Belichick Interview With the 33rd Team

[crawhammer]

I think what Slater brings as a leader has been just as important to what he’s done on the field.

Coincidently I agree.

 

[crawhammer]

You addressed nothing, you doubled down that you think you know more about special teams and the history of the nfl than bb. Hilarious.

You just keep repeating the same idiotic generalization.

You brought up Welker.

And you apparently think they never won a Super Bowl with Welker on the roster because of him. That's a pretty dumb take.

I don’t need to know anything about fantasy football to know your knowledge of the game is limited to it

That makes sense .

Understanding means lack of understanding? No wonder 90% of posters think you are clueless

Says the President of the Matt Patricia Apologists Society (MPAS).

 

[Ring 6]

You just keep repeating the same idiotic generalization.


And you apparently think they never won a Super Bowl with Welker on the roster because of him. That's a pretty dumb take.


That makes sense .


Says the President of the Matt Patricia Apologists Society (MPAS).

I keep repeating the sane truth.

I didn’t say that, you did, but on this team a ring should be a hof requirement. He did choke one away.

Thanks, you finally get it.

Now you are making things up.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Slater ST Tackles per game

2022 - 0.71 (57th)... 3rd on the team... apparently Cody Davis and Brenden Schooler are budding HOFers.
2021 - 0.72 (36th)... 2nd on the team (to Davis).
2020 - 0.44 (didn't register in top 100)... Justin Bethel, Cody Davis, and some dude named Dee Virgin made the top 100.
2019 - 0.65 (45th)... tied with Justin Bethel.
2018 - 0.74 (38th)... 2nd on the team (to Nate Ebner).
2017 - 0.75 (35th)... 4th on the team behind Harvey Langi, Trevor Reilly, Nate Ebner.
2016 - 0.50 (96th)... 4th on the team again (Ebner ranked 2nd in NFL).
2015 - 0.83 (29th)... 2nd on the team (to Brandon King).
2014 - 0.93 (23rd)... only had to go back 9 seasons to find one where he even led his own team outright in this category.

Now tell me how Slater's soaking up all of the attention so these other guys can make the tackles lol.

This is the hill PatsFans wants to die on?... Slater the GOAT ST. And I take heat for my Brady takes.

Pretty bizarre stats, yet he makes the Pro Bowl/All Pro so many times.

Also, the most tackles he's had was 18 and has never crossed the 20 tackle mark where guys like Pierre Woods of all players have eclipsed. Don Davis, Larry Izzo and Matt Chatham have also eclipsed the 20 tackle mark. By the way, Larry Izzo has the most special teams tackles in NFL history.

It seems like it's hard to find, but I'd like to see who led the league in downing punts inside the 5 or blocked kick or punts. Why are these stats so hard to find?

 

[pazrul72]

Hall of Fames are for all time great, impactful, and accomplished players. There isn't a primary gunner in the history of the NFL that belongs in the HOF. And the HOF voters agree with me 100%. Trust me, Slater won't be the first. I wouldn't put him in the Patriots HOF (which frankly isn't worth **** anyway absent Wes Welker)

As usual with your complete lack of understanding of anything that can’t be numerically quantified you are 100% wrong about this. Doubt you’ve heard of him, but Steve Tasker has been a HOF finalist and is considered one of the bigger HOF snubs by many HOF voters. Slater is more accomplished then tasker (more probowl/all pros/rings) so has a decent shot at being the first. Slater is a no brainer first ballot Patriot HOF, and rather then go into all the reasons why, which you will ignore and restate your tired and boring bUt hE oNlY mAdE 0.8 tAckLes a gAMe, I’m just going to point out how stupid you look arguing against people who live breath and work in the game. Way more then just BB have called Slater the GOAT ST player.

 

[crawhammer]

As usual with your complete lack of understanding of anything that can’t be numerically quantified you are 100% wrong about this. Doubt you’ve heard of him, but Steve Tasker has been a HOF finalist and is considered one of the bigger HOF snubs by many HOF voters. Slater is more accomplished then tasker (more probowl/all pros/rings) so has a decent shot at being the first. Slater is a no brainer first ballot Patriot HOF, and rather then go into all the reasons why, which you will ignore and restate your tired and boring bUt hE oNlY mAdE 0.8 tAckLes a gAMe, I’m just going to point out how stupid you look arguing against people who live breath and work in the game. Way more then just BB have called Slater the GOAT ST player.

Listen to you... "as usual"... GTFOH. And yes, I've heard of Steve Tasker. He's not in the NFL HOF and he doesn't belong there. But he's a better football player than Slater. The guy actually caught a few passes in his career (51-779-9). Very good ST player as well... more tackles per season and per game than Slater... 7 blocked punts (which actually is a relevant statistic) whereas Slater has only 1. So Tasker is a better football player and a better ST player than Slater but neither should get a whiff of the NFL HOF.

Don't give me the rings nonsense either as it applies to these guys. Although, Tasker actually contributed a 67-yard kickoff return and 5 receptions for 108 yards and a TD in a playoff win. Slater has 22 ST tackles in 25 postseason games and a bunch of 0's everywhere else... not a single significant impact play. Troy Brown in one AFCCG accounted for two ST touchdowns (punt return TD and scoop and lateral to Harris for a TD) which is far more significant than anything Slater every did any game of his entire career. Brown, a skilled returner, added 3 punt return TDs in his career and led the NFL in Y/R in 2001 when he also had 101 receptions for 1199 yards and 5 more TDs. Slater can't hold Brown's jockstrap.

