Great Stuff From Albert Breer on Mac Jones

[jimnance]

When I was a young man er eh kitten,

Did you just let the cat out of the bag?

 

[pazrul72]

True, but the real issue with his Mac-Enroe antics is that it is only tolerable in a winner.

Same goes from BB; everyone put up with his absurd surliness when they were winning; now it's painful to listen to.

Eh to an extent. There were times even Brady had me going really dude? It does make it a little easier to justify well at least he wins. I dont like the drama in losers OR winners.

 

[patfanken]

After going over the television game tape again, one of the POSITIVE things I saw from Mac, was more comfort and CONTROL while moving in the pocket.

Mack HAS athletic ability. His 40 (4.8) and 3cone (7.0) are very similar to Mahomes. The only difference is Mahomes (and other running QB's) is they know how to USE that athleticism and incorporate into their games. Mac CLEARLY doesn't. BUT.... what I saw in GB was a QB who is taking the first steps to harness his innate athleticism. and use it in the game Baby steps folks, baby steps.

 

[Kasmir]

After going over the television game tape again, one of the POSITIVE things I saw from Mac, was more comfort and CONTROL while moving in the pocket.

Mack HAS athletic ability. His 40 (4.8) and 3cone (7.0) are very similar to Mahomes. The only difference is Mahomes (and other running QB's) is they know how to USE that athleticism and incorporate into their games. Mac CLEARLY doesn't. BUT.... what I saw in GB was a QB who is taking the first steps to harness his innate athleticism. and use it in the game Baby steps folks, baby steps.

Mac had a 4.68s and 4.72s 40 at his pro day:

Mac Jones works out for scouts at Alabama's first pro day

Mac Jones is not expected to wait long to hear his name called on draft night.

www.nbcsports.com

So his 40 time is somewhere between 4.68s and 4.9s

 

[Rob0729]

Glad you're rooting for Mac. It drives me crazy when people, mostly talk-radio idiots, attack his attitude. Without context, his on-field behaviour at times last year was unseemly. With context, he was forced to run a high school level offense behind a poor OL with no latitude to change plays the opposition knew were coming. With no help or guidance in the chain of command, he then gets injured trying to run this train-wreck offense. With his professional development halted and career possibilities starting to suffer, he had to take criticism from 2 coaches who knew less about running an offense than he did. I think the Dalai Lama might have snapped under last year's conditions.

Jones' attitude around the Raiders' game time of the season last year was wrong, but people do forget that he put up with a lot of garbage for a long time last year before he finally let is emotions get the best of him. It was later in the season when he finally lost it. Brady wasn't as patient in 2019 and was clearly making his displeasure with his weapons known.

Patricia was getting Mac injured out there. Belichick was throwing Mac under the bus for the poor offensive effort. Patricia took away the things Mac did best with being able to make adjustments at the line and call audibles.

I am not excusing Mac's actions, but I don't think any other coaching staff was working against their starting QB as much as the Pats were with Jones. They deserve a lot of the blame for the situation. Mac should have handled it better and he deserves criticism, but I don't think a QB could have a worse situation than what Mac had last year.

 

[patfanken]

Mac had a 4.68s and 4.72s 40 at his pro day:

Mac Jones works out for scouts at Alabama's first pro day

Mac Jones is not expected to wait long to hear his name called on draft night.

www.nbcsports.com

So his 40 time is somewhere between 4.68s and 4.9s

The Point is Kas, either or, the kid is a VERY good athlete. The question is whether he can harness that skill and make it part of his game. What I saw on tape was what I thought was more controlled movement and evasiveness on his drops. He didn't spin away from a rusher like Mahomes does on a regular basis (it seems). But rather like I said, "baby steps"

People forget that was so outstanding about Brady's career was he MADE himself into the GOAT. He didn't come into to the league with a great arm and mobility. These are the things Brady OBSESSIVELY worked at for YEARS before the "noodle arm" designation was lifted from him. He did NOT come nto the league with these skills, he DEVELOPED them over his very long career, because he was virtually psychotically competitive.

Mac seems to have a similar competitive streak and seems to be a very hard worker, so I THINK, give his innate athletic abilities, he can become a more elusive target in the pocket and a real threat to run the ball. We might not actually see that translate on the field tomorrow, but down the road a bit.

