PFT: Bill "has shopped" Mac

[BUSTAMOVE]

Hah - if I were a lawyer, I would've realized yesterday that several technically means more than 2 or a few but not many.

Not sure about the canaries part. It's still before the draft, and a lot of teams are going to want to keep their cards close to the vest and deny deny deny. I don't know what's going on with the Pats, though.

I just think it is all nonsense.
Or long shot. BB with no intentions of trading Mac (only because there is no value right now) but taking a shot across Mac’s bow for going outside the Organization and trying to light a fire under him. That is a long shot but my deranged brain goes a little wild at times
My Quess. The only trade on draft night is we get Jeudy

 

[Ian]

Of course I would be. I want him to become great. And if he can't become great, I want Zappe to become great.

And etc.
Because I want my hometown teams to become great, always. And unlike Boston sports "journalists," I'm happy that the Bruins are kicking ass and Pasternak is lighting up opposing teams' nets, and happy that the Celtics have a shot at a title...


Being a fan - and actual, rooting, cheering, appreciative of the good times fan - is a joy.

You should try it sometime.

This post epitomizes everything I think I've tried to say at various points but you've put it far more eloquently. Excellent post.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

So florio just said some made up bs then?

yup, and despite it being refuted by multiple credible reporters we still have people on this forum running with Florio's BS because it fits their agenda

 

[JarOfMayo51]

37 pages of comments about something that didn't happen lol

same arguments being made my the exact same people, ad nauseum

Time for the thread ignore

 

[jboston19]

So your saying they called and said do you want Lamar?

No, just gamesmanship. Kraft said their qb wants to come to Foxboro, so the ravens may have stirred up some negative controversy for the Pats in turn. Not a hill I’ll die on, but makes sense to me.

 

[Wozzy]

The Bucs already had the most passing attempts and highest passing% in football in 2021 with Arians. As a result they ranked 1st in offensive DVOA and 1st in offensive EPA/Play. They didn't "revert back to a passing team", they threw the ball exactly as much as they did the year prior when their offense was great. Injuries to the OL, not replacing Gronk and Brown adequately, the worst running game in football, terrible play calling, the most EPA lost on dropped passes and Tom not being willing to stand in the pocket to get hit while halfway retired is what made them drop off offensively. Nothing to do with play selection.

Not to mention Brady ranked second in the league in pass attempts in 2020 as well, not like they ever had this super balanced approach to offense there.

I didn't say anything about 2021. I said they became a more balanced run team prior to the playoffs and it made them better. They led the entire postseason in rushing attempts and yards after being near dead last in the regular season.

After Arians was pushed out, that was 2022, the Bucs went back to be being ranked 32nd in the entire NFL in rushing attempts... dead last. They won 8 games.

Being one dimensional isn't smart, also letting the inmates run the asylum by letting a player, no matter how great, be the de facto offensive coordinator was not smart. A QB is always going to want to pass, always. Arians was the voice of reason on that squad, once he was gone there was none.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

Maybe we should have a moratorium where all media members who cover football are forced to take vacation between free agency and the draft to avoid the need to produce content when nothing is going on.

 

[Wozzy]

They built up a 30+ point lead on the Lions by dropping back to pass 30 times and rushing 12 in the first half, then they ran the ball to end it. First game against Atlanta? 50 dropbacks and 16 rushes. Second Atlanta game? 47 dropbacks to 17 rushes. The only game with an equal play calling divide was the one against Minnesota, and even then they got the ball up 23-14 with 9 minutes left in the game and that's when they burned clock with 6 rushes and 3 kneeldowns versus 3 passing attempts. That's their "run first" approach during the four game winning streak to close the season? Lol.

They also rushed for over a hundred yards in all but one of those games, those games were also against a bunch of tomato can defenses. I said they became a rushing team in the playoffs. They led the entire postseason in rushing attempts and attempts per game... you can dance around that all you want, it doesn't make it any less factual.

 

[Wozzy]

Playoffs:
Pass yards: 1024
Rush yards: 490
Pass TD: 10
Rush TD: 2 (excluding Brady's)

They basically stopped passing in the SB after the first half as they were up big and D was killing them.

Rush first team is something like the Titans. Playoff Lenny is a nice nickname and he was good but does not mean they were actually a run first team.

Playoff Lenny had 89, 55, 63, 93 yards on 16, 12, 17 and 19 rushes. Brady had 29, 36, 33, 40 attempts. The lowest was in SB after they stopped passing.

As for your nice stats, Bucs played 4 games which was at least 1 game more than all other teams. Most played 1 or 2.

