Malik Cunningham = QB1

[Kasmir]

Hey, if the team performs and Mac looks like a top 5 or 10 QB maybe he would be paid. Based on what we've seen so far, that's not the case. Is he Andy Dalton. or Alex Smith or can he be better. We'll see.

Mac was a top 5 QB last year when not pressured. He will see nothing but pressure until he shows he can deal with it.

 

[Real fan 02]

Hey, if the team performs and Mac looks like a top 5 or 10 QB maybe he would be paid. Based on what we've seen so far, that's not the case. Is he Andy Dalton. or Alex Smith or can he be better. We'll see.

I agree.. I was making the case that the way this organization does business they IMO that is. will not pay going rate for a QB. I've said that I'm EXPECTING Mac to bounce back and have a solid season. Daniel jones is the best comparison to use.. a guy that was almost out the league, made worse by Joe Judge just like Mac was. His career was salvaged by QB whisperer dabol. All Mac has to do is be the best version of Mac he can be. Even if he's a slightly better version of 2021 he will still command a nice contract.

 

[Real fan 02]

Mac was a top 5 QB last year when not pressured. He will see nothing but pressure until he shows he can deal with it.

With this offensive line he definitely will be under heavy pressure

 

[Grogan14]

Kurt Warner, Warren Moon, and Tony Romo say hi.

Good find

 

[captain stone]

He'll be the number 2 QB when the season starts. Cunningham should be QB3 - you don't cut that kind of intriguing potential for a Trace McSorley.

McSorely's getting whacked on Cut-Down Day whether Cunningham was here or wasn't here. Dude sucks.

 

[moosekill]

I believe they won't pay Mac what the salary of good QB play commands.. that's around 40 Million.. BB didn't want to pay goat 25 million.. besides Mac is part of the new generation of players.. they are not taking discounts I don't blame him.. so as I was saying good QB play commands a price tag I don't believe Ownership is willing to pay.

Brady's pay simply isn't true. He was consistently one of the highest paid qb's. It wasn't the Patriots or BIll being cheap, he was always paid.

 

[Thelonious]

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Not sure what you are trying to get at with all that, but the argument is teams will be fighting to grab him off waivers; the same teams who didn’t find him worthy of a 7th round pick.
Nothing that happened Thursday changed any evaluators opinion of him.
I know it’s new and exciting to you because you had no clue who he is, but he was evaluated thoroughly before that draft and zero of 32 said “oh my God this kid can run QB draws in the 4th quarter of a preseason game against guys who won’t be in the league, his did we miss him?”

And FYI they gave him $200,000 out of a 182,000,000 cap number. It’s the equivalent of a rounding error. Terez Hall gets 500k to be on IR

I will face the wall and do my urinary best.

1) "Nothing that happened Thursday changed any evaluators opinion of him." First of all, I doubt that. It is their job, after all, to reconsider their views in light of experience. Second you offer no evidence this is so. I made no particular reference to Thursday in my post. They have been observing him in Camp/minicamp for some days now, not just on Thursday. I suppose you might consider that they know more about him than you do and that they might therefore regard him more optimistically than you do.

2) Your second point is a classic example of the straw man, the variant in which you deliberately misrepresent, here by parody, what someone says so that you can debunk your own calculated miscontrual of it. Neither I nor anybody else has asserted anything resembling what you imply. Cunningham is an interesting player whose potential makes him worth keeping. Why you struggle with so modest an assertion is baffling. Perhaps your determination to disagree with your putative lessers is clouding your judgment. As for your accusation of "excitement," I had no idea that emotion is out of place in a sports forum. Maybe I should adopt your more lugubrious and ponderous manner and pose as a more "serious" fan, or maybe I'm just not so desperate for approbation that I would rather look for opportunities to be disagreeable than simply say what I think.

3) The number thing is trivial, of course. I guess that's why you left it for last. He was paid an unusually high amount for a UDFA. That's just a fact, and there was a reason for it.

But so it goes in the testosterone-suffused world of sports chat. You will observe that I p'd a full four-and-a-half feet up the wall. I believe that proves my point.

 

[Real fan 02]

Brady's pay simply isn't true. He was consistently one of the highest paid qb's. It wasn't the Patriots or BIll being cheap, he was always paid.

The QB pay scale had changed my friend and he had won another SB during that time. Daks contract is what changed everything. Brady wanted to the drew Brees contact 50 million, 25 per season.. dak Prescott hadn't achieved anything near what Brady had when he got paid. Brady recieved "bumps" and escalators and front loaded guranteed money throughout the years. He valued winning over being the highest paid. He spoiled the team with taking less for the greater good of team success. Most humble superstar ever!

 

[Real fan 02]

McSorely's getting whacked on Cut-Down Day whether Cunningham was here or wasn't here. Dude sucks.

How did we even end up with him.. we have mc sorely on this roster and not Dhop.. classic

 

[Ring 6]

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I will face the wall and do my urinary best.