Baby steps

 

[SEA_Pat]

True, but the real issue with his Mac-Enroe antics is that it is only tolerable in a winner.

Same goes from BB; everyone put up with his absurd surliness when they were winning; now it's painful to listen to.

Speaking for everyone else, I haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about. Those of us who are fans of the NE Patriots don't "put up" with BB, we love the dude and his snide-iness with inappropriate or dumb questions and lack of patience for the usual BS. I haven't found him painful to listen to at all and can't imagine why a fan of the team would. Are you sure you're in the right forum?

 

[Kasmir]

The Point is Kas, either or, the kid is a VERY good athlete. The question is whether he can harness that skill and make it part of his game. What I saw on tape was what I thought was more controlled movement and evasiveness on his drops. He didn't spin away from a rusher like Mahomes does on a regular basis (it seems). But rather like I said, "baby steps"

People forget that was so outstanding about Brady's career was he MADE himself into the GOAT. He didn't come into to the league with a great arm and mobility. These are the things Brady OBSESSIVELY worked at for YEARS before the "noodle arm" designation was lifted from him. He did NOT come nto the league with these skills, he DEVELOPED them over his very long career, because he was virtually psychotically competitive.

Mac seems to have a similar competitive streak and seems to be a very hard worker, so I THINK, give his innate athletic abilities, he can become a more elusive target in the pocket and a real threat to run the ball. We might not actually see that translate on the field tomorrow, but down the road a bit.

Baby steps

Agreed. My worry is that he plays too "hot", i.e. he can lose composure under pressure, which not only limits his ability to react athletically, but also interferes with his post snap reads. He was 5th in the league in EPA/play last year when not pressured, but worst of any starter when he was. Thankfully this wasn't nearly as bad a problem in 2021, so hopefully even if true it's coachable.

 

[Kasmir]

Speaking for everyone else, I haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about. Those of us who are fans of the NE Patriots don't "put up" with BB, we love the dude and his snide-iness with inappropriate or dumb questions and lack of patience for the usual BS. I haven't found him painful to listen to at all and can't imagine why a fan of the team would. Are you sure you're in the right forum?

You speak for the entire forum? Must be because of that awesome responsivity that I've never heard from you.

You don't think Belichick is surly with the press? I've been a big fan of BB since he got here -- hell I went to high school with Ernie and him -- but I have to say his behavior with the press during losses is hard for me to watch, especially when there are lots of losses.

 

[Kasmir]

Nice breakdown of Mac's last game:

 

[patfanken]

Agreed. My worry is that he plays too "hot", i.e. he can lose composure under pressure, which not only limits his ability to react athletically, but also interferes with his post snap reads. He was 5th in the league in EPA/play last year when not pressured, but worst of any starter when he was. Thankfully this wasn't nearly as bad a problem in 2021, so hopefully even if true it's coachable.

BUT......He didn't seem to play "hot" his rookie year when his composure seemed almost Brady-like. THAT is what people who are questioning Mac seem to have forgotten most of the negatives they associate with him weren't there in 2021. The issues of 2022 are gone and a guy Mac seems to love is now HIS coach, ergo most of the issues and negative stats from last year really have no meaning.

Maybe the only good thing we are going to get from last season is to see how Mac responds to the REAL adversity he went thru, from his play on the field and on the sidelines, to the negative response from the fans and media. That had to be tough to see the fans that adored him in 2021 seemed to have turned on him last year. He has to learn that its nothing personal, it's just Boston fans. We are not just adoring robots. We actually know the game (somewhat) and know when teams are not playing up to the standards we expect. We boo dumb players and dumb plays across all our major sports teams. AND we love them to death when they succeed and even when they suck and we boo them, we STILL support those teams with our dollars and and our passion.

I hope Mac will respond to last season's adversity well. So far so good, but it will take a full season of hard tests to see the results. This might be the hardest schedule the Pats have had in my memory so it won't be easy

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Very good. This strikes a chord with me. When I was a young man er eh kitten, I had a coach (in another sport besides football) that would constantly complain about me and never offer any solutions.

Was this your coach?

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Same goes from BB; everyone put up with his absurd surliness when they were winning; now it's painful to listen to.

