PFT: Bill "has shopped" Mac

[One-If-By-Sea]

Bill backed Cam Newton always in 2020. Whereas with Mac , he has been iffy and refusing to commit .

When somebody asked are you trading brady, he said are you joking ? Why do you need to keep quiet and allow assumptions and conjectures? How can you not back your first rounder qb ?

He has not played abysmally to be dropped within 2 seasons when 2nd season regression was completely bills fault. Honestly Mac should be irritated with Bill for whatever happened in 2022 and not the other way round . Bill did not trust Mac and set him up for failure in 2022 .

Honestly, if this is bills way of lighting a fire in Mac's belly, I don't agree. At some point , the competitor in Mac is going to feel that his boss doesn't care about him and is just looking to see where he could possibly fail. Better to cut losses and move out rather than jeopardize career under a boss who doesn't seemingly like/approve of you.

Mac has to win the starting job. BB does not care about Mac meaning BB will start Mac even if Bailey beats him out of the job. Brady beat Bledsoe and won the job. Bledsoe only needed BB to care for him? What are you talking about? This is football. Nut up dude.

 

[Grogan14]

Macs 3 biggest supporters last year are all gone (Harris, Myers and Hoyer). That is not a coincidence

 

[Toofy]

It is not clear to me BB is pissed at Jones. Curran reported the BB denied the whole trade Mac BS. And BB is not going to declare Mac the starter because Mac has to win the job. Why do people think BB is pissed because he wants Mac to earn the starter's job? That is not pissed, that is being a fair good coach.

There is so much conjecture and guessing in your post, and you write like it is a fact. It would be nice if you could see both sides of the coin, or at least make an attempt to see both sides.

Bill backed Cam Newton always in 2020. Whereas with Mac , he has been iffy and refusing to commit . When somebody asked are you trading brady, he said are you joking ? Why do you need to keep quiet and allow assumptions and conjectures? How can you not back your first rounder qb ? He has not played abysmally to be dropped within 2 seasons 2hen 2nd season was the coaches fault. Honestly Mac should be irritated with Bill for whatever happened in 2022 and not the other way round . Honestly, if this is bills way of lighting a fire in Mac's belly, I don't agree. At some point , the competitor in Mac is going to feel that his boss doesn't care about him and is just looking to see where he could fail. Better to cut losses and move out rather than jeopardize career under a boss who doesn't seemingly like/approve of you.

Mac has to win the starting job. BB does not care about Mac meaning BB will start Mac even if Bailey beats him out of the job. Brady beat Bledsoe and won the job. Bledsoe only needed BB to care for him? What are you talking about? This is football. Nut up dude.

Why did bill change tunes for cam ... He was resolute despite the kind of season cam had.

As for Mac, his competition is zappe . Why can't you commit and show some confidence in your 2nd year QB who was having a whale of first season which was torpedoed into medicority by Bills stupid decision .

And to expect your QB to put up with it because the coach won six Superbowls with Tom Brady . Bill at this age is more in the decline rather than upswing . So any QB who is looking to make a mark would be irritated with bills decision unless you are a fourth rounder or below who suddenly gets a chance to start .

First rounders are expected to start and become franchise QB. If they fail because of their issues fine, but when it's so obvious that the fault lies in coaching, I am sorry bill lost his lifeline and it's not fair to expect Mac to put up with whatever decisions bill takes when it's plain obvious that it is to the detriment of the team and QB .

 

[VJCPatriot]

Anyone wonder why Adam Jones is a clown? Exhibit A. "I know Michael Felger. I have listened to Michael Felger for years. And you sir are no Michael Felger".

Well if Mac Jones beat out Bryce Young in a QB competition for the starting job at Alabama... that's pretty darn good competition considering that Young is slotted to go #1 overall in the draft. Just saying...

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Bill backed Cam Newton always in 2020. Whereas with Mac , he has been iffy and refusing to commit . When somebody asked are you trading brady, he said are you joking ? Why do you need to keep quiet and allow assumptions and conjectures? How can you not back your first rounder qb ? He has not played abysmally to be dropped within 2 seasons 2hen 2nd season was the coaches fault. Honestly Mac should be irritated with Bill for whatever happened in 2022 and not the other way round . Honestly, if this is bills way of lighting a fire in Mac's belly, I don't agree. At some point , the competitor in Mac is going to feel that his boss doesn't care about him and is just looking to see where he could fail. Better to cut losses and move out rather than jeopardize career under a boss who doesn't seemingly like/approve of you.

