DRAFT Chad Ryland - Round 4 - 112th overall

[JarOfMayo51]

Moody was ranked 87 spots higher than Ryland. How is that anywhere close to "virtually the same"?

when you're talking prospects in the late 200ish rankings, its virtually all the same and becomes more about preference

kickers don't get weighed heavily against other draft prospects.. 49ers used a 3rd rounder just to make sure they could get the #1 on their board, so the Pats used one of their four 4th rounders and one of their four 6th rounders to get the next best kicker available

we had 12 picks, i didnt want them to pick as many players as they did and would have preferred they traded up more in the 3rd and 4th rounds since i have a feeling we'll lose some of our draft picks to other teams when we try to move them to our practice squad

if Ryland becomes an NFL quality kicker, then the 4th and 6th round pick used to get him are like a drop in the bucket, it is tremendous value.. kickers can last 15-20 years in the league too

 

[PatsFan2]

when you're talking prospects in the late 200ish rankings, its virtually all the same and becomes more about preference

kickers don't get weighed heavily against other draft prospects.. 49ers used a 3rd rounder just to make sure they could get the #1 on their board, so the Pats used one of their four 4th rounders and one of their four 6th rounders to get the next best kicker available

we had 12 picks, i didnt want them to pick as many players as they did and would have preferred they traded up more in the 3rd and 4th rounds since i have a feeling we'll lose some of our draft picks to other teams when we try to move them to our practice squad

if Ryland becomes an NFL quality kicker, then the 4th and 6th round pick used to get him are like a drop in the bucket, it is tremendous value.. kickers can last 15-20 years in the league too

Nick Folk is 38 at that age they can fall off the effective playing cliff.

 

[rochrist]

No, sticking with Mac at QB may be a "franchise crushing decision" but nothing about this draft is going to kill the team.

Maybe Ryland will be good, maybe not, but trading up for him in the 4th round was unnecessary at least. Jake Moody seemed to be the consensus top K prospect but there's no indication Ryland was a lock to be the second K taken and there was no indication he would be taken as high as the 4th round. Some publications had him as an UDFA. I suppose he has a big leg but he also missed half of his FG attempts over 50 yards last season.

"Ryland transferred to Maryland in 2022, finishing his stint at Eastern Michigan as their all-time leading scorer with 309 points.[10] In his only season at Maryland, he appeared in every game and was named second-team all-conference after converting 19-of-23 field goal attempts, including being 3-for-6 on attempts of over 50 yards.[6][11][12]"

"Has connected on a field goal of 50 yards or longer each of the past five years. Connected on over 50% of his field goals from 50+ yards throughout his college career."

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Eastern Michigan also called on Ryland to kick field goals of at least 50 yards a handful of times over his four years there. He made 6-of-9 50-plus-yard field goals, with a career-long of 55 yards.

After four seasons at Eastern Michigan, Ryland transferred to Maryland. He had another strong year in 2022, making 19 of 23 field goal attempts, including 3-of-6 on attempts of at least 50 yards. He also made 39-of-40 extra-point attempts.

Ryland impressed scouts with his big leg during the pre-draft process. After performing well at the Senior Bowl, Ryland showed off his leg at Maryland’s Pro Day in late March by making a 59-yard kick."

“Big-time leg,” Senior Bowl director Jim Nagy said of Ryland in a tweet. “He’ll be kicking on Sundays next fall. Teams that need one know.”

 

[JarOfMayo51]

Nick Folk is 38 at that age they can fall off the effective playing cliff.

he was drafted in 2007, so he's been playing for 16 years

 

[JackBauer]

Chad Ryland Draft and Combine Prospect Profile | NFL.com

All Combine and Draft-Related Analysis, News, Video, and Biographical Information for Chad Ryland

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NFL.com gave him a prospect grade of 5.60 ("Candidate for bottom of roster or practice squad"). They didn't assign him a potential draft round, meaning they thought he would be an UDFA.

Chad Ryland 2023 NFL Draft Profile, Stats, and Projections | NFL Mock Draft Database

Explore Chad Ryland's 2023 NFL Draft profile, including scouting reports, combine stats, mock draft projections, and team fits. See where Chad Ryland, K, is projected to be drafted.

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The NFL Mock Draft Database had him as a projected UDFA. He was the 273rd overall ranked player. The Patriots traded up for him at 112.

