Yet another Brady argument thread

[All3Phases]

A contact offer for the same length and more money does not support “they didn’t offer him close to market value”. You know that. You like to lie.

Yikes, You have 0 idea from the Patriots offer for how much he was going to receive, hence why he wanted guaranteed money. Again, look back at the Revis deal in 2014. The deal can be framed one way, but mean something completely different for the player.

 

[All3Phases]

Right the Patriots offered MORE. For Tampas offer to be better Brady would have had to suck so bad in 2020 that the patriots released him AND no other teams would want him. A 2 year contract for your starting QB is, in reality guaranteed.

Incorrect, you dont know what the structure of the deal was...which is the point. He couldve been set to see a fraction of that when it played out in writing.

But your argument is Brady left because he wanted a longer term contract but when he was offered more than he ended up taking it was bad because he was afraid he couldn’t make it through a year a s no one else would want him.

Why didnt the patriots just make a guaranteed offer? If it was the same money in your opinion, just make it fully guaranteed....You know why? Because it wasnt more

Again, best example is Revis 2/32. How long was he here for and how much did he see. 1yr 12 mil.

 

[Ring 6]

Yikes, You have 0 idea from the Patriots offer for how much he was going to receive, hence why he wanted guaranteed money. Again, look back at the Revis deal in 2014. The deal can be framed one way, but mean something completely different for the player.

It was 2 years 53 million. The only way he doesn’t receive all 53 million is if he gets cut after the first year. That’s a fact.
If he got cut after the first year he could sign with any team and end up getting more than a total of 53 million. So the only way a smaller guaranteed contract is better is if he gets cut after 1 year and no one wants him.
You think that possibility made Tom Brady lose sleep at night. Lolololol

 

[Ring 6]

Incorrect, you dont know what the structure of the deal was...which is the point. He couldve been set to see a fraction of that when it played out in writing.

Why didnt the patriots just make a guaranteed offer? If it was the same money in your opinion, just make it fully guaranteed....You know why? Because it wasnt more

Again, best example is Revis 2/32. How long was he here for and how much did he see. 1yr 12 mil.

It was 2 years 53 million. I’m using your source. That means you get 53 million in 2 years.
Guaranteed money affects the cap accounting.
So now your argument is that everyone knows what happens because reporters said so and the only purported fact you can find us now one that you are saying isn’t real?
You have painted yourself into a corner.
Are reporters the source of fact and truth, or are their reports not reliable? You are arguing both. You’ve been exposed.

 

[All3Phases]

It was 2 years 53 million. The only way he doesn’t receive all 53 million is if he gets cut after the first year. That’s a fact.

Prove it. I can prove that he received 25$ mil in both years once he signed the dotted line in Tampa though.

If he got cut after the first year he could sign with any team and end up getting more than a total of 53 million. So the only way a smaller guaranteed contract is better is if he gets cut after 1 year and no one wants him.

Now youre dealing with projections

You think that possibility made Tom Brady lose sleep at night. Lolololol

I just know its been widely reported that he wanted commitment beyong the first year, and never got that here. So you scoffing at what Brady valued is definitely something

 

[All3Phases]

It was 2 years 53 million. I’m using your source. That means you get 53 million in 2 years.

Why didnt Revis get 32 million over 2 years?

Guaranteed money affects the cap accounting.

It also affects how much money enters the players pocket each year, not sure how youre missing that point

So now your argument is that everyone knows what happens because reporters said so and the only purported fact you can find us now one that you are saying isn’t real?

You have painted yourself into a corner.
Are reporters the source of fact and truth, or are their reports not reliable? You are arguing both. You’ve been exposed.

I havent argued both in any way. You not knowing how contracts can be manipulated is really the missing ingredient in this conversation. Again, why are you avoiding the Revis deal?

 

[Ring 6]

Prove it. I can prove that he received 25$ mil in both years once he signed the dotted line in Tampa though.

Now youre dealing with projections

I just know its been widely reported that he wanted commitment beyong the first year, and never got that here. So you scoffing at what Brady valued is definitely something

Prove what? You are the one saying media reports are unimpeachable. Are you now saying they are BS?

No I am dealing with FACTS. If you sign for 2 years and 53 million if you complete 2 years you get 53 million. If you do not you get 53 million less the second year salary and are free to be paid by another team.

Widely reported? You are now saying reports are not true. No reasonable person would think that Tom Brady would leave a place he wanted to be solely because they didn’t guarantee the second year. There is basically zero chance he doesn’t see the second year and he would make it up on a new contract or get more to be a broadcaster.

 

[All3Phases]

Prove what? You are the one saying media reports are unimpeachable. Are you now saying they are BS?

