Name your preference for OC

[turkeyneck]

If I were a betting man, I would place one on Kingsbury.

It appears that Kingsbury is heading off to Thailand semi-permanently so not a good bet. However, Zach Kittley is sort of his mini-Me.

 

[catent]

I like Kittley. I like BOB. I like Reich. I don’t mind Gase.

Another name I haven’t seen mentioned too frequently that I think could be a good option as an offensive assistant in some capacity, is Doug Marrone.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Charlie Wiess, Jr.

LOL just to see NEM turn over in his grave.

Actually he is doing a good job at Ole Miss. Obviously close to the same system the Pats have run for years, but with a hint of youth and enthusiasm.

 

[venecol]

Wiping the slate clean and developing an explosive offense would be great but currently we don't have explosive players and if we install a system that is significantly different then we are on Macs 3rd system in 3 years? If we can get BOB then at least there is some continuity of a type. I think even just including some motion would be a huge benefit. Our offense was just dull and predictable with little to stress a defense.

Maybe, but an explosive system doesn't mean it has to be difficult to learn. Mac is smart. Thornton could thrive. Bourne can be explosive. Parker & Henry know how to run routes. Smith could also be explosive. Strong- Harris are young. Rham is a beast. I don't see a problem. In fact, our system seems to be one of the most complex ones out there w/ WRs having difficulty learning it.

The only possible issue may be w/ the OL. We would need an OL coach versed in that system for it to work. We need new OL players anyway.

 

[Huckleberry1]

The team will of course Interview outside the organization, however in my humble opinion it's Obrien or Caley... Curran mentioned Caley was approached last off season about being the playcaller, turned it down becuase he wasn't given the title!

Link?

I have searched high and low for anything demonstrating that Nick Caley turned down the play calling duties and I could not find anything to support that. And to be clear, Angelo from Everett doesn’t count.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Charlie Wiess, Jr.

LOL just to see NEM turn over in his grave.

Actually he is doing a good job at Ole Miss. Obviously close to the same system the Pats have run for years, but with a hint of youth and enthusiasm.

I was opposed to going away from the Erhardt-Perkins offense as long as Brady was here, but he’s gone, and it’s time to retire that system. Defenses are now much faster and far more athletic than they were even 20 years ago, and the Patriots can either die trying to run an outdated system, or make a significant change to adapt to todays game. It’s time to go to a RPO system, and while there are numerous young coaches they could call upon to bring that system to NE my first choice would be Frank Reich, who could also become the head coach when Belichick hangs them up, which isn’t far off. I would rather see them make the system change, and move on from their current QB’s than to try and succeed by staying with the system to fit the current QB’s. Reich has experience working with pocket QB’s to be able to make that transition from the current QB’s to one that will lead them in the future. And Philly has shown how quickly you can make that transition if you make the right moves.

 

[NashuaPats]

Who cares about heirs?

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

Just like prince Charles

 

[jdlboot14]

a new name just occurred to me for OC... Mike McCoy.

He's currently the QB coach for the Jags, but was the OC with JMD in Denver 09/10.
He has clearly done a great job turning Lawrence around this year. And he's a steady guy, with HC experience.
Chargers passing offense was good those years with Rivers (even though their record wasn't great)

 

[captain stone]

If I were a betting man, I would place one on Kingsbury.

EDIT: Sent this before learning of Kliffie's plans to ride the Thailand Express...Oops!

 

[captain stone]

It appears that Kingsbury is heading off to Thailand semi-permanently so not a good bet. However, Zach Kittley is sort of his mini-Me.

Yeah I had no idea he needed a "sabbatical" from the high-stress life of an NFL HC in... Arizona...

Hard Knocks claims another victim (or two, if Keim was also fired).

 

[ralmat55]

Yeah I had no idea he needed a "sabbatical" from the high-stress life of an NFL HC in... Arizona...

Hard Knocks claims another victim (or two, if Keim was also fired).

Keim stepped down for “medical reasons “, so it claimed them both.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Mike “Kraft’s 5th son” Reiss speculates on candidates today, which I’m taking as informed speculation….

- Bill O’Brien
- Kliff Kingsbury
- Ol’ Googly eyes Adam Gase
- Keenan McCardell (Vikings WR coach, former player with BB)
- Shawn Jefferson (receivers coach with both Gase and Kingsbury, yes, that Shawn Jefferson)
- Doug Nussmeier (Cowboys QB coach)
- Nick Caley, but thinks he’s a long shot because he would have gotten the job last year if they wanted him there

What I take as more interesting is that Reiss is also strongly speculating that the OL coach is also up in the air.

Who will Belichick consider as he begins search for Patriots' OC?

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Just like KING Charles

Fixed that for you

 

[patfanken]

O'Brien was HC of the Texans when they did everything they possibly could as quickly as they possibly could to blow a 24-0 lead in Kansas City in a playoff game. No thank you.

well what he did as a HC isn't relevant when his is an OC. As just the OC he has a HC who can slow him down. There IS a difference

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Mike “Kraft’s 5th son” Reiss speculates on candidates today, which I’m taking as informed speculation….

