BB THE GOAT

[crawhammer]

You're kidding, right? You just spent an entire thread bashing Bill's decision to bench Bulter and now you are deferring to him as the "GOAT HC?" So what's it going to be? Deferring to Belichick is EXACTLY what I and others are doing.

@MAC10: "Butler was not ready to play."

Bill 'The GOAT' Belichick: "Butler was active for the game and anybody that is active for the game is ready to go."

 

[SHOWTIME15]

@MAC10: "Butler was not ready to play."

Bill 'The GOAT' Belichick: "Butler was active for the game and anybody that is active for the game is ready to go."

How about giving us a link. I just googled that exact quote and nothing came up in connection to Belichick. In fact I got a "it looks like there aren't many great matches for your search" advisory.

 

[Ring 6]

Belichick and Patricia had a million opportunities to confirm this speculation. Not once did either say, Malcolm was dressed as an emergency injury replacement. Belichick deployed Butler on ST and there was no emergency there. This excuse doesn't hold up.

Belichick had made his mind up that Butler wasn't going to play on defense no matter what. This clearly was the case considering how poorly the secondary played in this game.

Foles finished the game with 373 passing yards and 3 passing TDs (and 1 receiving TD).
Foles was 6-7 for 137 yards on 3rd down when targeting Rowe, Bademosi and Richards.

Foles when targeting Patriots DBs (total passing yards gained):

Rowe = 80
Richards = 74
Chung = 56
KVN = 18
Bademosi = 17
Flowers = 14
DMC = 13
Gilmore = 7
Lee = 1

Gilmore did his job but the rest of the ****ups didn't. Rowe and Richards alone gave up 154. Had Butler gotten his requisite percentage of snaps (98%), then those two clowns at least wouldn't have gotten so incredibly exposed.

The decision by Belichick to bench Butler lost Super Bowl 52.

I’ve shown you over and over again that Richards playing time had nothing to do with Butler.
Rowe allowed 80. That’s pretty close to what butler allowed per game if o remember correctly.
Bademosi allowed 17 in 11 snaps, so he want the problem.
Chungs playing time was also unaffected by Butler.
You railed on McCourty while he allowed 13 yards.

 

[Ring 6]

So "severe" that again according to BELICHICK: "he was active for the game and anybody that is active for the game is ready to go."

I guess your new argument is BB's a liar. A liar and a cheat... at least you're agreeing with @MAC10.

So severe that he was the 4th corner.

Obviously he was ready to suit up, I never said otherwise. Are you going to argue why Hoyer didn’t play since he was “ready to go”?

Now you are calling belichick a cheater? For real? Gtfo

 

[crawhammer]

Now you are calling belichick a cheater? For real? Gtfo

Yeah, you misunderstood (somehow ). For the record, I do NOT think Belichick is a cheater. But @MAC10 does. He argues the first three Super Bowls don't count because of "Belichick's cheating." That's why I said what I said (which I thought was clear). Or then again, maybe you don't bother reading @MAC10's posts at all, which is a wise decision.

 

[pazrul72]

My whole thing with that Butler situation is this. If he was truly unprepared, so much so that under NO circumstances (barring injuries to basically every other secondary player) was he going to see the field on defense, why have him active at all? Why not have someone else who was more prepared be active?

If he WAS active, then he would have played in a “break glass in case of emergency” kind of situation.

BUT…. the way the Pats’ D got shredded that game, it kind of WAS a “break glass in case of emergency” situation. The guys you’re all mentioning here were TERRIBLE in that game. They forced one punt and got one turnover at the end of the first half and other than that didn’t stop Philly at all that game. If ever there was a desperate need to try SOMETHING, SOMEONE different, it was then.

But BB didn’t budge at ALL. Which tells me that Butler wasn’t playing defense come hell or high water. So…… why have him active at all? Why not have another player who at least could be put on the field?

It really doesn’t add up.

If BB were to ever write a memoir, the things I’d most want to hear him talk about are Spygate, Deflategate, the end of the 2015 season, and this Butler situation.

