Yet another Brady argument thread

[All3Phases]

Other than....
The Brady McMansion being on the market for a year
The wife interviewing schools in multiple states
The moving truck emptying the McMansion at seasons end
Brady *****ing a moaning about the lack of talent and his personal misery
And (I'm projecting) after serving a decade-plus sentence, a wife fervently demanding extraction away from the Housewives of Brookline

Sure...why not
What ever gets you through your night terrors

As an alternative coping mechanism, have you considered a comfort dog?

How easy would it have been to offer the best player in the sports history a market value contract after he asked for multiple years?

 

[Ring 6]

Do you think Brady, at some point including any time in 2019, would have turned down 3 or 4 years guaranteed, for example?

Offered more money, I think Drew would have taken it and gone.

I have no way of reading their minds but their actions were the opposite.

 

[Ring 6]

You keep skipping 2 years of negotiations, why? Pretty important to the entire story.

Of course you think it’s important because it’s an unknown dynamic which allows you to pretend it happened in the way that supports your narrative.

 

[All3Phases]

Of course you think it’s important because it’s an unknown dynamic which allows you to pretend it happened in the way that supports your narrative.

You can pretend its unknown, yet every credible beat reporter in the area has the same info...Did they all just make it up?

Kind of like last offseason where you refused to believe every beat reporter, back to the original point

But yes, I think skipping random years is important, you dont read a book and start on the last page, do you?

 

[Ring 6]

You can pretend its unknown, yet every credible beat reporter in the area has the same info...Did they all just make it up?

Kind of like last offseason where you refused to believe every beat reporter, back to the original point

But yes, I think skipping random years is important, you dont read a book and start on the last page, do you?

No you are making up that statement and it is not correct.

Kind of like last off season when I was right.

Brady chose to leave. That’s a fact, no matter how much you want to dance around and pretend it’s not true. Why would so hard? It was the best move for both him and the team, it worked out fine.

 

[All3Phases]

No you are making up that statement and it is not correct.

Which statement did I make up here?

Kind of like last off season when I was right.

Ya you definitely looked right, offense was exactly the same as previous years. Not simplified in any way

Brady chose to leave. That’s a fact, no matter how much you want to dance around and pretend it’s not true. Why would so hard? It was the best move for both him and the team, it worked out fine.

You can believe that all you want, I believe if they offered him the contract he wanted, then he wouldve been here, based on all the sourcing that we have at our disposal. We know that they never matched TBs offer in the end. Why?

 

[Ring 6]

Which statement did I make up here?

Ya you definitely looked right, offense was exactly the same as previous years. Not simplified in any way

You can believe that all you want, I believe if they offered him the contract he wanted, then he wouldve been here, based on all the sourcing that we have at our disposal. We know that they never matched TBs offer in the end. Why?

1) your entire statement
2) go ahead and show me the plays they ran that were not part of the offense before last year. You can’t. Exactly as I said they were doing they changed things within the framework of the offense just as they do every year.
3) There is no “sourcing” of how the process went. Brady was seeking out division rivals while under contract. Brady said “no there is nothing you can do to keep me here”. Facts vs “I believe”.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

How easy would it have been to offer the best player in the sports history a market value contract after he asked for multiple years?

Kraft & Belichick were doing nothing to cause him to want to stay here or imagine they wanted him to stay here.

 

[All3Phases]

1) your entire statement

Point to something that I made up

2) go ahead and show me the plays they ran that were not part of the offense before last year. You can’t. Exactly as I said they were doing they changed things within the framework of the offense just as they do every year.

You scoffed at the idea that the offense was being simplified for the coaches...which turned out to be 100% true

3) There is no “sourcing” of how the process went. Brady was seeking out division rivals while under contract. Brady said “no there is nothing you can do to keep me here”. Facts vs “I believe”.

You again, skip all the way to 2019, when in reality, 2017 and 2018 were huge parts of the story. Multiple reporters have that sourcing, no idea why you completely ignore that.

Howe, Curran, Bedard, Gasper, the list goes on, all cited that he wanted a multiple year guaranteed offer from the Patriots dating back to the offseason after he won MVP...He never received that offer. Offseason after 17 and 18. You pick up the story after the 19 season, where both sides were at the peak of their odds with each other. Still, the team never offered him the same offer as TB. How much did they want him?

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Other than....
The Brady McMansion being on the market for a year
The wife interviewing schools in multiple states
The moving truck emptying the McMansion at seasons end
Brady *****ing a moaning about the lack of talent and his personal misery
And (I'm projecting) after serving a decade-plus sentence, a wife fervently demanding extraction away from the Housewives of Brookline

Sure...why not
What ever gets you through your night terrors

As an alternative coping mechanism, have you considered a comfort dog?