I do not think the surliness is painful, it makes me chuckle. Just like reading posts by the Captain. Other people do not determine your reactions, only you do.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Mac had a 4.68s and 4.72s 40 at his pro day:

Mac Jones works out for scouts at Alabama's first pro day

Mac Jones is not expected to wait long to hear his name called on draft night.

www.nbcsports.com

So his 40 time is somewhere between 4.68s and 4.9s

If his Pro Day used stop watches and not computerized timing, generally speaking you add 0.1 seconds to the stop watch time. So if 4.68s to 4.72s are stop watch times, the times are actually 4.78 to 4.82 sec.

Stopwatch Timing vs. Fully Automated Timing: An Overview | Zybek Sports

www.zybeksports.com

 

[Kasmir]

I do not think the surliness is painful, it makes me chuckle. Just like reading posts by the Captain. Other people do not determine your reactions, only you do.

Fair enough; I should know better than to casually use universal quantifiers ("everyone").

But I doubt I am the only one who is now less willing to laugh at Bill's rudeness to the press now that he's no longer winning.

I'm sure I will laugh again if and when he notches 10+ wins and a playoff victory or two.

 

[SEA_Pat]

You speak for the entire forum? Must be because of that awesome responsivity that I've never heard from you.

You don't think Belichick is surly with the press? I've been a big fan of BB since he got here -- hell I went to high school with Ernie and him -- but I have to say his behavior with the press during losses is hard for me to watch, especially when there are lots of losses.

You were the one who said "everyone put up with his absurd surliness when they were winning; now it's painful to listen to." Not me. Hence my response.

I don't think it's a big deal to be unhappy when you're forced to answer a lot of stock or sometimes silly questions after you've lost a game that was important to you. And that's one of the reasons he's the best, because every game is important to him. Cool that you went to High School with he and Ernie though.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Higher Upside-Mac Jones or Peyton Manning?

 

[JarOfMayo51]

Mac references a library of film specifically for their system that dates back pretty far in NFL history apparently



as the reporter comments, would love to get my hands on that library!

 

[sb1]

Indeed we will. He’s not going to get a 4th season here imo if the answer is no.

 

[Thelonious]

Evaluating Mac is a somewhat complex matter. First of all, what is the context in which you are evaluating him? The context in Mac's case revolves around the question, "Is he good enough to be a 'franchise quarterback.'" Put another way, "If other elements of the team are in place and sound, is Mac going to be the factor holding the team back." I think that's maybe the baseline question rather than higher order, more open-ended or nebulous question such as," Is Mac going to develop into a really excellent quarterback," or the even more problematic question that no doubt lurks in some minds, "Can he be the next Tom Brady." There are two aspects to this question. First, is he in simple terms "good enough." Call it the quantitative aspect (though generating meaningful numerical data on such things is an iffy undertaking). Is his arm strong enough, can he make the reads, is he a leader, can he get the ball out his hands in a timely manner, can he learn quickly, does he have reasonable quickness/elusiveness in the pocket or on the run, and so forth. The second aspect, and maybe the more difficult one is," Is Mac the the sort of qb who can do well playing the position, as that position has evolved in recent years and as one one can anticipate it will continue to evolve going forward. Teams are playing a faster, more aggressive form of offense, one in which the quarterback's sheer athleticism - his ability to move and throw on the move, his ability to run the ball himself, the sheer speed with which he can make things happen all matter more than they used to. We often hear, "Mac is more athletic than people think," but that is such faint praise that it virtually acknowledges that Mac's athleticism is a legitimate concern. I think that on the first, simpler aspect - is he good enough to be a starting qb - the answer is probably though not certainly yes; but there remains the possibility, taking the second aspect into account, that the answer overall might be,"Mac would have been a very good to excellent qb as the game was played a dozen years ago, but he is not up to the task as the game has evolved - in significant part because of rules changes which will not be reversed. A dozen years we might have said, "He's not as good as Tom, but he has the same sort of skills, so it just might work." But maybe now we will have to say, "The game has passed this sort of quarterback by, sound player though Mac may be." A big part of the answer will depend on the extent to which BO'B can incorporate newer "collegiate" aspects of the game into the offense - a task for which he ought to be well suited, as indeed Mac might also be - with Mac as qb. An additional problem in making this determination is that the offensive team Mac must lead is so p--s poor in so many areas that Mac may not get a fair shot (AGAIN!!) at showing what he can do. For that problem, we have the GM to thank, yet again. SO maybe the real question is, "How do we solve that problem."