Obviously I don’t know the real answer more then anyone else here so this is all me adding 2 + 2 + 2 + x = and coming up with 8 but it’s the best answer I have heard that fits what has been reported.

Fact 1, we know Butler was sick and practiced like crap all week.
Fact 2, we know Butler played just one snap in the game, a pretty meaningless ST snap.
Fact 3, Belichick has in the past on multiple occasions made sure veterans he respects and values either get bonuses they just missed, or get the stat they need in garbage time to hit bonuses.
Fact 4, whatever happened is not bad enough that Butler rejoins BB and the patriots last year

I think Butler had an unusual or mild concussion, one that wasn’t severe enough he couldn‘t pass the protocol (so the patriots didn’t report it) but severe enough it caused him to be foggy, out of it, and be a game time decision. So all week he is going I’m going to get better and play cuz no way am I not suiting up for the Super Bowl but then in warm ups he made a mental mistake or two. BB says sorry Malcom we’re benching you (he feels given up on) and we see the tears during the national anthem. BB wants him to get his SB money so plays him on one snap. Only situation I have heard about that makes the least little bit of sense based on what I know of MB and BB. All of the discipline stories, bad attitude, fights, drugs blah blah blah don’t fit in one way or another. BB benched him, again just IMO, because he was afraid he was going to be getting coverages wrong and blowing plays worse than Rowe. I would have changed that after halftime but in the end we don’t know what MB‘s head was like and he COULD have been worse. Not sure how, but it is possible.

 

[ivanvamp]

Belichick and Patricia had a million opportunities to confirm this speculation. Not once did either say, Malcolm was dressed as an emergency injury replacement. Belichick deployed Butler on ST and there was no emergency there. This excuse doesn't hold up.

Butler played ONE special teams play the entire game. In a game FILLED with special teams plays. When you say, "Belichick deployed Butler on ST", it gives the impression that Butler played all game long on special teams, just not on defense. That's not remotely the case. He played ONE play the entire game.

And we don't know that BB was the one who put him out there for that one play. He doesn't tend to micromanage that stuff in-game. That's on the ST coach most likely.

Belichick had made his mind up that Butler wasn't going to play on defense no matter what. This clearly was the case considering how poorly the secondary played in this game.

Foles finished the game with 373 passing yards and 3 passing TDs (and 1 receiving TD).
Foles was 6-7 for 137 yards on 3rd down when targeting Rowe, Bademosi and Richards.

Foles when targeting Patriots DBs (total passing yards gained):

Rowe = 80
Richards = 74
Chung = 56
KVN = 18
Bademosi = 17
Flowers = 14
DMC = 13
Gilmore = 7
Lee = 1

Gilmore did his job but the rest of the ****ups didn't. Rowe and Richards alone gave up 154. Had Butler gotten his requisite percentage of snaps (98%), then those two clowns at least wouldn't have gotten so incredibly exposed.

The decision by Belichick to bench Butler lost Super Bowl 52.

I think in retrospect, clearly Butler not playing defense was a killer for the Pats that game. Though we don't know if Butler actually was up to the task that day.

 

[crawhammer]

I’ve shown you over and over again that Richards playing time had nothing to do with Butler.

Richards gets my vote for BB's all time worst draft pick. That one play of him "trying" to cover / tackle Clement is hysterically bad. You know the play I'm talking about too. Everyone does.

Richards would have had 0 snaps if Butler started. There isn't a conceivable situation where any NFL head coach would think Richards being on the field instead of Butler is a sound football decision.

 

[crawhammer]

Butler played ONE special teams play the entire game. In a game FILLED with special teams plays. When you say, "Belichick deployed Butler on ST", it gives the impression that Butler played all game long on special teams, just not on defense. That's not remotely the case. He played ONE play the entire game.

And we don't know that BB was the one who put him out there for that one play. He doesn't tend to micromanage that stuff in-game. That's on the ST coach most likely.

I know Butler only played 1 snap on ST. The point is he was dressed and deployed in the game. But not on defense where he was desperately needed. That's on Belichick. Everything coaching decision is on Belichick (as he would be the first to tell you).

 

[crawhammer]

I think in retrospect, clearly Butler not playing defense was a killer for the Pats that game.

