BB THE GOAT

[patsfanfromoversea]

Odd that Mahomes isn't on this list of the top 25 passing yards in a Super Bowl after three appearances in the pass-happy era.

odd is that brittany mahomes aka Mac10 is allowed to post here

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Odd that Mahomes isn't on this list of the top 25 passing yards in a Super Bowl after three appearances in the pass-happy era.

And this has to do with Belichick...because?

 

[Ring 6]

Richards gets my vote for BB's all time worst draft pick. That one play of him "trying" to cover / tackle Clement is hysterically bad. You know the play I'm talking about too. Everyone does.

Richards would have had 0 snaps if Butler started. There isn't a conceivable situation where any NFL head coach would think Richards being on the field instead of Butler is a sound football decision.

You are 100% WRONG. Richards played more snaps all season long than he did in the SB.
Butler playing every snap would not have affected Richards playing time at all. It would have reduced Rowes snaps to somewhere around the 11 Bademosi had.
Are you going to argue that if Butler played them Lawrence Guy would have played fewer snaps, because it’s the same thing, they play different positions.

 

[crawhammer]

I don't care about players who aren't in the coaches' meetings.

You don't care if the players know who starting in the Super Bowl? Rowe not finding out until literally the kickoff that he was starting is ok with you??

And Patricia's entire statement was "If he was called upon, he was ready to play in those packages if that situation arose.” That's different from "if we needed him."

Which packages were those? The ones they used for the ENTIRE season leading up to the Super Bowl??

The defense finished the regular season 5th in points allowed at 18.5 per game. 17 points allowed per playoff game. So let's not stick with those packages, right? No, let's bench our starting CB for the previous 55 straight games and come up with entirely new packages featuring Johnson Bademosi and Jordan Richards, both completely useless on a professional football field. Those new packages, especially designed for THE SUPER BOWL, allowed a 34-minute TOP, 25 first downs, 538 yards, and 41 points (that's only a 122% increase from the regular season).

"If we needed him?" Are you ****ing kidding me. Is this what you're leaning on now? lol re-watch the game and see if you can say that with a straight face.

 

[Ring 6]

That exact quote actually came out of Patricia's mouth, not Belichick's, so I apologize for the confusion, but what's the difference? I'm pretty sure Belichick and Patricia would be on the same page regarding availability of players and the game plan. Digging further into it, Patricia also said this: "if he was called upon, he was ready to play..." and "you know, he was ready to go if we needed him..."

Here are quotes from some of Butler's teammates...

Eric Rowe:

(On whether he knew he would be starting)

"No. It wasn't official until kickoff."

Good thing the coaching staff had Rowe in the right mindset .

(On if he thought Butler could've helped the defense)

"Yeah, we could have used anybody. Whoever the coaches throw in, obviously we have full confidence in them to affect the game. We could have used anybody."

(On whether they expected Butler to not play)

"No, that wasn't the plan."

(On if he had an idea as to why Butler did not play)

"No."

Stephon Gilmore:

(On his initial thoughts on Butler not playing)

"I don't know, you have to ask the coaches that. We rotated in practice a lot, but you have to ask the coaches. That's the coaches' decision."

(On why Butler didn't play)

"You have to ask the coach. I don't know."

Devin McCourty:

(On if he spoke to Butler)

"I think we all were just trying to get ready. I think he stayed ready on the field. He was ready to go."

Duron Harmon:

(On if Butler not playing was a surprise)

"You have to ask coach about that. That's a personnel decision. He makes all the personnel decisions."

(On if he spoke to Butler during or after the game)

"I told him to stay ready. You never know. I tried to tell him to stay ready. He stayed tuned the whole time, cheering teammates on."

James Harrison:

(On if the defense was given an explanation on why Butler did not play)

"I don't know. That's something you have to ask coach."

So we can add several of his teammates to the list of players and coaches who said Butler was ready to play. Also, it's obvious the coaching staff did a very poor job of communicating with the players. Inexcusable, especially in preparation for a Super Bowl.

Wait, you have been “quoting” Belichick and using it as an argument (even calling him a liar and a cheater and now you admit he didn’t say it?
Wow.