You just said if Brady signed that contract from the Patriots, hed receive $53 Mil...Im asking you to prove it. I believe they offered him that deal, the details of the deal havent been reported on however.

No I am dealing with FACTS. If you sign for 2 years and 53 million if you complete 2 years you get 53 million. If you do not you get 53 million less the second year salary and are free to be paid by another team.

Do you know the details of the deal? Again, Revis signed a 2 year deal in NE, are you going to explain how he didnt earn 32 mil over 2 years?

Widely reported? You are now saying reports are not true. No reasonable person would think that Tom Brady would leave a place he wanted to be solely because they didn’t guarantee the second year. There is basically zero chance he doesn’t see the second year and he would make it up on a new contract or get more to be a broadcaster.

Jesus

 

[Ring 6]

Why didnt Revis get 32 million over 2 years?

It also affects how much money enters the players pocket each year, not sure how youre missing that point


I havent argued both in any way. You not knowing how contracts can be manipulated is really the missing ingredient in this conversation. Again, why are you avoiding the Revis deal?

Wait do you really not understand that a guaranteed contact and a fulfilled not guaranteed contract for the same $ pay out the same $?

Revis isn’t close to the same thing. Why?
Revis was a free agent
Revis was not a QB
Revis only wanted to come here for 1 year.
Revis did not have bonus money carrying forward which would prohibit cutting him.
Revis insisted on an untenable second year because he wanted to be a free agent and the patriots wanted to spread the cap hit

Explain how the patriots could have “manipulated” that Brady would get 53 mill in 2 years. Explain how he doesn’t get the money unless he is cut after 1 year. Explain why you think Brady would fear being cut after 1 year and not be able to recoup the difference from another team.

 

[Ring 6]

You just said if Brady signed that contract from the Patriots, hed receive $53 Mil...Im asking you to prove it. I believe they offered him that deal, the details of the deal havent been reported on however.

Do you know the details of the deal? Again, Revis signed a 2 year deal in NE, are you going to explain how he didnt earn 32 mil over 2 years?

Jesus

If he plays 2 years on a 2 year 53 mill contract he collects 53 mill.
That’s what your boy reported. 2 years 53 mill.

Revis was released because he wasn’t worth year 2. So your argument is you think Brady feared being cut?

 

[All3Phases]

If he plays 2 years on a 2 year 53 mill contract he collects 53 mill.
That’s what your boy reported. 2 years 53 mill.

Revis was released because he wasn’t worth year 2. So your argument is you think Brady feared being cut?

Revis was not released, it was written into his contract that the team had an option to pick up his 2nd year at 20 mil...They did not...Hence the team has total control of how much money he was going to see. Do you think the team ever had the intention on picking up that 2nd year?

Your argument is now that you know what the Patriots would have done during the duration of a contract you dont know the details of...They wanted to go year by year the previous extensions, why would they want anything different? If they did, guarantee the money...Why didnt they?

 

[All3Phases]

Wait do you really not understand that a guaranteed contact and a fulfilled not guaranteed contract for the same $ pay out the same $?

Revis isn’t close to the same thing. Why?
Revis was a free agent
Revis was not a QB
Revis only wanted to come here for 1 year.
Revis did not have bonus money carrying forward which would prohibit cutting him.
Revis insisted on an untenable second year because he wanted to be a free agent and the patriots wanted to spread the cap hit

Explain how the patriots could have “manipulated” that Brady would get 53 mill in 2 years. Explain how he doesn’t get the money unless he is cut after 1 year. Explain why you think Brady would fear being cut after 1 year and not be able to recoup the difference from another team.

Talk about speculation, wowzers

 

[Ring 6]

Revis was not released, it was written into his contract that the team had an option to pick up his 2nd year at 20 mil...They did not...Hence the team has total control of how much money he was going to see. Do you think the team ever had the intention on picking up that 2nd year?

Your argument is now that you know what the Patriots would have done during the duration of a contract you dont know the details of...They wanted to go year by year the previous extensions, why would they want anything different?

It’s the same thing, neither side ever expected him to play for 20 mill, you know that.

Use your brain. Brady had 13.5 mill in bonus carrying over. A 2 yr 53 mill contract, given the cap position of the team would have needed to include a large signing bonus to push money into 2021. That’s a fact. The only way Brady doesn’t see all the money is if the cut him after 2021 and then they would eat a huge cap hit and have no QB. There is no scenario that is reasonable where Brady doesn’t see both years pay unless he sucks so bad they cut him.
The only way guarantees are the real reason Brady left is if he is so afraid of being cut and no one wanting him that that second year, being paid less than he gets as a broadcaster is so important to him because his 300 million career earnings are just chump change to him.