The point is that Kraft didn't and was never going to do anything. Robert's mantra is "This is the way we do things and nothing and no one in the universe is causing me to reconsider."

Tom HAD to get away. Because he was driven out. Just like Parcells.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Point to something that I made up

You scoffed at the idea that the offense was being simplified for the coaches...which turned out to be 100% true

You again, skip all the way to 2019, when in reality, 2017 and 2018 were huge parts of the story. Multiple reporters have that sourcing, no idea why you completely ignore that.

Howe, Curran, Bedard, Gasper, the list goes on, all cited that he wanted a multiple year guaranteed offer from the Patriots dating back to the offseason after he won MVP...He never received that offer. Offseason after 17 and 18. You pick up the story after the 19 season, where both sides were at the peak of their odds with each other. Still, the team never offered him the same offer as TB. How much did they want him?

They did not want him. They say the opposite. It's why Robert and Bill get along so well.

 

[Ring 6]

Point to something that I made up

You scoffed at the idea that the offense was being simplified for the coaches...which turned out to be 100% true

You again, skip all the way to 2019, when in reality, 2017 and 2018 were huge parts of the story. Multiple reporters have that sourcing, no idea why you completely ignore that.

Howe, Curran, Bedard, Gasper, the list goes on, all cited that he wanted a multiple year guaranteed offer from the Patriots dating back to the offseason after he won MVP...He never received that offer. Offseason after 17 and 18. You pick up the story after the 19 season, where both sides were at the peak of their odds with each other. Still, the team never offered him the same offer as TB. How much did they want him?

Your entire argument is made up. There absolutely was not reporting of the details of negotiations that were the same facts from every writer that followed the team.

I said the offense wasn’t being changed. It wasn’t. How they used parts if the offense within its framework changed like it did every year. And no they didn’t simplify it for coaches, that’s moronic.

I don’t think you understand the words you are using, so what do you mean by “sourcing”. There was no reported facts of what was offered it negotiated.

Surely if that weee the case you would be able to show articles based upon fact not speculation rumor or rumblings. But you can’t. You do not know how it evolved. We do know he agreed to and signed contracts until he didn’t.
Your argument amounts to Brady being afraid that he would get cut and no one would want him so he needed to run to any team that would guarantee him less money than will now be paid as an analyst. There is no logic that this would be Brady’s concerns, only a backdoor conclusion to support an agenda.
Brady left, Brady was negotiating his way out, colluding with a division rival while still under contract. Those are facts. Your “beliefs” don’t hold up even if you can find people who wrote articles that made the same guess.

 

[Ring 6]

Kraft & Belichick were doing nothing to cause him to want to stay here or imagine they wanted him to stay here.

Yeah just winning.

 

[All3Phases]

Your entire argument is made up. There absolutely was not reporting of the details of negotiations that were the same facts from every writer that followed the team.

Ok, if you want to believe this...Id suggest reading anything Howe, Gasper or Curran wrote at the time

I said the offense wasn’t being changed. It wasn’t. How they used parts if the offense within its framework changed like it did every year. And no they didn’t simplify it for coaches, that’s moronic.

You are the one person on the planet that believes this

I don’t think you understand the words you are using, so what do you mean by “sourcing”. There was no reported facts of what was offered it negotiated.

Surely if that weee the case you would be able to show articles based upon fact not speculation rumor or rumblings. But you can’t. You do not know how it evolved. We do know he agreed to and signed contracts until he didn’t.
Your argument amounts to Brady being afraid that he would get cut and no one would want him so he needed to run to any team that would guarantee him less money than will now be paid as an analyst. There is no logic that this would be Brady’s concerns, only a backdoor conclusion to support an agenda.
Brady left, Brady was negotiating his way out, colluding with a division rival while still under contract. Those are facts. Your “beliefs” don’t hold up even if you can find people who wrote articles that made the same guess.

Attached is Howes article from 2020. Ignore the highlights. Keep in mind this is aligns with multiple other credible writers that cover the Patriots. Coincidence? Again, please show me a contract offer from the Patriots that matches this, and we can agree he willingly left

 

[Ring 6]

Ok, if you want to believe this...Id suggest reading anything Howe, Gasper or Curran wrote at the time

You are the one person on the planet that believes this

Attached is Howes article from 2020. Ignore the highlights. Keep in mind this is aligns with multiple other credible writers that cover the Patriots. Coincidence? Again, please show me a contract offer from the Patriots that matches this, and we can agree he willingly left

I’ve read what was written and there was no factual reporting of negotiations just rumor. Yes, many writers make the same guesses or steal each others. That adds up to nothing.

