PFT: Bill "has shopped" Mac

[crawhammer]

They changed to a balanced running team because they lost 3 of 4 games before the bye. They led the entire NFL postseason in rushing yards, attempts and attempts per game after finishing the regular season 29th in attempts. They did that because they were losing games.

By "they" you mean Brady because word was he ultimately took control of the offense in 2020. However you want to characterize it, that franchise was a total loser before Brady got there. He changed the culture, he literally changed the roster by acting as co-GM, and he ultimately led the team on an undefeated road playoff path and an unprecedented Super Bowl victory in their own stadium. Legendary.

 

[farn]

Regardless what happens at QB I am bracing myself for finishing last In the East.

I think Miami will be fourth (based more on my distrust of the Dolphins than my trust in NE).

 

[StrawHatPatriot]

So florio just said some made up bs then?

 

[n1997y]

Eh, I remember last offseason seeing the videos of Mac slinging the ball around and supposedly "improving"...

Yes, and then he got to camp and crumbled when he found things had changed in a way he didn’t like. He’d folloed the script and done what he was supposed to but didn’t get ideal results handed to him on a silver platter and he couldn’t take it.

 

[n1997y]

Videos of Zappe with Thornton have already been out.

Mac better be getting on that too or he’s ceding leadership of the team. He’s going to get zapped by Zappe while he sulks if he’s not careful.

 

[Wozzy]

By "they" you mean Brady because word was he ultimately took control of the offense in 2020. However you want to characterize it, that franchise was a total loser before Brady got there. He changed the culture, he literally changed the roster by acting as co-GM, and he ultimately led the team on an undefeated road playoff path and an unprecedented Super Bowl victory in their own stadium. Legendary.

No, it was Arians. We know because the moment Tom pushed him out the door in 2022 they reverted back to a passing only team and won 8 games.

The friction there was obviously because Arians wanted to stay balanced and give his defense time to rest. We saw the results from being one dimensional, both in 2020 and in 2022… nobody can win that way. Your hero worship is weird.

 

[varjao]

I came across this comment on facebook and it sums up the situation perfectly for me I giving the credit to the author

 

[Love The Drake]

Eh, I remember last offseason seeing the videos of Mac slinging the ball around and supposedly "improving"...

Me too a slimmer Mac with an stronger arm and more mobile we were all dreaming.

 

[RodThePat]

No, it was Arians. We know because the moment Tom pushed him out the door in 2022 they reverted back to a passing only team and won 8 games.

The friction there was obviously because Arians wanted to stay balanced and give his defense time to rest. We saw the results from being one dimensional, both in 2020 and in 2022… nobody can win that way. Your hero worship is weird.

The Bucs already had the most passing attempts and highest passing% in football in 2021 with Arians. As a result they ranked 1st in offensive DVOA and 1st in offensive EPA/Play. They didn't "revert back to a passing team", they threw the ball exactly as much as they did the year prior when their offense was great. Injuries to the OL, not replacing Gronk and Brown adequately, the worst running game in football, terrible play calling, the most EPA lost on dropped passes and Tom not being willing to stand in the pocket to get hit while halfway retired is what made them drop off offensively. Nothing to do with play selection.

Not to mention Brady ranked second in the league in pass attempts in 2020 as well, not like they ever had this super balanced approach to offense there.

 

[Kasmir]

Regardless what happens at QB I am bracing myself for finishing last In the East.

I think you're safe. In that event it's the true fans here that need to brace for the reaming they'll receive from our gang of trolls.

 

[Kasmir]

No, it was Arians. We know because the moment Tom pushed him out the door in 2022 they reverted back to a passing only team and won 8 games.

LOL Tom pushed him out the window.

 

[ahmed]

Entering bye week 13 in 2020, the Bucs had lost 3 of their last 4 games... in each of those losses they rushed for 75 yards or less.

In one really bad loss against the Saints, the Buc’s set the all-time single game record (league... not team record) for fewest rushing attempts (4) in a single game... they got slaughtered 38-3.

Their one win in those four weeks by the way... over 210 yards rushing. That was the game immediately after the Saints debacle where even reporters were asking why they weren't running... even a little.

Well flash forward to after the bye week. Somebody (Arians) obviously put two and two together. The Bucs win their final four games by incorporating the run more.

In the playoffs the Bucs led the entire postseason in rushing attempts, attempts per game, yards and Leonard Fournette earns the moniker "playoff Lenny." Don’t tell us they didn’t run a little more… they led the entire postseason in every rushing stat possible after ending the regular season ranked 29th in attempts.

Clueless… in a word.

Playoffs:
Pass yards: 1024
Rush yards: 490
Pass TD: 10
Rush TD: 2 (excluding Brady's)

They basically stopped passing in the SB after the first half as they were up big and D was killing them.

Rush first team is something like the Titans. Playoff Lenny is a nice nickname and he was good but does not mean they were actually a run first team.

