PFT: Bill "has shopped" Mac

[moosekill]

If Belichick believed Zappe was that guy, he would have stuck with Zappe after the Bears' fiasco. If he believed in Zappe, he would have put him in when the Pats had nothing to play for at the end of the season just to see what he had for next year.

You don't know this at all. It gets so tiring with people making pronouncemnts like they have a clue.

 

[VJCPatriot]

We're in a new era where patience is the biggest thing you need to have and one thing we've learned since the "reboot" is people don't have any. Whether it's Mac, or the next guy, or the next guy after that, catching lightning in a bottle is a once-in-a-generation occurrence, it's not normal. Like, at all.

Needless to say, you have to at least be patient with who you have until you're absolutely positive you've got a better alternative.

Well there's something to be said for patience for the fans.

This news cycle however is not about the fans.

This stems from the report that BB is unhappy with Mac Jones for going behind his back and talking to other coaches during the Patricia/Judge fiasco last year.

It's not hard for us to believe that BB would feel salty about his young QB going behind his back.

Now we have a report that BB is shopping Mac Jones to see what kind of price he could get in return.

Obviously if the compensation is not enough, he'll probably keep Mac Jones even if he doesn't like him.

But if BB gets offered say a 2nd round pick, could we see a Mac Jones trade happen? It definitely could happen.

This trade, if it happens, would be more about BB getting his guy in than what the fans feel about Mac Jones shortcomings as a QB, and he does have some obvious shortcomings that we don't need to go over again.

My only questions then are - what's the compensation, and once that happens, will BB turn to the draft or trade to get a new QB? I doubt he will want to rely on Zappe as the only choice left at QB during training camp.

 

[State]

After the McCourty interview about Steve Belichick I believe most of what I read these days. The hiring of Patricia and Judge alone says enough. The team has become an absolute mess.

Hard to argue with this. Nepotism, piss poor personnel decisions, and now potentially alienating the Kraft family with his vindictiveness.

 

[archstanton543]

Well there's something to be said for patience for the fans.

This news cycle however is not about the fans.

This stems from the report that BB is unhappy with Mac Jones for going behind his back and talking to other coaches during the Patricia/Judge fiasco last year.

It's not hard for us to believe that BB would feel salty about his young QB going behind his back.

Now we have a report that BB is shopping Mac Jones to see what kind of price he could get in return.

Obviously if the compensation is not enough, he'll probably keep Mac Jones even if he doesn't like him.

But if BB gets offered say a 2nd round pick, could we see a Mac Jones trade happen? It definitely could happen.

This trade, if it happens, would be more about BB getting his guy in than what the fans feel about Mac Jones shortcomings as a QB, and he does have some obvious shortcomings that we don't need to go over again.

My only questions then are - what's the compensation, and once that happens, will BB turn to the draft or trade to get a new QB? I doubt he will want to rely on Zappe as the only choice left at QB during training camp.

We don't have a report. We have Chris Simms trying to get clicks.

 

[PatsFan2]

You don't know this at all. It gets so tiring with people making pronouncemnts like they have a clue.

Watch Rob come back with a rebuttal wait for it.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

This is bananas. Even though you could imagine or sense some general tension between Mac and the offense. Trading Mac after spending a top 15 pick and going with Zappe as QB1 would take balls of steel.

I hate dismissing stuff as "Pats haters" trying to take a shot even though we know plant stories happen. Most reporters really aren't peddling false stuff for the fun of it or bc some patsy promised them inside info. I also don't want to believe just anything bc everyone has an agenda today.

I just find this very disappointing if true. From Bill handing over the controls to the offense to Moe & Curly. To Mac getting beat red mad to potentially going outside the building for help - in season. That's just a big no-no bc you're breaking several layers of trust. There's a way to handle things, big *if* but if true I would understand a trade.

 

[SammyBlueCat]

The fact that we are having a thread like this one proves what a monumental toxic mistake our Coach made last season by staffing his offense with ill equipped assistants. Can our favorite team overcome this drama???

 

[Ian]

Well there's something to be said for patience for the fans.

This news cycle however is not about the fans.

Doesn't change the fact that regardless of how this ends, that's exactly what happened. Everyone turned on him just three games into the kid's second season. That's not a formula for success in this league. We were lucky to have Brady emerge and turn into the best player the game's ever seen. But moving forward, every new guy is going to show flashes but also face adversity. Not being patient enough to let them to work through it is going to be a killer no matter who it is.

There are hardly any elite QBs in this league as it is, it's just not the norm. And I don't know if people have the patience for "good" or "adequate" as they clearly plan on trying to win with defense, because that's probably what we're going to be dealing with.

 

[catent]

You think there is going to be a QB competition going into camp? I don't. At least not at the start of training camp. It is Mac's job unless Zappe shows a huge jump in his second year. I think other than something freak happening, Jones has the starting job locked up unless he plays so bad to lose it or Zappe exceeds expectations by a whole bunch in training camp or the preseason.

This stuff boggles the mind.

I get liking Mac. I get finding him endearing and rooting for his success. All fair.

What I do not understand - at all - is this notion that Mac is a sacred cow deserving preferential treatment and consideration. What in the world has he done to earn that? Consistent, high quality play? No. Accrued time in the league? No. Why the hell should Mac be the starter by default, and be protected from an open competition with Zappe (or anyone else for that matter)?

Would folks feel this way if Mac was drafted in round 4-5 instead of round 1?