Where is McCourtys quote that Butler didn’t practice with the 1s all week? Conveniently leave that one out amongst your attempt to mislead?

 

[Ring 6]

You don't care if the players know who starting in the Super Bowl? Rowe not finding out until literally the kickoff that he was starting is ok with you??


Which packages were those? The ones they used for the ENTIRE season leading up to the Super Bowl??

The defense finished the regular season 5th in points allowed at 18.5 per game. 17 points allowed per playoff game. So let's not stick with those packages, right? No, let's bench our starting CB for the previous 55 straight games and come up with entirely new packages featuring Johnson Bademosi and Jordan Richards, both completely useless on a professional football field. Those new packages, especially designed for THE SUPER BOWL, allowed a 34-minute TOP, 25 first downs, 538 yards, and 41 points (that's only a 122% increase from the regular season).

"If we needed him?" Are you ****ing kidding me. Is this what you're leaning on now? lol re-watch the game and see if you can say that with a straight face.

Rowe practiced as the starter all week. He didn’t say he didn’t know, he said it wasn’t official. I’m sure people not wanting to throw a teammate under then bus creates a lot of accurate information.

They used the exact same packages they used against the chiefs, you know the exact offense Perderson brought to Philly. Richards played about the same number of snaps he played call year long, actually a little less. So your argument is they should not have reduced Richards snaps from the way they used him in being the #5 defense? Why do you insist on repeating thugs you are shown to be wrong about?

Rowe didn’t play much different than what we saw out of butler all year. Why would you replaced him with an admittedly not focussed Butler?

 

[crawhammer]

You are 100% WRONG. Richards played more snaps all season long than he did in the SB.

I don't care. Any single snap Richards played in any NFL game was one too many. Belichick's player assessment skills are seriously flawed for thinking this clown was worth a high draft pick. I don't know, correct me if I'm wrong, is Richards even 5% capable of playing DB in the NFL?

That Belichick and Patricia thought Richards was better, more prepared, or whatever, than Butler to play in this game is mind-numbing. New SUPER BOWL packages designed with Richards and Bademosi but no Butler and his 98% snap count.

Butler playing every snap would not have affected Richards playing time at all. It would have reduced Rowes snaps to somewhere around the 11 Bademosi had.

Ok, so Butler would have removed the statistically worst Patriots DB in the game. You don't think that would have been helpful?? And please don't cop out with I don't know.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Which packages were those? The ones they used for the ENTIRE season leading up to the Super Bowl??

This confirms my belief you know nothing about football other than stats. You do realize Bill changes the game plan for every game, don’t you?

 

[crawhammer]

Wait, you have been “quoting” Belichick and using it as an argument (even calling him a liar and a cheater and now you admit he didn’t say it?
Wow.

Are you following the entire conversation? Apparently not.

I didn't admit anything, I corrected a mistake. You should try it sometime.

You think Patricia is saying Butler was "ready to play" multiple times without Belichick's concurrence?

And nowhere did I say Belichick was a cheater. I doubt I called him a liar in this thread.

 

[crawhammer]

This confirms my belief you know nothing about football other than stats. You do realize Bill changes the game plan for every game, don’t you?

Stop conversing with me if you think I know nothing about football. You're wasting your time and mine. And probably everyone else's.

And Bill didn't "just change the game plan" like he normally would. He completely removed a player who started the previous 55 games with a 98% snap count (100% in the playoffs). If you can't see the significance of that then I can't help you.

 

[sb1]

This confirms my belief you know nothing about football other than stats. You do realize Bill changes the game plan for every game, don’t you?

In this case the Super Bowl game plan was to play guys who either absolutely suck or out of position and keep his best tackler in the secondary on the bench. Great game plan.

 

[crawhammer]

Rowe practiced as the starter all week. He didn’t say he didn’t know, he said it wasn’t official.

(Rowe on whether he knew he would be starting)

"No."

That's pretty clear. Subsequently he added it wasn't official until kickoff. Which I fail to see how it makes it any better. He didn't know he was starting until the kickoff.

They used the exact same packages they used against the chiefs, you know the exact offense Perderson brought to Philly.

Against the Chiefs when? What game are you talking about?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Stop conversing with me if you think I know nothing about football. You're wasting your time and mine. And probably everyone else's.