Oh wow, that settles it then. Lord knows all 32 teams follow NFL.com rankings with religious fervor.

 

[crawhammer]

Oh wow, that settles it then. Lord knows all 32 teams follow NFL.com rankings with religious fervor.

It does settle it. You said I was making it up that Ryland was a projected UDFA. I gave you two sources. You want more? How many so I can meet your quota?

"Ryland transferred to Maryland in 2022, finishing his stint at Eastern Michigan as their all-time leading scorer with 309 points.[10] In his only season at Maryland, he appeared in every game and was named second-team all-conference after converting 19-of-23 field goal attempts, including being 3-for-6 on attempts of over 50 yards.[6][11][12]"

"Has connected on a field goal of 50 yards or longer each of the past five years. Connected on over 50% of his field goals from 50+ yards throughout his college career."

"
Eastern Michigan also called on Ryland to kick field goals of at least 50 yards a handful of times over his four years there. He made 6-of-9 50-plus-yard field goals, with a career-long of 55 yards.

After four seasons at Eastern Michigan, Ryland transferred to Maryland. He had another strong year in 2022, making 19 of 23 field goal attempts, including 3-of-6 on attempts of at least 50 yards. He also made 39-of-40 extra-point attempts.

Ryland impressed scouts with his big leg during the pre-draft process. After performing well at the Senior Bowl, Ryland showed off his leg at Maryland’s Pro Day in late March by making a 59-yard kick."

“Big-time leg,” Senior Bowl director Jim Nagy said of Ryland in a tweet. “He’ll be kicking on Sundays next fall. Teams that need one know.”

Show me a quote from anyone who projected Ryland as a 4th rounder. I already knew his stats.

 

[Wozzy]

It does settle it. You said I was making it up that Ryland was a projected UDFA. I gave you two sources. You want more? How many so I can meet your quota?


Show me a quote from anyone who projected Ryland as a 4th rounder. I already knew his stats.

Pre-draft rankings… according to who?

The same media idiots who told us Ghost was a bad pick because he was a kicker or Duggar was a bad pick because he went to a division two school.

Team boards look nothing like Mel Kiper’s board. Kiper’s board had people believing Malik Willis deserved a first round grade and then laughably we watched him sit there undrafted for three rounds and when he finally did play he looked ridiculously bad.

 

[crawhammer]

Pre-draft rankings… according to who?

The same media idiots who told us Ghost was a bad pick because he was a kicker or Duggar was a bad pick because he went to a division two school.

Team boards look nothing like Mel Kiper’s board. Kiper’s board had people believing Malik Willis deserved a first round grade and then laughably we watched him sit there undrafted for three rounds and when he finally did play he looked ridiculously bad.

Did I say anything about Mel Kiper?

Can you name anyone... a team executive from anywhere for example... who projected Ryland as a 4th round pick? And what other team(s) was sitting there in the 4th round ready to pounce on Ryland? That Belichick felt so compelled to trade up for him?

 

[Love The Drake]

Did I say anything about Mel Kiper?

Can you name anyone... a team executive from anywhere for example... who projected Ryland as a 4th round pick? And what other team(s) was sitting there in the 4th round ready to pounce on Ryland? That Belichick felt so compelled to trade up for him?

It’s cause Niners traded up for their kicker.
I saw an article that Lynch said he was sure Bill was taking a kicker in the fourth.
So when The Pats top kicker came off the board they pivoted/panicked and went for Ryland.
It will be interesting to compare the two kickers career.

 

[rochrist]

It does settle it. You said I was making it up that Ryland was a projected UDFA. I gave you two sources. You want more? How many so I can meet your quota?


Show me a quote from anyone who projected Ryland as a 4th rounder. I already knew his stats.

Evidently you didn't since you said he missed more than half his 50+ kicks last year.

 

[crawhammer]

Evidently you didn't since you said he missed more than half his 50+ kicks last year.

Nice try but I said he missed half of his FG attempts over 50 yards last season. He missed 3 of 6... that's half.

So when The Pats top kicker came off the board they pivoted/panicked and went for Ryland.

So you're saying we traded up for a K in the 4th round because Belichick panicked. Just clarifying. Because that's even worse than how I characterized it.

