is playing like one of the best in the league. He has better stats than Mahomes at this point of time .

He makes some mistakes but his positive plays far exceed the number of bad plays. Mac was singularly repaonsible for 1 TD where he ran, improvised and made throws on run when pocket collapsed. We have never seen thaoe before.

Please look at the video of bedard . It really sums it up. You are blaming the wrong horse. If I ask you to pull a train by yourself using a metal chain and you are not able to do it, the fault is not with you . The fault is with me asking you to do a impossible task.

Same goes for mac asking him to singularly win games despite offensive line breaking down, receivers not running fast , receivers getting out boxed on sideline by smaller cornerbacks .

You want a single person to blame. Blame Bill . Mac is terrific this season and hopefully he continues playing the same way for rest of season and doesn't get injured due to the shoddy OLine.

Mac is also responsible for the pick six in game 1.

I did watch the bedard video.

I do blame BB.

The offense as a whole has gotten better with BoB over Patricia.

But it's about the players. It's about execution. It's about elimination of mistakes.

For Mac, that means he's got to be better. 33 games, 7 first q tds. His int to td ratio is still too high. His blitz reads have to be better.

And I don't care if people think my expectations are too high. Why? Because without those expectations of wanting my team, my quarterback, to be better, it means I am fine with .500 football. Sorry, but not sorry, I want more than that.

 

[Toofy]

Why pin them on Bill? It's the players job to make the plays to win.

Bill knew what they are and gave them the extensions.

Bill benched the player who could have made the plays and be difference maker in douglas.

Bill drafted Thornton when we could have drafted Pickens .

Bill drafted Jake Andrews a non starter when dawaand Jones was available and a clear need.

Bill let Meyers walk away for juju losing 2 years of built in chemistry with Mac and his safety valve who could have been the reason we got both the 3rd downs.

Bill let Hopkins go without a contract.

Bill signed ageing veteran Riley reiff when everyone knew he was washed up with high guarantees .



Need to say anything more ?

 

[Ian]

Ian to a bit of umbrage when I said it earlier, but I stand by that statement. Yet, on a consistent basis, we see the same mistakes.

Are my expectations unfair? I don't rightly care if the are.

I don’t have an issue with what you’re saying, I just don’t know if it’s realistic. I only know of one player who really fell into that category, and he was wearing skinny jeans running up the field two weeks ago at halftime.

Aside from him, I honestly can’t think of too many other quarterbacks you could say that about and that’s the problem. With young quarterbacks, the trend around the league has actually been the opposite. You really have to try and bring in guys around them to make them better.

 

[Pape]

I don’t have an issue with what you’re saying, I just don’t know if it’s realistic. I only know of one player who really fell into that category, and he was wearing skinny jeans running up the field two weeks ago at halftime.

Aside from him, I honestly can’t think of too many other quarterbacks you could say that about and that’s the problem. With young quarterbacks, the trend around the league has actually been the opposite. You really have to try and bring in guys around them to make them better.

The thought that expectation that Mac makes players instead of players making Mac better is unrealistic basically says Mac isn't the guy we need here. Unless things take a dramatic turn in the off-season.

 

[Toofy]

The thought that expectation that Mac makes players instead of players making Mac better is unrealistic basically says Mac isn't the guy we need here. Unless things take a dramatic turn in the off-season.

Please name one QB who makes superstars out of their receiver or tight end without 1 stud playmaker. Just name 1 QB today in NFL who fits this narrative.

 

[h0c2000]

What a weird thing to say. It’s strange to be a “anyone but Mac” person just because. So, if all of a sudden he starts settling down and they start winning, you’re still going to wish they had somebody else?

I just seriously don’t get it. I mean, that’s obviously your prerogative, but it’s just weird that you’ve already written him off to the point where even if he does well, you don’t want him.

Why is it "a weird thing to say" Mac isn't good enough to be a winning QB in this system? Unless the wheels fall off, he'll have his fifth year option picked up. He'll have plenty of time to prove that I'm the idiot by winning in this system.

Mac has the ability to play quarterback in this league. Mac doesn't have the ability to win the AFCCG in this system. It is what it is.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Hold on, so Trevor Lawrence is still terrible? I don’t understand this argument. You first seemed to made a good point about the difference between one player in a bad situation, becoming a better player in a better situation only to say that you learn about what the player is regardless of the situation…?

Young players are rarely “ruined” by coaches.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

My dog could win a Super Bowl with the right supporting cast.

