Pats extend Ja'Whaun Bentley, two years, $18.75 Million

[Wozzy]

Isnt it complementary in the stats you gave as well? So against the better teams its the offenses fault, yet we can praise the defense when they dominate in games?

We can go back to 2021, a year in which they didnt play many great quarterbacks. Vs Brady, Dak, Herbert and Allen

127/201 63%
312 YPG
13/3 TD/INT
101.7 rating
1-4 record

Theyre a really good defense until they play great quarterbacks, its now a trend going on 3 years. How many of them are on the schedule this year?

The offense sucked balls… stop trying to get cute.

 

[All3Phases]

The offense sucked balls… stop trying to get cute.

The offense sucked balls all year brother, so why are you giving out defensive stats in the first place?

In 2021 and 2022, they were bad against elite qbs, you will have to beat those consistently to be a super bowl competitive team...you understand that right?

 

[Real fan 02]

Matt Flynn deserves a nod

Jimmy glass gets honorable mention

 

[Wozzy]

The offense sucked balls all year brother, so why are you giving out defensive stats in the first place?

In 2021 and 2022, they were bad against elite qbs, you will have to beat those consistently to be a super bowl competitive team...you understand that right?

Because if you give up the third fewest points in the league, create the 3rd most sacks and 2nd most turnovers in the entire NFL despite having an abomination of an offense it means your defense is exceptional.

You pretended you understood complementary football… you don’t.

 

[Sicilian]

Isnt it complementary in the stats you gave as well? So against the better teams its the offenses fault, yet we can praise the defense when they dominate in games?

We can go back to 2021, a year in which they didnt play many great quarterbacks. Vs Brady, Dak, Herbert and Allen

127/201 63%
312 YPG
13/3 TD/INT
101.7 rating
1-4 record

Theyre a really good defense until they play great quarterbacks, its now a trend going on 3 years. How many of them are on the schedule this year?

Imagine an MMA fighter who's really good, one of the best in his sport. Now tie his left hand behind his back. He's still going to be good enough to beat most of the people he's up against, because he's that good. But put him up against someone who's just as good, and that left hand is suddenly a major hinderance.

The Patriots defense is one of the best in the league. They were hamstrung by an offense that couldn't get out of its own way. Against middling teams, it was fine, they could win that way. But against good teams, where the offense is just as good as the Patriots defense, that hamstringing was too much to overcome. And this wasn't some fundamental flaw with the Patriots specifically. EVERY defense struggles against good offenses if their own offense can't stop going 3 and out. That's complimentary football. It's why people still blame the defense in Super Bowl 46 even though they only gave up 21 points. There were too many extended drives and the offense never really had a chance to get in rhythm.

It's just the flip side of that.

 

[All3Phases]

Because if you give up the third fewest points in the league, create the 3rd most sacks and 2nd most turnovers in the entire NFL despite having an abomination of an offense it means your defense is exceptional.

But the offense sucked balls, how did the defense still perform well for a majority of the year?

You pretended you understood complementary football… you don’t.

I fully understand it, but what I really understand is your hypocrisy here. You are the first person to puff their chest over how good the defense was last year statistically...And then when I narrow the defensive performance down to show their play against certain qbs...You say the offense sucked...Either youre talking about the defense or not, you cant have it both ways. The offense was bad from week 1 thru week 17

 

[Wozzy]

But the offense sucked balls, how did the defense still perform well for a majority of the year?

What?

I fully understand it, but what I really understand is your hypocrisy here. You are the first person to puff their chest over how good the defense was last year statistically...And then when I narrow the defensive performance down to show their play against certain qbs...You say the offense sucked...Either youre talking about the defense or not, you cant have it both ways. The offense was bad from week 1 thru week 17

Their season long stats are what they are.

The Patriots three largest point totals allowed the entirety of last season our offense turned the ball over 4, 3 and 4 times… but you think that’s irrelevant.

Again… tell me you know nothing about football while pretending you do.

 

[All3Phases]

Imagine an MMA fighter who's really good, one of the best in his sport. Now tie his left hand behind his back. He's still going to be good enough to beat most of the people he's up against, because he's that good. But put him up against someone who's just as good, and that left hand is suddenly a major hinderance.