 

[Love The Drake]

Nice try but I said he missed half of his FG attempts over 50 yards last season. He missed 3 of 6... that's half.


So you're saying we traded up for a K in the 4th round because Belichick panicked. Just clarifying. Because that's even worse than how I characterized it.

Yeah I think Bill had kicker and punter as a need.
I don’t necessarily agree that Bill and Moody over Ryland.
But as soon as a kicker came off the board he went to go get what he perceived as a need.

With Folks age and the Jag we signed as Punter I think we all knew that Bill had special Teams at the top of his wish list.

 

[Sfpat]

Belichick didn't have to trade up for Ryland in the 4th round. Nothing will change that. And after that 3rd round reach for Mapu when they passed up on Josh Downs and Darnell Washington. Ugh.

By the way, Gostkowski had an absolute killer missed PAT in the 2015 AFCCG. His best contribution to the 28-3 comeback was another missed PAT... it mathematically put the team in a better spot, needing 2-pt conversions to tie the game (more reliable than his "clutch" postseason kicking).

BB traded ahead of Green Bay. Green Bay later drafted a kicker. I trust you can see the connection.

 

[Ring 6]

Again, I think they traded up to get ahead of Green Bay, another team that badly needed a kicker. The Pats missed out on Moody in the third round and traded to get ahead of GB in the 4th to take the next best kicker (in the Pats' view).

Would you have preferred they used the pick that went to Jake Andrews rather than giving up the 6th? Is it the trade that's bothering you?

Stop Mr ****oneverythingpatriotsrelated has decried they didn’t need to trade up. He has a crystal ball.

 

[Wozzy]

Did I say anything about Mel Kiper?

Can you name anyone... a team executive from anywhere for example... who projected Ryland as a 4th round pick? And what other team(s) was sitting there in the 4th round ready to pounce on Ryland? That Belichick felt so compelled to trade up for him?

You're propping up your entire specious argument based on media rankings for draft prospects... not team rankings.

You have absolutely no clue where team executives rank prospects... none. Nobody does outside of those teams.

They don't announce who they like for a reason, it's a lottery. That I have to explain that to you is absurd.

Kickers score points, points win or lose games, points are important... therefore, kickers are important.

 

[Ring 6]

In front of the entire world BB trades up for a probable UDFA kicker in the 4th round and I'm making a fool of myself on PatsFans.com. lol

Don’t sell yourself short you’ve made a fool of yourself here many other times, not understanding this topic is just one example.

 

[crawhammer]

BB traded ahead of Green Bay. Green Bay later drafted a kicker. I trust you can see the connection.

You're implying GB was going to take Ryland in the 4th round. You have confirmation of that? Or you're just making things up to protect BB?

GB also took a K at the end of the 6th round. Which is fine. Ryland is not worth trading up for in the 4th round.

You have absolutely no clue where team executives rank prospects... none. Nobody does outside of those teams.

So media rankings and team executive rankings are nowhere close to being similar? Is that your argument? I mean you say you have no clue where team executives actually rank prospects. So I don't see how you jumped to your conclusion.

Kickers score points, points win or lose games, points are important... therefore, kickers are important.

No **** Wozzy. But QB, WR, TE, RB, OL, DL, LB, DB are all more important. Sorry but trading up for a K in the 4th round is dumb. Or as someone else astutely pointed out... Belichick panicked.

Don’t sell yourself short you’ve made a fool of yourself here many other times, not understanding this topic is just one example.

The topic is the 4th round selection of Ryland. WTF do you think I'm talking about? And the fool here is you if you think this was a brilliant move by BB. Could have had Ryland or another similar K prospect in a later round.

 

[Sfpat]

This is why everyone argues with you. Stop being so smarmy and thinking you're the smartest guy here. Hitting people over the head with your lack of knowledge isn't going to get people to change their mind.

Had to correct your post.

I trust that Crawhammer will one day realize that all of these pre-draft rankings are meaningless for the most part and primarily based on speculation, especially after the top 20-50, and need to be taken with a grain of salt. I use the CBS Draft Prospect Rankings to follow the draft, primarily to see how far off they are in their rankings and this draft was all over the board. Throughout the draft, players are picked 50,100, 150 slots +/- their ranking. For example, Minnesota took Mekhi Blackmon, ranked 284, with pick 101. The pick before, SF took Latu the Alabama TE ranked 228. And of course, a few picks earlier SF took Moody ranked 316. The Jets took a player ranked 52 at 13 (it's the Jets). Jacksonville took Ventrel Miller, ranked 336 with pick 121 and so on ad nauseum.