None of that is run first. Yes the running game picked up from early in the season but to say run first is lazy at best.

They led the entire postseason in rushing attempts and attempts per game. No matter how you dance, it won't change the facts.

 

[Wozzy]

LOL!! Totally. ****ing. Wrong.

2021 Bucs passing game with Brady & Arians = 5316 yards & 43 TDs

2022 Bucs passing game with Brady & toilet bowles = 4694 yards & 25 TDs

2021 Bucs rushing attempts = 385
2022 Bucs rushing attempts = 386

Reverted back to a "passing only offense"??

Same number of rushing attempts.
Back to back seasons of NFL record setting passing attempts for Brady.

The Bucs were a passing offense, with and without Arians. The only real difference from 2021 to 2022 is about 25 pounds of fat in Fournette's midsection and a pile of **** for a running game, which effectively made the offense one dementional.

If you had bothered to pay attention to the Bucs season, so perhaps you could speak intelligently about it, then you would be aware that they would have won only 3 games if not for Brady's last minute passing game heroics.

I said the postseason. But in the 2022 regular season Tom led the entire NFL in passing attempts and the Buc's were dead last in rushing attempts. The Bucs attempted an NFL postseason low 12 rushing attempts in their first round exit. Those are facts.

In 2021 postseason they probably could have run more, but they still ran more than 2022.

Broken down it looks like this, Buc's postseason rushing attempts per game:

2020: 30.2 attempts
2021: 22.5 attempts
2022: 12 attempts

Yeah...

Totally. ****ing. Wrong.

But not.

 

[moosekill]

By the way I think we can kiss Hopkins away without 100 percent guarantee who the QB will be how can we sell him over KC or Buff?

He isn't a free agent and has no say in where he goes.

 

[Wozzy]

He isn't a free agent and has no say in where he goes.

Agreed, there is a chance he gets cut outright though if Arizona simply wants a salary dump.

 

[Rob0729]

If Zappe can run it better, I expect he’ll have full opportunity to get the starting job. If Zappe does win the starting job, then the trade Mac talk will become a lot more real than it feels right now.

If he can run it better. That is a big if. It is an unlikely if.

 

[Rob0729]

One thing I don't get is why Belichick is being so adversarial to Jones. His future is tied to Jones. If Jones fails this year and the team fails to make the playoffs again, Belichick will be gone too. If Belichick trades away Jones and he doesn't make the playoffs, he is fired.

It seems that Kraft is firmly behind Jones. Odds are Kraft will not sign off on a Jones trade without a viable replacement. That isn't Zappe and a high draft pick rookie. That would mean getting Lamar Jackson or another top QB. I am not sure Kraft would accept a Garoppolo trade since he would be a short term rebuild solution.

It seems pretty clear that Jones will be here this upcoming season and Belichick's future with the team is tied to his success or failure. If I was Belichick, I would be doing everything to put Jones in the best position to succeed and that would be not creating a controversy that he wants to get rid of Jones and saying the QB job is an open competition. But unfortunately, this is in line with the incredible missteps Belichick has been making in recent years. He has done everything possible over the last year and a half to ruin Mac Jones.

 

[crawhammer]

Of course I would be. I want him to become great. And if he can't become great, I want Zappe to become great.

And etc.
Because I want my hometown teams to become great, always. And unlike Boston sports "journalists," I'm happy that the Bruins are kicking ass and Pasternak is lighting up opposing teams' nets, and happy that the Celtics have a shot at a title...


Being a fan - an actual, rooting, cheering, appreciative of the good times fan - is a joy.

You should try it sometime.

************, heart warming speak. But unfortunately 'wanting' doesn't make reality. In reality, Pastrnak is having a great season and the Bruins are kicking ass. Tatum is a stud and the Celtics have a great shot at a title. Mac hasn't been great, he hasn't shown us anything to believe he can be great, and possibly the HC/GM doesn't believe in him either. Mac's trending down, not up. Zappe's mostly an unknown, although I liked what I briefly saw of him last season, but I'm skeptical he can ever be "great" with that noodle arm.

I thoroughly appreciated the good times for the Patriots but I can also acknowledge when it's been less than good and I can recognize a team that's in a less than favorable spot because they're questionable at the most important position while being in a conference otherwise loaded with upper tier quarterback talent. That's a problem, so you can either face it or stick your head in sand and wave your pompoms around.

 

[Wozzy]

One thing I don't get is why Belichick is being so adversarial to Jones. His future is tied to Jones. If Jones fails this year and the team fails to make the playoffs again, Belichick will be gone too. If Belichick trades away Jones and he doesn't make the playoffs, he is fired.