The Patriots defense is one of the best in the league. They were hamstrung by an offense that couldn't get out of its own way. Against middling teams, it was fine, they could win that way. But against good teams, where the offense is just as good as the Patriots defense, that hamstringing was too much to overcome. And this wasn't some fundamental flaw with the Patriots specifically. EVERY defense struggles against good offenses if their own offense can't stop going 3 and out. That's complimentary football. It's why people still blame the defense in Super Bowl 46 even though they only gave up 21 points. There were too many extended drives and the offense never really had a chance to get in rhythm.

It's just the flip side of that.

Both can be true, they do have a very good defense, and their faults and weaknesses are exposed by great qbs. I am not sure the dropoff with other teams is as great as the Patriots when they destroy lesser competitive vs struggle with most great qbs, but im am sure overall their statistics drop off.

 

[All3Phases]

What?

You gave the statistics on the defense now multiple times, praising them. Didnt the offense suck balls in games you are covering in those stats

The Patriots three largest point totals allowed the entirety of last season our offense turned the ball over 4, 3 and 4 times… but you think that’s irrelevant.

Again… tell me you know nothing about football while pretending you do.

I am not saying the offense doesnt factor into the stats, you are just eliminating one group of statistics because of the offense, while giving out your own stats with the EXACT SAME OFFENSE. You are essentially saying the Defense can only perform well when the offense plays well. Thats how you want to judge your team? 7 game sample last year, 5 game sample the year before. How many great qbs are they playing this year?

 

[Steve102]

It's no secret flying from sideline to sideline and twitchy in space movement is not Bentley's game.

In a perfect world Mapu becomes Bob Sanders and if that happens we will win the AFC.

 

[Wozzy]

You gave the statistics on the defense now multiple times, praising them. Didnt the offense suck balls in games you are covering in those stats

What?

I am not saying the offense doesnt factor into the stats, you are just eliminating one group of statistics because of the offense, while giving out your own stats with the EXACT SAME OFFENSE. You are essentially saying the Defense can only perform well when the offense plays well. Thats how you want to judge your team? 7 game sample last year, 5 game sample the year before. How many great qbs are they playing this year?

They’re not “my stats” genius, they’re team defense stats. The defense forced three turnovers against Joe Burrow, unfortunately our offense couldn’t do **** with those three extra possessions.

Please stop…

 

[All3Phases]

What?

Being intentionally oblivious?

They’re not “my stats” genius, they’re team defense stats. The defense forced three turnovers against Joe Burrow, unfortunately our offense couldn’t do **** with those three extra possessions.

You used statistics to make a claim the Patriots defense was great. I narrowed down the filter and your response was that the offense sucked. Yet it was the same offense in your sample as well. Cant have it both ways. Also, yes burrows stats are included in the stats I gave you.

 

[Wozzy]

Being intentionally oblivious?

You’re not making sense… i’m literally getting dumber trying to understand you.

You used statistics to make a claim the Patriots defense was great. I narrowed down the filter and your response was that the offense sucked. Yet it was the same offense in your sample as well. Cant have it both ways. Also, yes burrows stats are included in the stats I gave you.

Please stop being a hypocrite

So you’re genuinely slow… got it.

 

[All3Phases]

You’re not making sense… i’m literally getting dumber trying to understand you.

Unfortunately I do, was the offense good in 2022 or not? Simply yes or no question

So you’re genuinely slow… got it.

You can try to erase their struggles from your brain to cope with the reality, or you can just accept the fact that theyve struggled mightily against good competition the last couple years.

 

[50-yard-line]

Small Sample Size and cherry-picking games is yet another way to torture statistics into telling you whatever you want to hear.
They gave up 20 points to the Dolphins WITH Tua, and lost, then gave up 21 without Tua and won - but that one doesn't count for some reason to post "0-7."
Both games against the Bills were late in the year - the first one, their offense totally sucked and they lost, giving up 24 points to a great offense.

The second one was played without half their secondary. Dugger was hurt, Mills was hurt, in a game that meant nothing.
Context matters regarding defense. So does an offense that isn't turning the ball over repeatedly, can't stay on the field for more than one series, sucks in time of possession, etc.
Good NFL offenses will score. Period. The game has changed. The Patriots have a really good defense, that looks like it might be even better this year. If their offense can actually put some drives together and some TDs, not FGs, on the board, they can beat a lot of teams, even good ones. And they're getting much younger and much faster. Building a really solid core.


Back to the topic, I like the extension a lot. Bentley is getting better every year and he wants to play here. He should benefit as much as anyone on the team if Gonzo, Mapu, and the Joneses hold up as expected. The price is right for this extension, as for Parker (who I'm sure have lots of game availability bumps).