Whether the Pats could have gotten Ryland without trading up one will never know but the evidence suggests otherwise as the Pats traded to get in front of Green Bay who later drafted a kicker. It wasn't a secret that the Pats would want to draft a kicker and once Moody was gone, Ryland was probably next on NFL teams ranking. One can presume that if the Pats thought Ryland was the next best kicker that GB would believe the same. I tend to believe NFL teams actions over draftnik's speculation.

You're implying GB was going to take Ryland in the 4th round. You have confirmation of that? Or you're just making things up to protect BB?

GB also took a K at the end of the 6th round. Which is fine. Ryland is not worth trading up for in the 4th round.

Whoa, that's a strong statement from someone who pollutes this board with wild statements with no backing whatsoever. How about you provide some confirmation to the crap you spout. I assume you have interviewed every GM and seen every draft board to back up your crazy positions. And I gave reasoning and logic above as to why GB would have taken Ryland though you posted the above before I finished.

I'm not one to make personal attacks on a message board as I have better things to do with my life, but you act like a spoiled 12 year old who always has to get his way. Chill out, make your point (once) then move on. We learned thousands of posts ago that you hate BB and Mac (with no backup). Show us your film study to back up your assessment on Mac. Show us your comparison of BB vs. other GMs. Provide evidence. Preferably, give your BB/Mac hatred a rest and try to bring a positive contribution (i.e. some insightful observations) to this board. My statement above about your lack of knowledge is proven with every post you make.

 

[Love The Drake]

Had to correct your post.

I trust that Crawhammer will one day realize that all of these pre-draft rankings are meaningless for the most part and primarily based on speculation, especially after the top 20-50, and need to be taken with a grain of salt. I use the CBS Draft Prospect Rankings to follow the draft, primarily to see how far off they are in their rankings and this draft was all over the board. Troughout the draft, players are picked 50,100, 150 slots +/- their ranking. For example, Minnesota took Mekhi Blackmon, ranked 284, with pick 101. The pick before, SF took Latu the Alabama TE ranked 228. And of course, a few picks earlier SF took Moody ranked 316. The Jets with took a player ranked 52 at 13 (it's the Jets). Jacksonville took Ventrel Miller, ranked 336 with pick 121 and so on ad nauseum.

Whether the Pats could have gotten Ryland without trading up one will never know but the evidence suggests otherwise as the Pats traded to get in front of Green Bay who later drafter a kicker. It wasn't a secret that the Pats would want to draft a kicker and once Moody was gone, Ryland was probably next on NFL teams ranking. One can presume that if the Pats thought Ryland was the next best kicker that GB would believe the same. I tend to believe NFL teams actions over draftnik's speculation.


Whoa, that's a strong statement from someone who pollutes this board with wild statements with no backing whatsoever. How about you provide some confirmation to the crap you spout. I assume you have interviewed every GM and seen every draft board to back up your crazy positions. And I gave reasoning and logic above as to why GB would have taken Ryland though you posted the above before I finished.

I'm not one to make personal attacks on a message board as I have better things to do with my life, but you act like a spoiled 12 year old who always has to get his way. Chill out, make your point (once) then move on. We learned thousands of posts ago that you hate BB and Mac (with no backup). Show us your film study to back up your assessment on Mac. Show us your comparison of BB vs. other GMs. Provide evidence. Preferably, give your BB/Mac hatred a rest and try to bring a positive contribution (i.e. some insightful observations) to this board. My statement above about your lack of knowledge is proven with every post you make.

The second the kid makes a big clutch kick the pick should and will be celebrated by all.
The kid has gotten better each year and our staff had eyes on him for the senior bowl.
I wouldn’t doubt he was the the top kicker on our board even.

 

[JackBauer]

It does settle it. You said I was making it up that Ryland was a projected UDFA. I gave you two sources. You want more? How many so I can meet your quota?


Show me a quote from anyone who projected Ryland as a 4th rounder. I already knew his stats.

That sound you heard was the point flying over your head.