It seems that Kraft is firmly behind Jones. Odds are Kraft will not sign off on a Jones trade without a viable replacement. That isn't Zappe and a high draft pick rookie. That would mean getting Lamar Jackson or another top QB. I am not sure Kraft would accept a Garoppolo trade since he would be a short term rebuild solution.

It seems pretty clear that Jones will be here this upcoming season and Belichick's future with the team is tied to his success or failure. If I was Belichick, I would be doing everything to put Jones in the best position to succeed and that would be not creating a controversy that he wants to get rid of Jones and saying the QB job is an open competition. But unfortunately, this is in line with the incredible missteps Belichick has been making in recent years. He has done everything possible over the last year and a half to ruin Mac Jones.

Tough love. Maybe Mac needs to nut up and become a man.

 

[WinstonSmith]

This stuff is part-and-parcel with the media BS.

Indulging a ridiculous, unknowable claim that’s bombastic, controversial, and generates a lot of attention. This is something, verbatim, that would probably come out of F&M’s mouths.

Before voluntary OTAs, before mandatory OTAs, before minicamp, before training camp, before a single joint practice or preseason game, let alone a meaningful regular season snap, we’re looking at a top-10 pick in 2024?

Heck, the 2023 draft hasn’t even happened yet, and you’re telling us the team is fast-tracked for a top-10 pick in 2024?

Good grief.

Yep, the Judge/Patricia thing has somehow mutated from a one year f-up to the worst snafu perpetrated by a professional football team in the history of the world. Somehow last season 15 other teams fd-up just as bad or worse as the Patriots did.

 

[yukon cornelius]

Mac needs to make the transition from being a successful college QB to being a professional......being a pro means just that, being consistently professional in everything you do......media, workouts, on the field, off the field, in the weight room........bill's idea of being a pro is tighter than most places, and his expectations for his leaders is even higher........mac needs to work to meet those expectations, because you won't succeed under bill if you don't

 

[crawhammer]

I said the postseason. But in the 2022 regular season Tom led the entire NFL in passing attempts and the Buc's were dead last in rushing attempts. The Bucs attempted an NFL postseason low 12 rushing attempts in their first round exit. Those are facts.

In 2021 postseason they probably could have run more, but they still ran more than 2022.

Broken down it looks like this, Buc's postseason rushing attempts per game:
2020: 30.2 attempts
2021: 22.5 attempts
2022: 12 attempts

The Bucs were down 24-0 against Dallas and it would have been worse if Maher wasn't having a mental breakdown. And you wanted them to run more?? With fatty Fournette who quit on the season in September. Get lost with your skewed numbers based on game circumstances. In 2020, when they won the postseason, they scored 14 TDs, 11 by Brady and 3 by Fournette. They scored and won games by passing the football.

The Bucs were a passing offense. Brady was setting NFL passing attempts records annually. They had same number of rushing attempts in 2021 and 2022. They had a historically bad running game in 2022... last in the NFL in yards, yards per attempt, and TDs. You have the honor of seeing the game in the same way as toilet bowles, who also wanted to feature that putrid running game more, despite it only getting worse week in and week out. This is a fact, the 2022 Bucs won 8 games, Brady won 5 of them with game-winning drives by passing the football.

 

[RobertWeathers]

One thing I don't get is why Belichick is being so adversarial to Jones. His future is tied to Jones. If Jones fails this year and the team fails to make the playoffs again, Belichick will be gone too. If Belichick trades away Jones and he doesn't make the playoffs, he is fired.

It seems that Kraft is firmly behind Jones. Odds are Kraft will not sign off on a Jones trade without a viable replacement. That isn't Zappe and a high draft pick rookie. That would mean getting Lamar Jackson or another top QB. I am not sure Kraft would accept a Garoppolo trade since he would be a short term rebuild solution.

It seems pretty clear that Jones will be here this upcoming season and Belichick's future with the team is tied to his success or failure. If I was Belichick, I would be doing everything to put Jones in the best position to succeed and that would be not creating a controversy that he wants to get rid of Jones and saying the QB job is an open competition. But unfortunately, this is in line with the incredible missteps Belichick has been making in recent years. He has done everything possible over the last year and a half to ruin Mac Jones.

If Bill fails he won't let the cause be from a player he doesn't think will help him be successful. He won't support Mac staying if the reasons are political.

If Bill is unwilling to support Mac because of pride and ego that is a different discussion.

If he deems Mac as not someone he can live in the foxhole with then Bill will be at peace with a forced -exit and I don't blame him.