Now extend Dugger and Onwenu and Uche, if possible - I' put them in order of my expectation that they will resign here.

 

[Wozzy]

Unfortunately I do, was the offense good in 2022 or not? Simply yes or no question

You can try to erase their struggles from your brain to cope with the reality, or you can just accept the fact that theyve struggled mightily against good competition the last couple years.

I can’t teach you football in a few posts, I certainly can’t when you’re too slow to realize when you’re wrong.

Go look at any professional football periodical that ranks 2022 defenses… Mina Kimes just called them a top three defense the other day. It’s one thing the entire football watching world agrees upon, along with the Matt Patricia offensive experiment was an unmitigated flaming dumpster fire….

Except you, an unrepentant negative nancy… one of the few geniuses on Patriot forums who argue everything Patriots is bad.

Sounds legit…

 

[Wozzy]

Joe Burrow was the best QB the Patriots faced last season. The Pat’s D forced three turnovers and held the Bengals offense to the 4th lowest scoring total of their season.

The Patriots offense that day… their first seven drives ended in a punt. All seven drives lasted 5 plays or less.

All3Phases interpretation of the game… the Patriots defense struggled against a great QB. Mind numbing…

 

[All3Phases]

I can’t teach you football in a few posts, I certainly can’t when you’re too slow to realize when you’re wrong.

Go look at any professional football periodical that ranks 2022 defenses… Mina Kimes just called them a top three defense the other day. It’s one thing the entire football watching world agrees upon, along with the Matt Patricia offensive experiment was an unmitigated flaming dumpster fire….

Overall their defense is very good, Ive stated that multiple times. They have been bad vs elite qbs for 2 years, factually.

Except you, an unrepentant negative nancy… one of the few geniuses on Patriot forums who argue everything Patriots is bad.

I just said theyre a very good defense with a major flaw, relating it to the upcoming schedule.

 

[All3Phases]

Joe Burrow was the best QB the Patriots faced last season. The Pat’s D forced three turnovers and held the Bengals offense to the 4th lowest scoring total of their season.

Those stats are included in my sample, thanks for repeating, Id argue Josh Allen is better though. Notice you only go back to Burrow, I gave you a 7 game sample.

Why did the defense play great vs the Jets and colts? Despite being dysfunctional on offense in all 3 games?

The Patriots offense that day… their first seven drives ended in a punt. All seven drives lasted 5 plays or less.

All3Phases interpretation of the game… the Patriots defense struggled against a great QB. Mind numbing…

Your interpretation is that you dont care if they struggle against good competition, I didnt drop my standards, you clearly did. Its easier for you to not be hard on the team each week and year when you lower your standards, I know your type. Let me guess, each offseason they can be contenders, then after the year theyre rebuilding? Did I nail it? I think i did!

 

[All3Phases]

Small Sample Size and cherry-picking games is yet another way to torture statistics into telling you whatever you want to hear.
They gave up 20 points to the Dolphins WITH Tua, and lost, then gave up 21 without Tua and won - but that one doesn't count for some reason to post "0-7."
Both games against the Bills were late in the year - the first one, their offense totally sucked and they lost, giving up 24 points to a great offense.

Nobody has said the offense doesnt contribute to the losses. Again, theyre 1-11 over the last 2 years against qbs id consider the better in the league at the time of playing. Is that a coincidence? Maybe

In the 7 games in my sample from earlier they allowed 28.2 PPG
in the 10 games against lesser qbs they allowed 14.9 PPG

The second one was played without half their secondary. Dugger was hurt, Mills was hurt, in a game that meant nothing.

That was very much not a meaningless game at kickoff, we can also just look at their play against the Bills the last 2 years if you dont like last year?

Context matters regarding defense. So does an offense that isn't turning the ball over repeatedly, can't stay on the field for more than one series, sucks in time of possession, etc.

So does the context matter when they dominate back up qbs? Doesnt seem like it

Good NFL offenses will score. Period. The game has changed. The Patriots have a really good defense, that looks like it might be even better this year. If their offense can actually put some drives together and some TDs, not FGs, on the board, they can beat a lot of teams, even good ones. And they're getting much younger and much faster. Building a really solid core.

I agree with you overall about their defense, this year they are playing a ton of great qbs as it appears, so its something worth talking about.