You are acting like he’s a minimum wage stock boy fighting for guaranteed overtime.

And if it was because the offer wasn’t guaranteed, and he wanted to stay, then when Kraft asked what he could do to keep him, he would ha f said guarantee the contract not “nothing I’m gone”

 

[Ring 6]

Talk about speculation, wowzers

Nothing in there is speculation. It’s all fact and conclusion supported by actions.

 

[All3Phases]

It’s the same thing, neither side ever expected him to play for 20 mill, you know that.

I know the contract said 2/32 and he got 1/12.

Use your brain. Brady had 13.5 mill in bonus carrying over. A 2 yr 53 mill contract, given the cap position of the team would have needed to include a large signing bonus to push money into 2021. That’s a fact. The only way Brady doesn’t see all the money is if the cut him after 2021 and then they would eat a huge cap hit and have no QB. There is no scenario that is reasonable where Brady doesn’t see both years pay unless he sucks so bad they cut him.
The only way guarantees are the real reason Brady left is if he is so afraid of being cut and no one wanting him that that second year, being paid less than he gets as a broadcaster is so important to him because his 300 million career earnings are just chump change to him.

Again, if you know the details of the contract the Patriots offered, please share. We both have no idea what wouldve happened if he signed that deal...What it does do is give the Patriots another year to possibly draft and develop a qb, as Brady got older...You have to admit the team controls his destiny, clearly he didnt want that.

You are acting like he’s a minimum wage stock boy fighting for guaranteed overtime.

Nope I am not, we just know based on reporting, that he valued long term commitment and the Patriots didnt. Clearly

And if it was because the offer wasn’t guaranteed, and he wanted to stay, then when Kraft asked what he could do to keep him, he would ha f said guarantee the contract not “nothing I’m gone”

They had 3 years to negotiate, you again jump to 2019. Also, clearly the Patriots never offered the contract...so how do we know what he wouldve done with that in front of him? If he had that and he declined...Then we would agree, he left

 

[Ring 6]

I know the contract said 2/32 and he got 1/12.

Again, if you know the details of the contract the Patriots offered, please share.

Nope I am not, we just know based on reporting, that he valued long term commitment and the Patriots didnt. Clearly

They had 3 years to negotiate

The details of the contract, per your bastion of the truth, were that Brady would be paid 53 mill over 2 years.
See your issue is you have to accept that or admit that a reporter said so is not anything close to a fact.
If reporting is true then 2/53 is true, you are talking out both sides of your mouth.
Doesn’t matter how long they had if Brady wanted to stay and was leaving because he was afraid he would get cut so needed a guarantee then he says guarantee it when Kraft asks what he needs.
None of the facts line up to support any of you speculation.

 

[All3Phases]

The details of the contract, per your bastion of the truth, were that Brady would be paid 53 mill over 2 years.
See your issue is you have to accept that or admit that a reporter said so is not anything close to a fact.

He said the contract was 2/53, without knowing any of the details...Not sure how that means Brady would be seeing all 53 mil of that based on the reporting. Again, he insinuated the team controlled his fate in the contract. I accept what Howe reported, I also accept it wasnt near the offer from TB.

If reporting is true then 2/53 is true, you are talking out both sides of your mouth.

Incorrect, 2/53 without guarantees is not the same as 2/50 fully guaranteed. You can continue to say Brady shouldnt have been afraid of being cut, thats speculation...He made the declaration that he wanted to play until he was 45 for how long? At 43, if an injury occurs and they replace him like Bledsoe...How is his career ending without the large chunk of money in year 2 of the deal? Again, we have no idea what wouldve happened, we do know the money wasnt guaranteed

Doesn’t matter how long they had if Brady wanted to stay and was leaving because he was afraid he would get cut so needed a guarantee then he says guarantee it when Kraft asks what he needs.
None of the facts line up to support any of you speculation.

Why didnt they offer a multi year guaranteed deal after the 2017 or 2018 season? They were afraid of his age and committing money to him, clearly...Its why they went year to year with the extensions. You think after 2 years of that, they felt like guaranteeing him 50 mil for 2 years?

 

[Ring 6]

He said the contract was 2/53, with knowing none of the details...Not sure how that means hes seeing all 53 mil of that. Again, he insinuated the team controlled his fate in the contract. I accept what Howe reported, I also accept it wasnt near the offer from TB.