- Bill O’Brien
- Kliff Kingsbury

- Ol’ Googly eyes Adam Gase

no way in hell

- Keenan McCardell (Vikings WR coach, former player with BB)
- Shawn Jefferson (receivers coach with both Gase and Kingsbury, yes, that Shawn Jefferson)
- Doug Nussmeier (Cowboys QB coach)

interesting new names, thanks, need to look them up

- Nick Caley, but thinks he’s a long shot because he would have gotten the job last year if they wanted him there

no way in hell

What I take as more interesting is that Reiss is also strongly speculating that the OL coach is also up in the air.

if it wouldn't be up in the air i would be really upset, patricia can't coach the o-line

Who will Belichick consider as he begins search for Patriots' OC?

hopefully brian johnson

 

[patfanken]

Yea, I'm talking about the new OC, playbook and the future, not about Mac. Regardless of the stark difference in O numbers, both seasons ended the same: no division title & no playoff wins. To me that spells failure.

I'm simply proposing that given Bill will retire soon, we should be looking at starting a transition into a new system that can compete w/ our Conference rivals. A system that includes explosive plays which will be needed against the Mahomes, Allen and Burrow led teams.

The playbook this season was simplified mainly because it was too complex for Patricia and Judge. If we're going to keep the same old, complex system that was tailored around Brady, then we should just keep Caley, who apparently is well versed in the playbook.

I don't think it's about the playbook, but the LANGUAGE, or semantics. Whomever the Pats bring into the fold will need to transpose what he wants to do into the current language that the Pats speak. BOB speaks that language as well as Calley and Kingsbury. So while they may have different route trees and ideas about attacking different fronts, etc, than Josh, the SEMANTICS needs to stay the same.

 

[patfanken]

I was opposed to going away from the Erhardt-Perkins offense as long as Brady was here, but he’s gone, and it’s time to retire that system. Defenses are now much faster and far more athletic than they were even 20 years ago, and the Patriots can either die trying to run an outdated system, or make a significant change to adapt to todays game. It’s time to go to a RPO system, and while there are numerous young coaches they could call upon to bring that system to NE my first choice would be Frank Reich, who could also become the head coach when Belichick hangs them up, which isn’t far off. I would rather see them make the system change, and move on from their current QB’s than to try and succeed by staying with the system to fit the current QB’s. Reich has experience working with pocket QB’s to be able to make that transition from the current QB’s to one that will lead them in the future. And Philly has shown how quickly you can make that transition if you make the right moves.

Interesting, Ivan, but that might be the exact reason to keep this "tired old system". Bill has often and SUCCESSFULLY ran opposite of what wa "trendy" in the NFL. When 95% of the NFL was running 4 man fronts, Bill went with his more flexible 3 man front AND succeeded. When the league decided that 3 man fronts where the current trend, Bill went back to a 4 man front and thrived. Its ALWAYS like this, what is old becomes trendy and back and forth. The RPO isn't new at all. It's just a ripoff of the VERY old single wing offenses of nearly 100 years ago

If there is ANYTHING I don't worry about is Bill being inflexible about making changes to his offense. THIS offense has its ROOTS in the Erhardt-Perkins scheme, but it has long since evolved into areas that have changed over the years, depending on the OC and the talent that was there over the years.

But as I have said earlier in this thread, it's the LANGUAGE that is the biggest and most long lasting gift the Perkins systems has left us. (and off course that has evolved over the years as well.)

 

[patfanken]

As to the OP, I have always felt that this "experiment" we had this year was merely a holding action while Bill waited for BOB to fulfill his obligations down in Alabama. He is clearly the ideal choice. BUT........

..... a lot depends on what BOB wants for his future. I don't think Bill wants to hire an OC who is going to leave after a year or two for the next great college or pro job. I think it would have to be at LEAST a 3 year commitment to the job and that might take him out of the running. Let just say he makes Mac back into what we saw in his first year, he's be at the top of everyone's list.

IF the deal includes the sidebar that as soon as Bill passes Shula he'd take over THAT might be another thing. OR if BOB is no longer so ambitious that he craves the power of being the head guy and wants to wind down his career back to his roots in NE as the OC of the NEP.
IF in the end BOB is named the guy, then one of those 2 narratives will apply

 

[Sciz]

Mike “Kraft’s 5th son” Reiss speculates on candidates today, which I’m taking as informed speculation….

- Bill O’Brien
- Kliff Kingsbury
- Ol’ Googly eyes Adam Gase
- Keenan McCardell (Vikings WR coach, former player with BB)
- Shawn Jefferson (receivers coach with both Gase and Kingsbury, yes, that Shawn Jefferson)
- Doug Nussmeier (Cowboys QB coach)
- Nick Caley, but thinks he’s a long shot because he would have gotten the job last year if they wanted him there

What I take as more interesting is that Reiss is also strongly speculating that the OL coach is also up in the air.

Who will Belichick consider as he begins search for Patriots' OC?

Multiple mentions of Marrone as OL coach (plus another tweet) is pretty suspicious for a guy who may not even be available. Sounds like Reiss might know something.