 

[State]

I never thought I would miss Brian Hoyer. Until now.

 

[archstanton543]

Would folks feel this way if Mac was drafted in round 4-5 instead of round 1?

No.

 

[catent]

Doesn't change the fact that regardless of how this ends, that's exactly what happened. Everyone turned on him just three games into the kid's second season. That's not a formula for success in this league. We were lucky to have Brady emerge and turn into the best player the game's ever seen. But moving forward, every new guy is going to show flashes but also face adversity. Not being patient enough to let them to work through it is going to be a killer no matter who it is.

There are hardly any elite QBs in this league as it is, it's just not the norm. And I don't know if people have the patience for "good" or "adequate" as they clearly plan on trying to win with defense, because that's probably what we're going to be dealing with.

Ian, I hope you realize how absurd the claim that “everyone turned on Mac” is. Just reading this thread and seeing the polarization in it should be evidence enough. Go back to October and you’ll see plenty of voices advocating for Mac to return as the starter.

That’s simply not an accurate representation of the sentiment of the fans.

 

[PatsFan2]

This stuff boggles the mind.

I get liking Mac. I get finding him endearing and rooting for his success. All fair.

What I do not understand - at all - is this notion that Mac is a sacred cow deserving preferential treatment and consideration. What in the world has he done to earn that? Consistent, high quality play? No. Accrued time in the league? No. Why the hell should Mac be the starter by default, and be protected from an open competition with Zappe (or anyone else for that matter)?

Would folks feel this way if Mac was drafted in round 4-5 instead of round 1?

That because some people and I won't call any names have a conflict of interest.

 

[Ian]

Ian, I hope you realize how absurd the claim that “everyone turned on Mac” is. Just reading this thread and seeing the polarization in it should be evidence enough. Go back to October and you’ll see plenty of voices advocating for Mac to return as the starter.

That’s simply not an accurate representation of the sentiment of the fans.

That's true, but the % is still surprisingly high, which is obviously my issue. Again, people fell in love with the possibility of another Brady-like parallel where the starter goes down and the back-up comes in and turns into the guy. We got lucky once, I don't know if we'll ever get that lucky again.

 

[Ian]

This stuff boggles the mind.

I get liking Mac. I get finding him endearing and rooting for his success. All fair.

What I do not understand - at all - is this notion that Mac is a sacred cow deserving preferential treatment and consideration. What in the world has he done to earn that? Consistent, high quality play? No. Accrued time in the league? No. Why the hell should Mac be the starter by default, and be protected from an open competition with Zappe (or anyone else for that matter)?

Would folks feel this way if Mac was drafted in round 4-5 instead of round 1?

He's definitely not a sacred cow, and as we've seen, they're going to keep drafting guys behind whoever is under center. That's just a reality, and obviously whoever it is will need to follow the Brady example - and not the Rodgers example - of dealing with that competition.

 

[PatsFan2]

That's true, but the % is still surprisingly high, which is obviously my issue. Again, people fell in love with the possibility of another Brady-like parallel where the starter goes down and the back-up comes in and turns into the guy. We got lucky once, I don't know if we'll ever get that lucky again.

At least in Todays NFL we'll have a chance with the way some of these guys go down like flies Teams need Three QB's Today.

 

[catent]

That's true, but the % is still surprisingly high, which is obviously my issue. Again, people fell in love with the possibility of another Brady-like parallel where the starter goes down and the back-up comes in and turns into the guy. We got lucky once, I don't know if we'll ever get that lucky again.

Speaking for myself, I didn’t fall in love with the Brady pt. 2 narrative, but I was struck by how well Zappe played and found his poise, pocket presence, timing, rhythm, and decision making to be a breath of fresh air in contrast to what Mac had shown.

I can’t speak for others, but my affection for Zappe was based largely on his on-field production.

 

[Ross12]

This is bananas. Even though you could imagine or sense some general tension between Mac and the offense. Trading Mac after spending a top 15 pick and going with Zappe as QB1 would take balls of steel.

I hate dismissing stuff as "Pats haters" trying to take a shot even though we know plant stories happen. Most reporters really aren't peddling false stuff for the fun of it or bc some patsy promised them inside info. I also don't want to believe just anything bc everyone has an agenda today.

I just find this very disappointing if true. From Bill handing over the controls to the offense to Moe & Curly. To Mac getting beat red mad to potentially going outside the building for help - in season. That's just a big no-no bc you're breaking several layers of trust. There's a way to handle things, big *if* but if true I would understand a trade.

Your last point is what it's probably all about. It makes me think about how much "freelancing" was going on with the offense... Mac scrambling for 15 seconds repeatedly for no reason in the one Bills game... Meyers throwing the idiotic lateral in the Raiders game... I wonder if Bill feels like the offensive side of the ball is just a huge mess that isn't taking coaching properly and it's coming from the top down (Mac).

 

[TomPatriot]

I have read this entire thread and have come to the same conclusion about it that William Goldman, the great screenwriter, came to about Hollywood: Nobody knows anything, including me!

 

[PatsFan2]

Speaking for myself, I didn’t fall in love with the Brady pt. 2 narrative, but I was struck by how well Zappe played and found his poise, pocket presence, timing, rhythm, and decision making to be a breath of fresh air in contrast to what Mac had shown.

I can’t speak for others, but my affection for Zappe was based largely on his on-field production.

Mine too you're not alone.