That's perfect. You didn't have to qualify your comment.

 

[crawhammer]

So severe that he was the 4th corner.

So with the complete defensive debacle taking place throughout that game, you don't think it's reasonable to believe the "4th corner" should have been given an opportunity??

Obviously he was ready to suit up, I never said otherwise. Are you going to argue why Hoyer didn’t play since he was “ready to go”?

Hoyer? I don't get it. How is he comparable in this situation? He's a career backup QB. He never did anything in NE but backup. Butler stated 55 straight games (with 98% snaps) prior to SB 52.

 

[Steve102]

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[sb1]

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Just not having the kind of year I expected. Is it psychological ? Is he not getting the help with some WR's he used to? Anytime someone caught the ball Saturday I was looking for 21 trailing the play, ok sometimes it was Rowe . Can he turn it around for next games? What about his free agency...

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[Guts]

Gather 'round children, I'll tell you the tale of the nefarious Malcolm Butler Thread.

Rather watch GOT season 8

 

[crawhammer]

How about giving us a link. I just googled that exact quote and nothing came up in connection to Belichick. In fact I got a "it looks like there aren't many great matches for your search" advisory.

That exact quote actually came out of Patricia's mouth, not Belichick's, so I apologize for the confusion, but what's the difference? I'm pretty sure Belichick and Patricia would be on the same page regarding availability of players and the game plan. Digging further into it, Patricia also said this: "if he was called upon, he was ready to play..." and "you know, he was ready to go if we needed him..."

Here are quotes from some of Butler's teammates...

Eric Rowe:

(On whether he knew he would be starting)

"No. It wasn't official until kickoff."

Good thing the coaching staff had Rowe in the right mindset .

(On if he thought Butler could've helped the defense)

"Yeah, we could have used anybody. Whoever the coaches throw in, obviously we have full confidence in them to affect the game. We could have used anybody."

(On whether they expected Butler to not play)

"No, that wasn't the plan."

(On if he had an idea as to why Butler did not play)

"No."

Stephon Gilmore:

(On his initial thoughts on Butler not playing)

"I don't know, you have to ask the coaches that. We rotated in practice a lot, but you have to ask the coaches. That's the coaches' decision."

(On why Butler didn't play)

"You have to ask the coach. I don't know."

Devin McCourty:

(On if he spoke to Butler)

"I think we all were just trying to get ready. I think he stayed ready on the field. He was ready to go."

Duron Harmon:

(On if Butler not playing was a surprise)

"You have to ask coach about that. That's a personnel decision. He makes all the personnel decisions."

(On if he spoke to Butler during or after the game)

"I told him to stay ready. You never know. I tried to tell him to stay ready. He stayed tuned the whole time, cheering teammates on."

James Harrison:

(On if the defense was given an explanation on why Butler did not play)

"I don't know. That's something you have to ask coach."

So we can add several of his teammates to the list of players and coaches who said Butler was ready to play. Also, it's obvious the coaching staff did a very poor job of communicating with the players. Inexcusable, especially in preparation for a Super Bowl.

 

[Steve102]

I am!

Malcolm Butler Mega Thread

Just not having the kind of year I expected. Is it psychological ? Is he not getting the help with some WR's he used to? Anytime someone caught the ball Saturday I was looking for 21 trailing the play, ok sometimes it was Rowe . Can he turn it around for next games? What about his free agency...

www.patsfans.com

349 pages of over there and now we have it here.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

That exact quote actually came out of Patricia's mouth, not Belichick's, so I apologize for the confusion, but what's the difference? I'm pretty sure Belichick and Patricia would be on the same page regarding availability of players and the game plan. Digging further into it, Patricia also said this: "if he was called upon, he was ready to play..." and "you know, he was ready to go if we needed him..."

Here are quotes from some of Butler's teammates...

Eric Rowe:

(On whether he knew he would be starting)

"No. It wasn't official until kickoff."

Good thing the coaching staff had Rowe in the right mindset .

(On if he thought Butler could've helped the defense)

"Yeah, we could have used anybody. Whoever the coaches throw in, obviously we have full confidence in them to affect the game. We could have used anybody."