Why did bill change tunes for cam ... He was resolute despite the kind of season cam had.

As for Mac, his competition is zappe . Why can't you commit and show some confidence in your 2nd year QB who was having a whale of first season which was torpedoed into medicority by Bills stupid decision .

BB is committed to the NE Patriots, not Mac Jones. Not hard to understand. No idea why you think BB should "feel" good for Mac. Mac has to earn the starting job.

And to expect your QB to put up with it because the coach won six Superbowls with Tom Brady . Bill at this age is more in the decline rather than upswing . So any QB who is looking to make a mark would be irritated with bills decision unless you are a fourth rounder or below who suddenly gets a chance to start .

Mac has to earn his position here or on any other team. Put up with what? You are off the edge. This is not about BB, it is about Mac earning his starting job, but now it is obvious why you think BB should be nice to Mac - your BB hate is leaking through.

First rounders are expected to start and become franchise QB. If they fail because of their issues fine, but when it's so obvious that the fault lies in coaching, I am sorry bill lost his lifeline and it's not fair to expect Mac to put up with whatever decisions bill takes when it's plain obvious that it is to the detriment of the team and QB .

You are now in full excuse mode for Mac and hate mode for BB. Too bad you can not let the QB competition play out and see what happens, but you have to "hate" instead.

 

[The Boston Patriot]

Off seasons are always difficult. This one is shaping up to be an epic and never ending dumpster fire on this forum.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

Macs 3 biggest supporters last year are all gone (Harris, Myers and Hoyer). That is not a coincidence

I am sure BB was mad when he found out that Mac was going outside the team. I am equally sure he would not have waited until this year to do something about it. Mac's demeanor changed after his sideline hissy fit with MP. No doubt a little discussion with BB was the reason. Even if BB was still mad at Mac he would make a change with that player and not take it out on the rest of the roster. All three of these players were question marks being on the 2023 roster coming into the offseason. Contracts, performance and injuries were bigger factors than supporting Mac. Judon has supported Mac, he is still on the team.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I see both sides of the coin. Have you?

I have not seen Curran saying Belichick actually denied it.

It was posted twice.

When he issues a denial, he usually runs to the Boston Globe. That is his favorite place to deny stories.

Agreed. I think it was more a comment to Curran versus a formal denial.

And it is clear he is mad a Jones.

This is conjecture. Too bad your writing technique does not reflect the facts.

He has given tepid at best responses to any question about Jones when he used to give full throated endorsements of Cam Newton. Even when Newton was god awful, Belichick repeatedly stated Newton was the starter and he wasn't considering a QB switch. During the entire Zappe thing, he refused to say that Jones was the starter except for the upcoming game.

When Cam was his starter he said so. Mac has to compete with Bailey for the starting job, so BB is saying that. Why is that a problem? Mac has to show some maturity and compete for the QB job during his 3rd year in the league. No harm in that. What is the problem?

If you cannot see how he is treating Mac Jones far different than he did Newton or Brady or Matt Cassel the year he started for Brady, you are the one who isn't seeing both sides of the coin.

I see that Mac is being asked to compete for the QB job with Bailey during his third year in the league. No harm in that. Matt Cassell during a partial season? You are really stretching things. The BB hate will soon appear. Competition is not a bad thing. I am glad that Bledsoe had to compete with Brady.

 

[Bill Lee]

Maybe we should have a moratorium where all media members who cover football are forced to take vacation between free agency and the draft to avoid the need to produce content when nothing is going on.

Indeed, this would help provide even more time we can use to break down Tampa's last few seasons.

 

[moosekill]

Macs 3 biggest supporters last year are all gone (Harris, Myers and Hoyer). That is not a coincidence

THis is a really stupid take. The three biggest supporters were free agents and went elsewhere where they were paid more money. No one thought Harris was coming back, everyone thought Hoyer was burnt toast, and we were split on whether or not Myers warranted another much larger contract. We had two rookie running backs specifically brought in because Harris was often injured and on the last year of his contract.

 

[Bill Lee]

Macs 3 biggest supporters last year are all gone (Harris, Myers and Hoyer). That is not a coincidence

Feel free to draw your own conclusions, but:
Harris: Injury prone, at a position that's easy to find younger, healthier prospects
Meyers: Replaced at a similar price point by someone better at YAC
Hoyer: Old, concussion history, outlived his usefulness

 

[Real fan 02]

Jones isn’t trash. Belichick just has personality problem with him and seems to be trying to purge anyone who openly questioned his decision to destroy the offense last year.