Anyone who paid attention and knows what they were seeing agree with me. If you disagree please pull out some examples of plays and concepts that were foreign to the offense before last year.

How’s speculation does not support your argument, in fact it explains how they AGREED TO A CONTRACT and further, speculates that Brady was offered more by the Patriots than he got from Tampa, something which I believe you have argued was never reported.

 

[Ring 6]

Facts are that he wanted multi year guaranteed deals and they didnt offer that to him, denied for multiple offseasons in a row leading to the events in 2019. Offering WAY below market value for an elite player is not wanting them

You just cited an article as fact that they offered him more than he signed with Tampa for.

 

[All3Phases]

I’ve read what was written and there was no factual reporting of negotiations just rumor. Yes, many writers make the same guesses or steal each others. That adds up to nothing.

Yes, all writers guess the same exact info at the same exact time, and nobody has refuted it since. Solid logic

Anyone who paid attention and knows what they were seeing agree with me. If you disagree please pull out some examples of plays and concepts that were foreign to the offense before last year.

How’s speculation does not support your argument, in fact it explains how they AGREED TO A CONTRACT and further, speculates that Brady was offered more by the Patriots than he got from Tampa, something which I believe you have argued was never reported.

Ring, do you understand how contracts work? Clearly not judging by this response. I told you to show me a contract offer from NE, that matches what the Bucs gave Brady. You cannot, because it doesnt exist.

It certainly does support my argument, he wrote about Brady yearning for a long term deal previously and the Patriots never committing to him...Same thing that Curran wrote, same thing that Gasper wrote...etc etc.

Why did Tom Brady walk away from Patriots, Bill Belichick after 20 years?

Do we want to do “blame” or do we want to do “reasons”? We can do both but — out of respect for the end of the greatest run by any franchise in NFL history — I’d rather lay off the blame for why Tom Brady is no longer a Patriot. Let’s stick to reasons. One thing, though? Tom Brady didn’t “decide”…

www.nbcsports.com

 

[All3Phases]

You just cited an article as fact that they offered him more than he signed with Tampa for.

Ring, do you know what guaranteed Money is? Clearly not. The second Brady signed the Tampa deal, he was guaranteed to earn 50 Mil over 2 years. That is not what the Patriots offered, clearly. And Howe ended the link I wrote saying the exact same thing. Not sure how you blatantly misinterpreted that

Same way Revis signed a 2/32 Mil deal here in 2014...How long was he here for and how much money did he see?

 

[Ring 6]

Ring, do you know what guaranteed Money is? Clearly not. The second Brady signed the Tampa deal, he was guaranteed to earn 50 Mil over 2 years. That is not what the Patriots offered, clearly. And Howe ended the link I wrote saying the exact same thing. Not sure how you blatantly misinterpreted that

Same way Revis signed a 2/32 Mil deal here in 2014...How long was he here for and how much money did he see?

Right the Patriots offered MORE. For Tampas offer to be better Brady would have had to suck so bad in 2020 that the patriots released him AND no other teams would want him. A 2 year contract for your starting QB is, in reality guaranteed.
But your argument is Brady left because he wanted a longer term contract but when he was offered more than he ended up taking it was bad because he was afraid he couldn’t make it through a year a s no one else would want him.

No wonder you think gossip columnists opinions are facts.

Btw if every one of them said the exact same things please quote each of the others “reporting” 2 years 53 mill.

 

[Ring 6]

Yes, all writers guess the same exact info at the same exact time, and nobody has refuted it since. Solid logic


Ring, do you understand how contracts work? Clearly not judging by this response. I told you to show me a contract offer from NE, that matches what the Bucs gave Brady. You cannot, because it doesnt exist.

It certainly does support my argument, he wrote about Brady yearning for a long term deal previously and the Patriots never committing to him...Same thing that Curran wrote, same thing that Gasper wrote...etc etc.

Why did Tom Brady walk away from Patriots, Bill Belichick after 20 years?

Do we want to do “blame” or do we want to do “reasons”? We can do both but — out of respect for the end of the greatest run by any franchise in NFL history — I’d rather lay off the blame for why Tom Brady is no longer a Patriot. Let’s stick to reasons. One thing, though? Tom Brady didn’t “decide”…

www.nbcsports.com

A contact offer for the same length and more money does not support “they didn’t offer him close to market value”. You know that. You like to lie.