(On whether they expected Butler to not play)

"No, that wasn't the plan."

(On if he had an idea as to why Butler did not play)

"No."

Stephon Gilmore:

(On his initial thoughts on Butler not playing)

"I don't know, you have to ask the coaches that. We rotated in practice a lot, but you have to ask the coaches. That's the coaches' decision."

(On why Butler didn't play)

"You have to ask the coach. I don't know."

Devin McCourty:

(On if he spoke to Butler)

"I think we all were just trying to get ready. I think he stayed ready on the field. He was ready to go."

Duron Harmon:

(On if Butler not playing was a surprise)

"You have to ask coach about that. That's a personnel decision. He makes all the personnel decisions."

(On if he spoke to Butler during or after the game)

"I told him to stay ready. You never know. I tried to tell him to stay ready. He stayed tuned the whole time, cheering teammates on."

James Harrison:

(On if the defense was given an explanation on why Butler did not play)

"I don't know. That's something you have to ask coach."

So we can add several of his teammates to the list of players and coaches who said Butler was ready to play. Also, it's obvious the coaching staff did a very poor job of communicating with the players. Inexcusable, especially in preparation for a Super Bowl.

There you go again with your assumptions and "this must be true" nonsense. Unless it came from Belichick, it's meaningless. And even if it was Patricia saying it you still haven't provided a link. I called you out and now you are backtracking. FIrst, you said Belichick and Patricia said he was ready and now you are saying it was just Patricia. And why would Patricia say "he wasn't ready?" It would make him look bad as a coach for not preparing him to play in the biggest game of the year.

 

[crawhammer]

There you go again with your assumptions and "this must be true" nonsense. Unless it came from Belichick, it's meaningless. And even if it was Patricia saying it you still haven't provided a link. I called you out and now you are backtracking. FIrst, you said Belichick and Patricia said he was ready and now you are saying it was just Patricia. And why would Patricia say "he wasn't ready?" It would make him look bad as a coach for not preparing him to play in the biggest game of the year.

Assumptions? I'm quoting the players and coaches. Anyone who offered a comment on Butler's availability said he was ready to play. Not one player or coach has said Butler wasn't ready to play. Not one. I didn't "backtrack" anything either. And Patricia looks plenty bad for his part in preparing the defense for the SB. Patricia and Belichick didn't even tell Rowe he was starting until the kickoff. How ****ed up is that? It's the GD Super Bowl.

And it's not my problem if you don't know how to use the Internet.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Assumptions? I'm quoting the players and coaches. Anyone who offered a comment on Butler's availability said he was ready to play. Not one player or coach has said Butler wasn't ready to play. Not one. I didn't "backtrack" anything either. And Patricia looks plenty bad for his part in preparing the defense for the SB. Patricia and Belichick didn't even tell Rowe he was starting until the kickoff. How ****ed up is that? It's the GD Super Bowl.

And it's not my problem if you don't know how to use the Internet.

I don't care about players who aren't in the coaches' meetings. And Patricia's entire statement was "If he was called upon, he was ready to play in those packages if that situation arose.” That's different from "if we needed him."

I now see why you didn't provide me with a link since you only quoted part of what Patricia said and were being deliberately misleading, So the game plan was clearly designed outside of Malcolm Butler, probably because he wasn't ready to play in the actual packages the Pats put out there.

Hindsight 2020: Bill Belichick benching Malcolm Butler still tough to process

There’s no handwringing over which Bill Belichick coaching decision is most worthy of second-guessing. It’s the still-unexplained decision to bench Malcolm Butler in Super Bowl 52 against the Eagles. That’s in a class by itself. On an island by itself. On a planet by itself. If Belichick...

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I know you want to blame Bill for Tommy not getting another ring vs the Eagles, but maybe you should be blaming Malcolm Butler first. And then Tommy for fumbling with the game on the line.

 

[sb1]

Imagine blaming a QB who threw for 505 yards, 3 TD and 0 INT, over 10 yards per attempt and a 115 rating for losing a Super Bowl game with one of the worst defensive performances in Super Bowl history. LMAO