This situation has started to turn even the most loyal BB supporters. Shannon Sharpe is one of BBs biggest supporters & even he was agreeing that BB is wrong here, and has ego and character conflict with those who oppose him.

At this point if things can't get resolved then we can all agree there will be a change...

 

[Love The Drake]

Feel free to draw your own conclusions, but:
Harris: Injury prone, at a position that's easy to find younger, healthier prospects
Meyers: Replaced at a similar price point by someone better at YAC
Hoyer: Old, concussion history, outlived his usefulness

Macs 3 biggest supporters last year are all gone (Harris, Myers and Hoyer). That is not a coincidence

I said the same thing.
Once publicly Mac and Meyers said they hope they are together the rest of their careers.
Watch what Bill does.

 

[pats_premi]

I’ve got to cut back on the drinking, I must have blanked out and the missed the time when Mac became a superstar QB.

 

[moosekill]

I’ve got to cut back on the drinking, I must have blanked out and the missed the time when Mac became a superstar QB.

Mac Brady, Goat, how dare Bill not just give him the starting job, what a ****ing travesty.

 

[Rob0729]

It was posted twice.

Agreed. I think it was more a comment to Curran versus a formal denial.

This is conjecture. Too bad your writing technique does not reflect the facts.

When Cam was his starter he said so. Mac has to compete with Bailey for the starting job, so BB is saying that. Why is that a problem? Mac has to show some maturity and compete for the QB job during his 3rd year in the league. No harm in that. What is the problem?

I see that Mac is being asked to compete for the QB job with Bailey during his third year in the league. No harm in that. Matt Cassell during a partial season? You are really stretching things. The BB hate will soon appear. Competition is not a bad thing. I am glad that Bledsoe had to compete with Brady.

Several things.

Cassel basically played for an entire season.

Bledsoe and Brady never competed for the starting job. Bledsoe was the anointed starter in 2001. When he went down and by the time he came back, Brady was on a roll and Belichick never considered going back.

I don't think there is a real QB competition. If Jones is on the roster, unless they trade for a legitimate top 5 QB like Lamar Jackson or Jones completely falls on his face or Zappe has an incredible jump in year two, Jones will be the starter in 2023. If Belichick benches Jones for Zappe, I think Kraft will want some significant proof that Zappe is clearly better for the switch.

 

[moosekill]

Several things.

Cassel basically played for an entire season.

Bledsoe and Brady never competed for the starting job. Bledsoe was the anointed starter in 2001. When he went down and by the time he came back, Brady was on a roll and Belichick never considered going back.

I don't think there is a real QB competition. If Jones is on the roster, unless they trade for a legitimate top 5 QB like Lamar Jackson or Jones completely falls on his face or Zappe has an incredible jump in year two, Jones will be the starter in 2023. If Belichick benches Jones for Zappe, I think Kraft will want some significant proof that Zappe is clearly better for the switch.

You mean like watching Zappe play last season?

 

[Rob0729]

This situation has started to turn even the most loyal BB supporters. Shannon Sharpe is one of BBs biggest supporters & even he was agreeing that BB is wrong here, and has ego and character conflict with those who oppose him.

At this point if things can't get resolved then we can all agree there will be a change...

The problem for Belichick is that Belichick is a short term solution for this team right now. At his age, there is no guarantee that he will be the head coach here for more than two seasons even if he is successful. Jones could potentially still be the QB for the next decade. Not so sure that Kraft would side with Belichick in a divorce. Kraft has already said to NFL Network that Mayo is the potential heir apparent to Belichick (only published on their website, but didn't release the video although Bedard was there and can attest to him saying it on camera). And Kraft has never even slightly entertained a head coach after Belichick before.

 

[sb1]

Several things.

Cassel basically played for an entire season.

Bledsoe and Brady never competed for the starting job. Bledsoe was the anointed starter in 2001. When he went down and by the time he came back, Brady was on a roll and Belichick never considered going back.

I don't think there is a real QB competition. If Jones is on the roster, unless they trade for a legitimate top 5 QB like Lamar Jackson or Jones completely falls on his face or Zappe has an incredible jump in year two, Jones will be the starter in 2023. If Belichick benches Jones for Zappe, I think Kraft will want some significant proof that Zappe is clearly better for the switch.

I think there will be a competition. If it's the same Zappe from last year, Jones will win the job easily.

Obviously if the Patriots do something unexpected like trade for Lamar or move up for one of the top rookie QBs then all bets are off.

 

[libra957]

The good news is we haven't missed the playoffs yet for next season.