Content Post Idle thoughts: Moral victory, or Lost opportunity....

[JarOfMayo51]

That's the writing on the wall of this team, they can be good, but never great. That hue came with Brady is gone and we haven't find it back yet.

its a WEEK ONE loss to arguably the best team in the entire league.. they fell into a hole early, but kept it together and faught their way back, nearly winning it at the end


The conclusions people are jumping to after week 1 is amazing

 

[Patsfan1958]

 

[Kasmir]

That's the writing on the wall of this team, they can be good, but never great. That hue came with Brady is gone and we haven't find it back yet.

And you know that how? Are you a fortune teller?

 

[RIpats88]

Sorry. I mean, I don’t agree with it, but I don’t think it’s a terrible argument. Reid knew they weren’t going far enough and took Kermit. The Dolphins tanked for Tua. There’s an argument that you have to get a great QB. I just think we need to know what we have in Jones this year before making that decision, while others think they already know.

Tua is no more talented than mac jones. if anything his arm is weaker.

he just happens to have 2 of the best WR's in the NFL. switch Mac and Tua and i guarantee the results are switched.

and thats with somehow agreeing with the notion that 300yards and 3 td's against the eagles is somehow a poor performance...

 

[VJCPatriot]

You're sh*tting on Rhamondre for not rushing well vs the best front in the NFL with two rookie guards substituted in their first NFL start? In a game where he was (tied as) the leading receiver?

That's such a bad take that I wonder if anyone should ever take anything else you say seriously

That's a whole lot of copium and excuse-making. The facts are the facts. Who was the GM who assembled that OL and didn't seriously address it in the draft. Oh yeah his name is BB. Who pushed ALL his chips into the defensive pile and still ended up losing because the OL wasn't good enough to create holes for the RBs? Oh yes, that guy's name is BB.

The Patriots can only play against the team in front of them. If they play against a good team, now they are suddenly excused for not performing?

Stevenson and Elliot combined for 54 yards rushing. FACT. The Patriots inability to rush the ball effectively contributed to their LOSS. FACT.

Time to take off the HOMER glasses. This team wasn't good enough to win and they deserved the LOSS.

If you can't take facts seriously, that's a shame because we live in the Real World, not the world of EXCUSES. Results matter. Even BB himself admitted in his press conference that the team didn't make enough plays to win.

 

[VJCPatriot]

It was a great play which resulted in a turnover. Too bad the offense WASTED that golden opportunity!

 

[VJCPatriot]

Tua is no more talented than mac jones. if anything his arm is weaker.

he just happens to have 2 of the best WR's in the NFL. switch Mac and Tua and i guarantee the results are switched.

and thats with somehow agreeing with the notion that 300yards and 3 td's against the eagles is somehow a poor performance...

Tua Tagovailoa 2022 3548 passing yards 25 TDs 8 Ints 8.9 YPA.
Mac Jones 2022 2997 passing yards 14 TDs 11 Ints 6.8 YPA.

These TWO are NOT the same.

Tua 2023 466 yards 3 TDs 1 INT 10.4 YPA.
Mac 2023 316 yards 3 TDs 1 INT 5.9 YPA.

Tua has significantly better numbers. But the most telling stat is the Yards Per Attempt.
Mac is clearly a 'dink and dunker' who doesn't get the ball down the field to get his yards.

Part of it is a function of the fact that the Pats suck at drafting WRs and have collected a bunch of slot/possession WRs sure, but we just saw Mac Jones throw so many passes short of the 1st down marker against the Eagles. His 5.9 YPA reflects his lack of arm strength. He just can't hit his receivers in stride right in the numbers to allow them to gain more yards.

 

[Wozzy]

That's a whole lot of copium and excuse-making. The facts are the facts. Who was the GM who assembled that OL and didn't seriously address it in the draft. Oh yeah his name is BB. Who pushed ALL his chips into the defensive pile and still ended up losing because the OL wasn't good enough to create holes for the RBs? Oh yes, that guy's name is BB.