1) "Nothing that happened Thursday changed any evaluators opinion of him." First of all, I doubt that. It is their job, after all, to reconsider their views in light of experience. Second you offer no evidence this is so. I made no particular reference to Thursday in my post. They have been observing him in Camp/minicamp for some days now, not just on Thursday. I suppose you might consider that they know more about him than you do and that they might therefore regard him more optimistically than you do.

2) Your second point is a classic example of the straw man, the variant in which you deliberately misrepresent, here by parody, what someone says so that you can debunk your own calculated miscontrual of it. Neither I nor anybody else has asserted anything resembling what you imply. Cunningham is an interesting player whose potential makes him worth keeping. Why you struggle with so modest an assertion is baffling. Perhaps your determination to disagree with your putative lessers is clouding your judgment. As for your accusation of "excitement," I had no idea that emotion is out of place in a sports forum. Maybe I should adopt your more lugubrious and ponderous manner and pose as a more "serious" fan, or maybe I'm just not so desperate for approbation that I would rather look for opportunities to be disagreeable than simply say what I think.

3) The number thing is trivial, of course. I guess that's why you left it for last. He was paid an unusually high amount for a UDFA. That's just a fact, and there was a reason for it.

But so it goes in the testosterone-suffused world of sports chat. You will observe that I p'd a full three-and-a-half feet up the wall. I believe that proves my point.

1) What exactly has he done that is a surprise to evaluators? He did the same things he did against college competition, against college competition. And I suppose you might consider they know a lot more about him than you do and they evaluate him less blindly optimistically than you do. Not to mention we are talking about 31 other teams’ opinions in regard to him clearing waivers.

2) Not a straw man at all. The argument was “we can’t put him in waivers because he will get claimed”. The fact that other teams evaluated him before the draft and chose not to draft him is relevant. The fact that he had 1 drive showing what was known to be his strength vs players who will not be in the NFL is relevant to whether those opinions would be changed by it.
When you have a baseball player with immense power he strikes out way too much, hitting a home run in his first at bat doesn’t change the evaluation. Especially if it’s in September in a 10-0 game against a minor call up.

3) You brought up the “number thing” not me. He was paid an inconsequential amount that you claimed to be influential in the decision.

Piss all you want, facts are still facts.

 

[Ring 6]

Kurt Warner, Warren Moon, and Tony Romo say hi.

What teams are they starting for?

 

[Ring 6]

Absolutely agree!! With that and having the foresight as BB does. He didn't sign Cunningham to have him in for a tryout.. they get to see what he can do on a daily basis. I believe they stash him on the roster and develop him.. BB knows that if Mac plays himself into a contract it likely won't be in NE.

They literally brought him in for a tryout. At a new position

 

[Real fan 02]

They literally brought him in for a tryout. At a new position

So 200k for a try out?

 

[p8ryts]

Mac was a top 5 QB last year when not pressured. He will see nothing but pressure until he shows he can deal with it.

QB's get pressured.

 

[Ring 6]

So 200k for a try out?

Yes. What did you think, they guaranteed him
a roster spot?

 

[Real fan 02]

Yes. What did you think, they guaranteed him
a roster spot?

I'd love for a job to pay me 200k for an interview.. if that's the case I'd go on interviews for a living!

 

[moosekill]

The QB pay scale had changed my friend and he had won another SB during that time. Daks contract is what changed everything. Brady wanted to the drew Brees contact 50 million, 25 per season.. dak Prescott hadn't achieved anything near what Brady had when he got paid. Brady recieved "bumps" and escalators and front loaded guranteed money throughout the years. He valued winning over being the highest paid. He spoiled the team with taking less for the greater good of team success. Most humble superstar ever!

We don't need to rehash this, but BIll made a decision that he wasn't going to pay a 40 + year old qb those numbers. Very different than saying he wouldn't pay any qb that price.

 

[Ring 6]

I'd love for a job to pay me 200k for an interview.. if that's the case I'd go on interviews for a living!

Well it’s too bad that you aren’t a borderline NFL prospect who gets paid to be one of 90 to come to camp and tryout for one if 53 spots.

Not sure where “interview” came in and why you don’t understand that professional athletes are subjected to which trans has their rights, and those rights alone are valuable. Chad Ryland got $786,000 to “interview” for the kicker job.

 

[Real fan 02]

We don't need to rehash this, but BIll made a decision that he wasn't going to pay a 40 + year old qb those numbers. Very different than saying he wouldn't pay any qb that price.

Not rehashing anything.. just stating the facts we all know wether we want to accept it. It's out there the information.. all on how people want to perceive.. fact is goat wasn't taking a discount this time around.. he left and thus won another Lombardi. That chapter is closed. But I see your point. Just making mines that's all.

 

[Real fan 02]

Well it’s too bad that you aren’t a borderline NFL prospect who gets paid to be one of 90 to come to camp and tryout for one if 53 spots.

Not sure where “interview” came in and why you don’t understand that professional athletes are subjected to which trans has their rights, and those rights alone are valuable. Chad Ryland got $786,000 to “interview” for the kicker job.

Ok so is Malik on the roster or not? Is Ryland on the roster or not? You said he was brung in for a "try out"?