Jack Jones News Update Thread

[Patsgofor4]

Quite honestly, it seems to me that he has a very weak defense. We are only at the arraignment and his counsel has already admitted that there were 2 guns in a bag belonging to Jones.

"He had no intention of bringing any guns into Logan Airport that day" and "I expect that the evidence is going to show he had no knowledge of what was going on” are not exactly the most reassuring alibis....

Maybe read her full statement more carefully. She never admits that the guns belong to JJ, or that he put them in his carry-on.

 

[Real fan 02]

Yeah, assuming Gonzo works out (which I believe he will), they went from four deep at starting caliber CB (which would be better than most teams) to three deep (which is probably close to league average. It would suck because it was a potential position of strength, but it also shouldn't (barring more bad news) cripple their secondary, especially because of the depth at safety. That might take a small hit though as I'd assume Mills would move back to primarily a CB role if Jack were released/suspended.

Agreed, it just test thier depth.. I'd imagine the rookie CB is it Boutte? He'd have to be in the mix.. sadly this means myles Bryant makes this team...

Gonzo will have his rookie mistakes as they all do.. but the reports on the kid is he's very cerebral and not an error repeater. I'd also imagine another vet is signed in camp for depth reasons. I'll say one guy who flew under the Radar last season was Terrence Mitchell he had a solid camp, and solid preseason. He got hurt in preseason and ended being cut.

But he'd be a nice guy to add for depth.

 

[PatsFan2]

Yeah, assuming Gonzo works out (which I believe he will), they went from four deep at starting caliber CB (which would be better than most teams) to three deep (which is probably close to league average. It would suck because it was a potential position of strength, but it also shouldn't (barring more bad news) cripple their secondary, especially because of the depth at safety. That might take a small hit though as I'd assume Mills would move back to primarily a CB role if Jack were released/suspended.

Seems like a pattern the run in with BB now this one have to really wonder.

 

[TomPatriot]

He isn't getting cut because what he did would simply be a fine in 40 other states. A literal congressman tried to get on a plane twice with a loaded gun and the only punishment he got was a $250 fine.

The Congressman was Madison Cawthorn and he wasn’t even arrested. He was simply given a citation and he paid a fine. He was not re-elected.

People calling for the Pats to cut JJ are being unreasonable. As someone said, another team will snap him up by “giving him a second chance.” Why can’t the Pats do that? I suppose Goody will suspend him.

The Panda Express charges were reduced to a misdemeanor, so it’s his first felony charge afaik. This is the kind of victimless crime that should induce him to do community service, not jail time, especially since he’s in a public position where he might do some good.

 

[Sicilian]

Agreed, it just test thier depth.. I'd imagine the rookie CB is it Boutte? He'd have to be in the mix.. sadly this means myles Bryant makes this team...

Gonzo will have his rookie mistakes as they all do.. but the reports on the kid is he's very cerebral and not an error repeater. I'd also imagine another vet is signed in camp for depth reasons. I'll say one guy who flew under the Radar last season was Terrence Mitchell he had a solid camp, and solid preseason. He got hurt in preseason and ended being cut.

But he'd be a nice guy to add for depth.

I'm more okay with Bryant making the team than most, so that doesn't bother me. I'd rather he has a smaller role than he did last year, and this certainly wouldn't help that, but I think ~30% usage (he was 65 last year) only covering certain slot receivers and playing some safety in a two-high look (where his speed isn't as much of an issue) is fine.

I think the rookie you're thinking of is Isaiah Bolden. Seems to have a good combo of size and speed if I'm remembering correctly, but as a 7th rounder it's hard to get too excited about him yet. One to watch in camp, even if he starts on the PS. The other rookie CB is Ameer Speed, but he's almost certainly a ST only player in 2023 (that's all he did in college).

 

[XLIX]

From reading all the news coverage, I never would have guessed the guns were found in a glock box inside his checked baggage. I thought he was trying to get them thru carry-on security.

And $30k bail? For serious charges? Does that not seem low?

I agree, but I guess he is not seen as a flight risk.

 

[Sicilian]

I agree, but I guess he is not seen as a flight risk.

Which makes sense because (for now) he's still getting paid an NFL salary. That would disappear the moment he decided to flee a court summon.

 

[XLIX]

Maybe read her full statement more carefully. She never admits that the guns belong to JJ, or that he put them in his carry-on.

Yes, I know. But she does admit they were there. He is responsible for his own possessions.

 

[crawhammer]

At this point I still think the team should cut him. These current charges are serious and troubling enough, combined with his prior criminal history, and the prior player conduct that warranted suspension. I would move on from the player already. It'll remove the distraction of the situation as well.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Whether he's ultimately cut or not in the end, it seems likely he'll end up on the Commissioners exempt list for a period of time while things sort out, no?

My understanding, and I could be wrong, is that since the incident is non-violent, and lacks any threat of violence, the Commissioner's exempt list does not apply.