Playoff Lenny had 89, 55, 63, 93 yards on 16, 12, 17 and 19 rushes. Brady had 29, 36, 33, 40 attempts. The lowest was in SB after they stopped passing.

As for your nice stats, Bucs played 4 games which was at least 1 game more than all other teams. Most played 1 or 2.

None of that is run first. Yes the running game picked up from early in the season but to say run first is lazy at best.

 

[ahmed]

"The moment Bill said we all need to do better and compete including Mac and did not say he is my starter, he invited this ****storm."

i disagree......that's 100% a BB standard media line

"we all need to do better"

"we're on to next week"

"i can only comment on the players on the field/at practice/in camp"

it's a non-starter that folks ran with

Agree it is standard Bill answers but the situation is drastically different.

You can give that answe when you have an established and unquestionable QB.

 

[RodThePat]

Entering bye week 13 in 2020, the Bucs had lost 3 of their last 4 games... in each of those losses they rushed for 75 yards or less.

In one really bad loss against the Saints, the Buc’s set the all-time single game record (league... not team record) for fewest rushing attempts (4) in a single game... they got slaughtered 38-3.

Their one win in those four weeks by the way... over 210 yards rushing. That was the game immediately after the Saints debacle where even reporters were asking why they weren't running... even a little.

Well flash forward to after the bye week. Somebody (Arians) obviously put two and two together. The Bucs win their final four games by incorporating the run more.

In the playoffs the Bucs led the entire postseason in rushing attempts, attempts per game, yards and Leonard Fournette earns the moniker "playoff Lenny." Don’t tell us they didn’t run a little more… they led the entire postseason in every rushing stat possible after ending the regular season ranked 29th in attempts.

Clueless… in a word.

They built up a 30+ point lead on the Lions by dropping back to pass 30 times and rushing 12 in the first half, then they ran the ball to end it. First game against Atlanta? 50 dropbacks and 16 rushes. Second Atlanta game? 47 dropbacks to 17 rushes. The only game with an equal play calling divide was the one against Minnesota, and even then they got the ball up 23-14 with 9 minutes left in the game and that's when they burned clock with 6 rushes and 3 kneeldowns versus 3 passing attempts. That's their "run first" approach during the four game winning streak to close the season? Lol.

 

[ahmed]

I don't know how closely you've been following things, but Reiss has been WAY more critical of the team this offseason, more so than anything I've read by him over the last decade. He may limit what he reports based on being able to confirm things, but his opinions have not been watered down at all this offseason, and he's been surprisingly direct in some of his criticisms.

I only read what's posted in this site. I simply meant to say I don't think Reiss would ever break such a story because his MO has been to never be overly critical of the team.

 

[Ross12]

One thing that sticks out to me is the realization that Jimmy Garoppolo has no signing bonus. He could be traded today and the Raiders would have absolutely zero dead cap hit. Seems a little farfetched but the Raiders and Pats could swap QBs if they wished to... and McDaniels just brought in Hoyer who has been Mac's quasi-QB coach for two seasons... and the Raiders would gain $20M in cap space...

Seems like a stretch but it's definitely possible, financially.

 

[Sean Pa Patriot]

One thing that sticks out to me is the realization that Jimmy Garoppolo has no signing bonus. He could be traded today and the Raiders would have absolutely zero dead cap hit. Seems a little farfetched but the Raiders and Pats could swap QBs if they wished to... and McDaniels just brought in Hoyer who has been Mac's quasi-QB coach for two seasons... and the Raiders would gain $20M in cap space...

Seems like a stretch but it's definitely possible, financially.

i dont know if there is a thing in cba you cant trade players if they sign a fa but mac is not getting traded this year in fact bill might be gone before mac

 

[Ross12]

i dont know if there is a thing in cba you cant trade players if they sign a fa but mac is not getting traded this year in fact bill might be gone before mac

Huh?

 

[Sicilian]

One thing that sticks out to me is the realization that Jimmy Garoppolo has no signing bonus. He could be traded today and the Raiders would have absolutely zero dead cap hit. Seems a little farfetched but the Raiders and Pats could swap QBs if they wished to... and McDaniels just brought in Hoyer who has been Mac's quasi-QB coach for two seasons... and the Raiders would gain $20M in cap space...

Seems like a stretch but it's definitely possible, financially.

I don't know if there's a rule against this, but I can't see any team doing this. It's suicide for your future free agency plans if you have to explain to every potential player why they should trust you not to just deal them away before they've played a game for you. I imagine that would make McDaniels a pariah.

 

[Ross12]

I don't know if there's a rule against this, but I can't see any team doing this. It's suicide for your future free agency plans if you have to explain to every potential player why they should trust you not to just deal them away before they've played a game for you. I imagine that would make McDaniels a pariah.

I think it can be done if you're careful with it. If Garoppolo states he wants to go to New England and stuff like that then you can kind of cover yourself. It's definitely a bit of a strange concept though, no doubt. I can't think of a time any franchise has done it.