And Bill didn't "just change the game plan" like he normally would. He completely removed a player who started the previous 55 games with a 98% snap count (100% in the playoffs). If you can't see the significance of that then I can't help you.

106 posts in one thread…you think you’ve made your point?

 

[PatsWSB47]

@crawhammer just let it go. Everyone is pretty dug in at this point. There is no argument that hasn't already been made. Butler not playing and it's impact is at least debatable to a certain degree but it's all been debated and debated and debated. It appears @MAC10 has his posting privileges restored. I have him on ignore but based on the responses he's right back going full idiot. What is not debatable is blaming Tom Brady for losing that superbowl. Anyone being honest and has half a brain knows it. @MAC10 is neither honest or has half a brain. Just don't respond to him.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

@crawhammer logic - Bill gets the blame in SB52 for giving up 41 points to the Eagles and Tom isn't to blame for screwing up one drive where he fumbled the game away. At the same time, Bill is responsible for screwing up the Manning to Tyree drive in SB 42 and Tom gets no blame for only scoring 14 points the entirety of the game.

 

[crawhammer]

@MAC10 logic - Belichick is a habitual cheater, Brady actually sucks, and the Patriots should be stripped of their first 3 Lombardi trophies (at least).

 

[Ring 6]

I don't care. Any single snap Richards played in any NFL game was one too many. Belichick's player assessment skills are seriously flawed for thinking this clown was worth a high draft pick. I don't know, correct me if I'm wrong, is Richards even 5% capable of playing DB in the NFL?

That Belichick and Patricia thought Richards was better, more prepared, or whatever, than Butler to play in this game is mind-numbing. New SUPER BOWL packages designed with Richards and Bademosi but no Butler and his 98% snap count.


Ok, so Butler would have removed the statistically worst Patriots DB in the game. You don't think that would have been helpful?? And please don't cop out with I don't know.

You are arguing Richards wouldn’t have played if Butler did. You’ve argued this after I’ve shown you that you are wrong many times.

Of course I don’t know and you don’t either. Rowe allowed 80 yards (per your post although based upon your other posts maybe we can’t trust that.). I can think of one play for a big chunk of that where he had excellent coverage and a perfect high throw to a taller receiver was made. Does butler stop that? Did butler allow about 80 yards a game all year?
You not I have any idea how prepared Butler was to okay and how he would have played if he were out out there. But we both are 100% that a man with 8 rings felt Rowe was a better choice that day, the same man who felt Butler was a better choice during the season. Why would you not recognize that did something leading up to the SB that made belichick lack any confidence at all in him? Malcolm told you himself he wasn’t focussed in practice. How bad was he all week that led belichick to THAT much of a loss of confidence.

Instead you default to the idea that the man with 8 rings was incapable of making a personnell decision that you know was wrong despite you jacking any facts at all.
You want to rip BB for some god unknown reason and you are clowning yourself to do it.

 

[Ring 6]

Are you following the entire conversation? Apparently not.

I didn't admit anything, I corrected a mistake. You should try it sometime.

You think Patricia is saying Butler was "ready to play" multiple times without Belichick's concurrence?

And nowhere did I say Belichick was a cheater. I doubt I called him a liar in this thread.

Yes I am following that you quoted Belichick many time. You even said he was a liar because he said it.
Now you are admitting he never said it.

saying he was ready to play is meaningless any way. Because clearly he wasn’t ready to play anything more than the 4th and last off the bench option.

You absolutely called him a cheater. I will quote the post and call you out.

 

[Ring 6]

(Rowe on whether he knew he would be starting)

"No."

That's pretty clear. Subsequently he added it wasn't official until kickoff. Which I fail to see how it makes it any better. He didn't know he was starting until the kickoff.


Against the Chiefs when? What game are you talking about?

You yourself quoted him saying “not officially”

He practiced as the starter all week.

The chiefs game. You know when they played the chiefs.

 

[Ring 6]

So "severe" that again according to BELICHICK: "he was active for the game and anybody that is active for the game is ready to go."

I guess your new argument is BB's a liar. A liar and a cheat... at least you're agreeing with @MAC10.

You calling belichick a cheat