 

[Pape]

Please name one QB who makes superstars out of their receiver or tight end without 1 stud playmaker. Just name 1 QB today in NFL who fits this narrative.

brian hoyer

 

[Pape]

My dog could win a Super Bowl with the right supporting cast.

sign the beast!

 

[Ian]

The thought that expectation that Mac makes players instead of players making Mac better is unrealistic basically says Mac isn't the guy we need here. Unless things take a dramatic turn in the off-season.

Honestly, other than maybe Mahomes, can you think of anyone else currently in the league that falls into that category and is a young player? I don’t know if I can.

 

[Ian]

Why is it "a weird thing to say" Mac isn't good enough to be a winning QB in this system? Unless the wheels fall off, he'll have his fifth year option picked up. He'll have plenty of time to prove that I'm the idiot by winning in this system.

Mac has the ability to play quarterback in this league. Mac doesn't have the ability to win the AFCCG in this system. It is what it is.

My only issue is that you basically said anyone but Mac and essentially made it sound like, even if he does end up winning some games and being successful, that you’re still going to hate him. That’s the part that I found weird.

 

[Ian]

Young players are rarely “ruined” by coaches.

You’re not wrong, but it does occasionally pan out that way.I think it’s safe to say that coaches certainly do matter. And what’s going on right now in Jacksonville is certainly a reminder of that, regardless of how people here feel about last year.

 

[Pape]

Honestly, other than maybe Mahomes, can you think of anyone else currently in the league that falls into that category and is a young player? I don’t know if I can.

currently? not off hand... But when making that type of assessment, you have to look beyond the "superstars" and "studs"... got to look at the tier 2 and 3 type players... Brady could do it (but then again, he could do just about everything), P Manning could do it, Russel Wilson used to be able to do it (not so much anymore... ego killed his game imo)... Roethlisberger was also able to do it... believe it ir not, Joe Flacco as well... I am sure there are others, but when i started thinking about it, those are the guys that jumped out... Burrow would be my best guess beyond Mahomes... I like his game, and if I could pick 1 guy to be here, it would be him.

 

[Triumph]

In 2014 some fans and a large contingent of the media wanted BB to replace Tom Brady as the starter.

Was the problem Tom Brady?

Laughable...

What does Brady have to do with Corky Mac?

Brady had proven that he was clutch and a winner. Corky has proven to be a choker and a loser.

Crazy talk.

 

[Jlaff]

I will answer this from you. Being a starting caliber QB does not mean he is a top 10 or top 15 QB. There are 32 teams in this league.

Well what is an "NFL starting caliber QB" then? Unless Mac is "undeniabl[y]" something so nebulous it can't be defined.

 

[Toofy]

currently? not off hand... But when making that type of assessment, you have to look beyond the "superstars" and "studs"... got to look at the tier 2 and 3 type players... Brady could do it (but then again, he could do just about everything), P Manning could do it, Russel Wilson used to be able to do it (not so much anymore... ego killed his game imo)... Roethlisberger was also able to do it... believe it ir not, Joe Flacco as well... I am sure there are others, but when i started thinking about it, those are the guys that jumped out... Burrow would be my best guess beyond Mahomes... I like his game, and if I could pick 1 guy to be here, it would be him.

Russel Wilson had a stud defense( legion of boom) and he had solid playmakers on offense much superior to what we have now. Marshawn Lynch to name one. He just had to play a supporting role.

Roethlisberger had studs as wide receivers. Antonio brown, Hines ward, sabtanio brown and JuJu in prime before he got injured. Along with claypool , Emmanuel Sanders.

Mac has not even 1 who can match that resume .

 

[RIpats88]

This is the truth. None can answer and they acn come up with something like Caleb Williams when he hasn't yet suited up for a single game in NFL.

For context draft 1 pick Bryce Jones has the worst passer rating so far. So nothing from draft is set in stone . Trevor Lawrence yet to light it up. Mahomes was the only one who showed immediate promise. It took Josh Allen 4 seasons to show his potential and Mac is just in his 3rd year with 1 year wasted by having a DC double up as OC and OT and an ST coach doubling as QB coach .

And in 3rd year 0 reinforcements in offense and allowing your biggest safety valve in Meyers leave for a not so big contract and getting JuJu who is significantly inferior so far

Now yeah blame the QB who is behind the 2nd worst pass offensive line and still had the team in the game till the last minute to be robbed of the win by plays outside his control.

I just wonder if people are really arguing or trolling in name of fans...

mac isnt even playing that bad

hes top 10 in completion percentage, TD'S and passing yards