The Patriots can only play against the team in front of them. If they play against a good team, now they are suddenly excused for not performing?

Stevenson and Elliot combined for 54 yards rushing. FACT. The Patriots inability to rush the ball effectively contributed to their LOSS. FACT.

Time to take off the HOMER glasses. This team wasn't good enough to win and they deserved the LOSS.

If you can't take facts seriously, that's a shame because we live in the Real World, not the world of EXCUSES. Results matter. Even BB himself admitted in his press conference that the team didn't make enough plays to win.

You talking about the O-Line that had both starting guards out with injury... that line?

Pretend for a moment Onwenu and Strange are on the verge of coming back and those rookies who got a ton of reps in the preseason can take a backseat and continue to improve.

Good grief... at least pretend like you understand football for a moment and proof read your nonsense before you hit reply.

 

[RIpats88]

Tua Tagovailoa 2022 3548 passing yards 25 TDs 8 Ints 8.9 YPA.
Mac Jones 2022 2997 passing yards 14 TDs 11 Ints 6.8 YPA.

These TWO are NOT the same.

Tua 2023 466 yards 3 TDs 1 INT 10.4 YPA.
Mac 2023 316 yards 3 TDs 1 INT 5.9 YPA.

Tua has significantly better numbers. But the most telling stat is the Yards Per Attempt.
Mac is clearly a 'dink and dunker' who doesn't get the ball down the field to get his yards.

Part of it is a function of the fact that the Pats suck at drafting WRs and have collected a bunch of slot/possession WRs sure, but we just saw Mac Jones throw so many passes short of the 1st down marker against the Eagles. His 5.9 YPA reflects his lack of arm strength. He just can't hit his receivers in stride right in the numbers to allow them to gain more yards.

comparing 2022 does nothing to dispel my notion.

put tua with matt patricia and Mac with hill/waddle and mcdaniels.

 

[Wozzy]

Just for reference, Mac Jones currently leads the NFL in pass attempts.

This came against a defense that ranked third all-time in the history of pro football in team sacks last season.

He got sacked twice, and once was a coverage sack that simply took too long.

Suggesting the line played poorly is just terrible analysis. They weren't perfect, but Mac threw from a lot of clean pockets yesterday.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Here's what he said:

Sounds like he was owning it and acknowledging the weather as a factor on why it needed to be a better throw.

ok this sounds better thanks for the quote, i should read the original quote always by myself

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Just for reference, Mac Jones currently leads the NFL in pass attempts.

This came against a defense that ranked third all-time in the history of pro football in team sacks last season.

He got sacked twice, and once was a coverage sack that simply took too long.

Suggesting the line played poorly is just terrible analysis. They weren't perfect, but Mac threw from a lot of clean pockets yesterday.

the o line played really well given the situation but i wouldn't call it clean when 2 of the Eagles DT are top 10 in pass rush win rate

 

[Jim Beankie]

its a WEEK ONE loss to arguably the best team in the entire league.. they fell into a hole early, but kept it together and faught their way back, nearly winning it at the end


The conclusions people are jumping to after week 1 is amazing

C'mon man... history has proven that week 1 results are indicative of how the rest of the season will go... like Week 1 2003 for the Pats, when some jag qb threw 0TD 4INT. Pats did crap that season...

Bills 31-0 Patriots (Sep 7, 2003) Final Score - ESPN

Game summary of the Buffalo Bills vs. New England Patriots NFL game, final score 31-0, from September 7, 2003 on ESPN.

www.espn.com

 

[Wozzy]

the o line played really well given the situation but i wouldn't call it clean when 2 of the Eagles DT are top 10 in pass rush win rate

PFF is nonsense.

Mac got sacked twice with a league leading number (54) of pass attempts, that's a real stat.

PFF told us Stephon Gilmore was a bad player with a bad "player grade" when we acquired him in 2017.... how did that turn out?