Slater is a no brainer first ballot Patriot HOF, and rather then go into all the reasons why

No, please do, because you'll be the first to try it (with actual impact plays and career highlights). Thus far I only get the 10 pro bowl nods when he wasn't even the best ST player on his own team for most of those seasons and I get Bill said so. The same guy who hired Patricia. Sat Malcolm. Torpedoed the 2015 season with one game-altering dumbass decision after another. Let Brady walk for nothing. Like Bill's never got anything wrong before. Add "Slater is the GOAT" to the pile.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Listen to you... "as usual"... GTFOH. And yes, I've heard of Steve Tasker. He's not in the NFL HOF and he doesn't belong there. But he's a better football player than Slater. The guy actually caught a few passes in his career (51-779-9). Very good ST player as well... more tackles per season and per game than Slater... 7 blocked punts (which actually is a relevant statistic) whereas Slater has only 1. So Tasker is a better football player and a better ST player than Slater but neither should get a whiff of the NFL HOF.

Don't give me the rings nonsense either as it applies to these guys. Although, Tasker actually contributed a 67-yard kickoff return and 5 receptions for 108 yards and a TD in a playoff win. Slater has 22 ST tackles in 25 postseason games and a bunch of 0's everywhere else... not a single significant impact play. Troy Brown in one AFCCG accounted for two ST touchdowns (punt return TD and scoop and lateral to Harris for a TD) which is far more significant than anything Slater every did any game of his entire career. Brown, a skilled returner, added 3 punt return TDs in his career and led the NFL in Y/R in 2001 when he also had 101 receptions for 1199 yards and 5 more TDs. Slater can't hold Brown's jockstrap.

If Steve Tasker hasn't made it, Slater is not going to make it.

 

[Chevy]

If Steve Tasker hasn't made it, Slater is not going to make it.

Tasker is the best comparison to Slater. Gunners - they make tackles, or force returners into tackles. Tasker deserves to be in, no doubt. And right after him is Slater. 10 Pro Bowls, 8 All-Pro (with 5 of them First Team). Yes, I am (as are many here) biased on this. That said, if BB had rated him anything but on par with LT on defense or TB on offense, you could look past it. He didn't. This was not a case of "got to respect the aging player who really did his job", this is a mic-drop statement by one of the best to ever roam the sideline.

 

[captain stone]

Not even relevant to the argument. Returners are completely different from the players who handle contain, make tackles, etc. Shedding blocks and consistently making plays is a skill that clearly goes unnoticed, especially for someone who has done it at both the level and duration he has.

And what plays are those, exactly? You mean running down-field a lot and watching returners make fair catches or eye-ball kicks into the EZ?

Is giving a nice speech considered "making a play" too?

It's a wonder indeed how this franchise won 3 (should've been 5) championships before the man's arrival...

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I'm not sure why there's not a separate wing for guys like Tasker, Slater and Osgood (as good if not better than Slater and from Boaton!) Others too though, they deserve it.

There's so many stories you can look up. Whether it's the Chargers/Rivers, Saints/Brees. ST robbed each and a lot of other QB's of multiple playoff games bc ST was so poor.

Like Cord Patterson and Devin Hester should be walking in the HOF imo. The best punt and kick returners should be an easy one.

I could be 100% wrong I do not follow the HOF closely at all beyond who gets in but I don't believe there's a separate section for the ST guys.

 

[Ian]

And what plays are those, exactly? You mean running down-field a lot and watching returners make fair catches or eye-ball kicks into the EZ?

Is giving a nice speech considered "making a play" too?

You've watched a lot of football, @captain stone - you know the difference special teams guys make.

I get that for some reason we've developed a habit around here of turning our ire at tearing guys down, which I don't really understand but that's certainly become a thing as of recently. But you've seen the guy get double-teamed enough week-in-and-week-out, yet still be among the team lead and in the top half of the NFL in special teams tackles (and be durable over that span) for nearly two decades...that's tough to do.

And leadership obviously matters. People in here get on Bill for running guys out of here and touting the "loss of leadership" being a problem that's "his fault" - yet it's not a big deal for the guys he keeps around. Can't have it both ways, and I don't really understand why people are so angry at Slater. It's a little bizarre.

 

[Ian]

And what plays are those, exactly? You mean running down-field a lot and watching returners make fair catches or eye-ball kicks into the EZ?

Is giving a nice speech considered "making a play" too?

It's a wonder indeed how this franchise won 3 (should've been 5) championships before the man's arrival...

Here are some highlights (you'll have to watch it on YouTube):

 

[1960Pats]

And what plays are those, exactly? You mean running down-field a lot and watching returners make fair catches or eye-ball kicks into the EZ?

Is giving a nice speech considered "making a play" too?

It's a wonder indeed how this franchise won 3 (should've been 5) championships before the man's arrival...

It seems like some fans feel that Slater belongs in the HOF based solely on the words of Bill.

 

[State]

I am disappointed Matthew Slater came back for another year. He appeared to lose a step last year. I suspect his best playing days are behind him. But leadership counts. He’s superb on that. Ian is right.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I am disappointed Matthew Slater came back for another year. He appeared to lose a step last year. I suspect his best playing days are behind him. But leadership counts. He’s superb on that. Ian is right.

Slater's one year deal also only counts about $1M against the cap which is approximately what a successful 5th round pick makes. Slater will be one of the lowest paid players on the 53 according to "cap calculations".

 

[h0c2000]

Goat level moment. Elect to kick in a windstorm in OT with #1 seed on the line.