Incorrect, 2/53 without guarantees is not the same as 2/50 fully guaranteed. You can continue to say Brady shouldnt have been afraid of being cut, thats speculation...He made the declaration that he wanted to play until he was 45 for how long? At 43, if an injury occurs and they replace him like Bledsoe...How is his career ending without the large chunk of money in year 2 of the deal? Again, we have no idea what wouldve happened, we do know the money wasnt guaranteed

Why didnt they offer a multi year guaranteed deal after the 2017 or 2018 season? They were afraid of his age and committing money to him, clearly...Its why they went year to year with the extensions. You think after 2 years of that, they felt like guaranteeing him 50 mil for 2 years?

Nothing you say is consistent with anything else you say.

You claim something a reporter says is reliable and fact even when they aren’t reporting it as fact. Then when it’s inconvenient to your agenda, you say the reporting isn’t accurate.

You say it was about guarantees, but once you realize for a 2 year contact in his situation there is really no difference, it’s that he wanted to play until 4( even though he signed a 2 year contract.

Now you veer to an injury, as if Tom Brady needed the money so badly he left the place he wanted to be because he couldn’t survive without getting paid to not play if he was injured.
If he wanted to be here he wouldn’t have cared.
If he wanted to be here he would have told Kraft give me 2/50 guaranteed.
He didn’t.
He walked.
After he collided with a division opponent.
If he wanted to be here why was he colluding with Miami months after winning the SB?

He agreed to contracts talking him through 2019. I have no clue why you are talking about years he agreed to contracts for.
It’s like you just want to ignore everything that is fact and argue made up scenarios that are totally inconsistent with actions.

You can’t have nothing better to do than create make believe ideas trying to convince someone who deals in facts that facts don’t matter.

 

[All3Phases]

Nothing you say is consistent with anything else you say.

You claim something a reporter says is reliable and fact even when they aren’t reporting it as fact. Then when it’s inconvenient to your agenda, you say the reporting isn’t accurate.

What is inconvenient to my agena? His reporting, along with others, aligns with what I have been saying.

Brady wanted long term deal for years
Didnt get one, accepted one year deals instead
Finally made the team grant him free agency in 2019 for leverage
Team never offered him a market deal for an MVP caliber qb, and never matched it.

Thats what Howe said, Curran said, Gasper said

You say it was about guarantees, but once you realize for a 2 year contact in his situation there is really no difference, it’s that he wanted to play until 4( even though he signed a 2 year contract.

You saying its no different doesnt mean Howe, Brady or me believe it. Theres a reason they didnt want to commit the money, if its no difference, then they wouldve.

Now you veer to an injury, as if Tom Brady needed the money so badly he left the place he wanted to be because he couldn’t survive without getting paid to not play if he was injured.
If he wanted to be here he wouldn’t have cared.
If he wanted to be here he would have told Kraft give me 2/50 guaranteed.
He didn’t.
He walked.
After he collided with a division opponent.
If he wanted to be here why was he colluding with Miami months after winning the SB?

Havent veered into anything, Im saying anything could have happened in those years where he ended up not playing for the team in year 2...Clearly, thats not what he wanted, whether you think thats horrid reasoning on Bradys part or not.

 

[Ring 6]

What is inconvenient to my agena? His reporting, along with others, aligns with what I have been saying.

Brady wanted long term deal for years
Didnt get one, accepted one year deals instead
Finally made the team grant him free agency in 2019 for leverage
Team never offered him a market deal for an MVP caliber qb, and never matched it.

Thats what Howe said, Curran said, Gasper said

You saying its no different doesnt mean Howe, Brady or me believe it. Theres a reason they didnt want to commit the money, if its no difference, then they wouldve.

Havent veered into anything, Im saying anything could have happened in those years where he ended up not playing for the team in year 2...Clearly, thats not what he wanted, whether you think thats horrid reasoning on Bradys part or not.

He agreed to them, doesnt mean he was happy with them...right? Again, look at the reporting. How many reporters need to say he coveted a long term deal.

The fact that they offered him more money than Tampa, and the fact that the guarantees were basically meaningless conflict with your agenda. The fact that he chose to leave, and would not give an answer about what it took to stay conflict with your agenda. The fact that he was negotiating with a division rival while under contract conflicts with your agenda.

The patriots concern was structuring the deals so they could remain on top. If you are arguing Brady wanted to ensure he’s be paid for years after he could play, I just don’t believe you.

Your circular argument is that since Brady left and you think he didn’t want to despite every logical conclusion adding up to he chose to leave that whatever you invent as the reason was clearly why he left, because he left.


Facts are he chose to leave.
In order to argue otherwise you have to enact all of the logically ignorant mental gymnastics so you can say “see I assume he left because if x and he left so x is true”.
I’m not sure what is funnier, how out of touch with reality you have stayed or the fact that you just keep digging a deeper hold because you must have the last word.
Entertaining at least. ,