 

[JarOfMayo51]

C'mon man... history has proven that week 1 results are indicative of how the rest of the season will go... like Week 1 2003 for the Pats, when some jag qb threw 0TD 4INT. Pats did crap that season...

Bills 31-0 Patriots (Sep 7, 2003) Final Score - ESPN

Game summary of the Buffalo Bills vs. New England Patriots NFL game, final score 31-0, from September 7, 2003 on ESPN.

www.espn.com

yea and we shouldnt really worry, i mean if Week 1 defines a team then the Bills and Jets are done too

Josh Allen, elite, super highly paid juggernaut QB, had 4 turnovers and played like dogshit

but Mac going 300+ yards and 3 TDs against one of the top 3 defenses in the entire league = he's trash

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

PFF is nonsense.

Mac got sacked twice with a league leading number (54) of pass attempts, that's a real stat.

PFF told us Stephon Gilmore was a bad player with a bad "player grade" when we acquired him in 2017.... how did that turn out?

these were not grades, these were pass rush win rates

you can not only look at the sack number to say the o-line was great, we need to include pressures as well

 

[patfanken]

. It's really hard to win unless you have an elite QB.

Really Mike? Would you call what you saw from Borrows, Allen, Mahomes, Herbert or even Hurts last week, "Elite".

This is NOT a one man game! How many times to I have to point it out. Sure, having a great QB HELPS. He is the most important player on the offense. No one questions that. But without a competent OL, or WR's or RB, that offense can GRIND to a halt and force even the best QB's to look every ordinary. BUT surround them with all kinds of talent and great D's and ST to compliment them and even ordinary QB's (Purdy) can look great. BTW- having a complimentary scheme (one that matches your skill set) is a great help too.

BOTTOM line: This a TEAM game. One player cannot succeed unless there are 10 other guys pulling their weight, It is NOT just about the QB, though the media has made it that way and we as consumers of media have bought in. That is why it ceased to be about the Patriots vs the Colts and became all about Brady vs Manning. It's cool and exciting, BUT it is NOT how the game is played

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

RB- No one would have guessed that Stevenson would average 2.1ypc, even with that OL.

He got sick the day before.

The most egregious was the Andy Reid like call to go for it on 4th and 17 that Bill made with 4 minutes and all 4 TO's remaining.

Suicide.

They never learn that taking three points off the scoreboard from yourself loses the game.*

And the most amazing (saddening) part is that with the Giants and in Brady's early years, Super Bowls were won making FG's and not beating yourself.

*Further, it wastes an entire drive down the field coming away with nothing, and instantly inspires the opponent's entire team.
Every time they've done this, especially at Denver in that miserable AFCCG, as they're lining up you're saying, "This is fatal. Even if they make it, it's like they took such an unnecessary gamble that everyone is saying, 'You guys are stupid. You're trying to lose.' It's totally deflating to anyone on or rooting for the Patriots because it goes against reality."

 

[Jim Beankie]

He got sick the day before.

Suicide.

They never learn that taking three points off the scoreboard from yourself loses the game.*

And the most amazing (saddening) part is that with the Giants and in Brady's early years, Super Bowls were won making FG's and not beating yourself.

*Further, it wastes an entire drive down the field coming away with nothing, and instantly inspires the opponent's entire team.
Every time they've done this, especially at Denver in that miserable AFCCG, as they're lining up you're saying, "This is fatal. Even if they make it, it's like they took such an unnecessary gamble that everyone is saying, 'You guys are stupid. You're trying to lose.' It's totally deflating to anyone on or rooting for the Patriots because it goes against reality."

Where's that quote from?

 

[Wozzy]

these were not grades, these were pass rush win rates

you can not only look at the sack number to say the o-line was great, we need to include pressures as well

Who compiles “win rates?”

I watched the game, I saw Mac throwing from many clean pockets.

The Eagles head coach stated in his post game interview how his pass rush was nullified right up until the end of game but they kept at it… maybe Nick Siriani wasn’t given the “win rates.”