 

[Horace's Ivories]

I don't think Krafty cuts him after the attorney's institutional racism claim.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Yes, I know. But she does admit they were there. He is responsible for his own possessions.

There are photos, eye witnesses, etc. that the guns were there. Why is her admission consequential?

Also I think she admits the guns were in a bag with his initials on it, technically that is not admitting it was his bag. With legal stuff the details are critical.

 

[Patsgofor4]

When it broke the original thread had just been closed because of a..holes like you. Sorry to waste your time with a post of information with no comment from me. It was never posted on this site (on the original thread or any other) - so maybe it might add to any discussion. From my viewpoint it lends to Jack Jones being conscious of the issue of guns and that he is NOT a "thug" and that he should be given a benefit of doubt in that there was no malicious intent to violate any laws nor harm anyone - especially himself !

It was already posted in the original thread. How do I know that for sure? Because I posted it. And I certainly had nothing to do with the original thread being closed. I had/have no interest in contributing to any thug/gun debates.

 

[mike_usagisan]

My understanding, and I could be wrong, is that since the incident is non-violent, and lacks any threat of violence, the Commissioner's exempt list does not apply.

Isn't it the commissioner's list because he does whatever the hell he wants?

 

[rochrist]

If he purchased them in MA via private sale, it's not his responsibility to register the sale. It's the seller's. That's right on the MA Gun Transfer Website.

If he purchased them through an FFL, it's the same and the FFL is at fault for not checking for the moronic Mass License, which in my opinion is a violation of the 24th Amendment and numerous different Court Cases. f

If they were purchased illegally, that's a different story. I said that before.
If he brought them with him from wherever he came from and TSA fubared things, well, who knows.

Now, I am guilty of repeating what the Newspapers claimed in regard to the Mandatory jail time for the mags. Reading the Mass Law, however, it doesn't say that the jail time is mandatory

https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXX/Chapter140/Section131M

That isn't the law that I saw though. WHat I saw was described as 'the illegal carrying of a firearm'.

• Carried a handgun in public. Massachusetts law imposes a mandatory minimum sentence of 18 months in jail or prison for illegally carrying a firearm, even for a first offense. A minimum sentence must be served day-for-day and cannot be suspended.
• Carried a loaded weapon. If you were carrying a loaded firearm without a license, you may be sentenced to an additional 2.5 years in prison after the 18-month mandatory minimum.

 

[javajunky]

Hopefully they dont cut him, let the process play out.. he didnt commit a violent crime, so no sense in losing one of our best young defenders if we can avoid it

in terms of the PR, I just laugh at that... the Patriots have horrible PR all over the NFL Fanbase, right or wrong... so who gives a **** if the same trolls throw this, or deflategate or a million other BS things at us, its not going to move the needle at all in terms of public perception of this team

and you know another contender like KC or Baltimore would scoop him up in a second, and the media would just keep referring to him as "former patriots jack jones" while playing for the new team

no thanks, ill take whatever BS the media wants to throw at us and keep him on the roster.. we cant afford to lose good players, even if they're dumb ones like jack jones

for me, the PR around this would factor in precisely 0.0% in terms of whether he should be cut or not

You're right. We don't know if he was just dumb or criminal, and his life shouldn't be ruined if he was just dumb.

 

[BB8XSBW]

Fill in the Blanc you can take the man out of the_________ but you can't take the __________ out of the man.

You can take the man out of the trousers, but you can't take the Y chromosome out of the man.

 

[XLIX]

There are photos, eye witnesses, etc. that the guns were there. Why is her admission consequential?

Simply from a standpoint of trying to gauge defense strategy.

Also I think she admits the guns were in a bag with his initials on it, technically that is not admitting it was his bag. With legal stuff the details are critical.

Absolutely the details are critical, but one must ask if he has any plausible deniability here.

 

[Brandon_Cox]

I never would have guessed the guns were found in a glock box inside his checked baggage. I thought he was trying to get them thru carry-on security.

The alleged guns were both loaded Glock 9mm pistols, a Glock 43X and Glock 19, according to prosecutors. Seized alongside them were three loaded magazines: a 30-round, a 15-round and 10-round, as well as total of 54 rounds of 9mm ammunition. The guns were allegedly inside an unlocked black Glock handgun box that was itself inside a black duffel bag labeled with the words “UFC” and “Jones, Jack” and in addition to the weapons contained “multiple pairs of white socks and other articles of … men’s clothing.”

The MSP trooper was directed toward a black duffel bag in Terminal B’s security checkpoint’s seventh lane that TSA personnel had identified as containing weapons, according to the police report. The trooper asked Jones if he carried a license for these weapons and Jones allegedly “respectfully declined to speak without an attorney present.”

Patriots cornerback Jack Jones pleads not guilty on weapons charges

Patriots cornerback Jack Jones pleaded not guilty to a medley of firearms-related charges and continues to be released on bail following his arraignment.

www.bostonherald.com

 

[rochrist]

I'm extremely disappointed by the lack of drama here. Why did he hire Guy Fieri?

I was expecting those guys:

Denny Crane!!!