Report: Mac was reaching out to other coaches about his frustrations with the offense

[captain stone]

If true, then Both Phatt Matt & Judge Joey should be Immediately escorted from the building, with all of their belongings in trash bags, appropriately.

 

[VJCPatriot]

If Raiders want Mac, do you trade Mac for Raider's first rounder?

In a heartbeat. That's the #7 overall pick!

 

[VJCPatriot]

If true, then Both Phatt Matt & Judge Joey should be Immediately escorted from the building, with all of their belongings in trash bags, appropriately.

Even if it wasn't true, MattP and Joe Judge's work this season already speaks for itself. They need to be removed from their current positions ASAP.

 

[sb1]

It's not. Did a comparison on that:

Mac:


Zappe:


Mac has the stronger arm, at least at this point in time.

Although, again, as I said previously, it's not a 100% fair comparison. Mac had an entire offseason to get stronger, which Zappe didn't have being a rookie. He'll have that now, so we'll see if things change when we see him again in training camp.

Also Zappe's second int in the Bears game. That's not a good arm at all.


Totally agree, Zappe will have all offseason to improve his arm strength.

 

[sb1]

In a heartbeat. That's the #7 overall pick!

Can't wait for other teams fans to accuse Josh of still being on the Pats payroll lol

 

[venecol]

Bingo. If I'm a leader and I've felt slighted by someone going around/above/outside of me to vent, complain, etc. - I always urge myself to ask "Well. There's something here that I'm not seeing or understanding. And while it's okay to feel slighted, what's more important is to calmly figure out _why_ this happened."

Often times the only way to figure that out is to sit down with someone, disarmed and listening.

IMO, you never get anywhere when treating a symptom with aggressiveness (talking philosophically here, when I say aggressive I mean with a binary, 'NO THAT'S BAD, LET ME MAKE AN EXAMPLE OUT OF THIS'). Because the further the symptom is removed from the issue, the more blowback an aggressive approach has.

Yea that describes Bellichick to a tee. Not. He just finished alledgedly making an example out of Jack Jones in front of the entire team.

Bill isn't changing. He's too old to do that. He's trying to adapt, which isn't the same. His core principals won't allow this to be anything other than a sign of disloyalty.

I'm not surprised or even bothered by what Mac did and agree with you, but no way does Bill see it this way. Wilfork said if they had and questions or complaints they'd talk it out amongst themselves, never outside the building. That's a no-no.

 

[venecol]

It's not. Did a comparison on that:

Mac:


Zappe:


Mac has the stronger arm, at least at this point in time.

Although, again, as I said previously, it's not a 100% fair comparison. Mac had an entire offseason to get stronger, which Zappe didn't have being a rookie. He'll have that now, so we'll see if things change when we see him again in training camp.

Noticed that the Zappe clock reads .76 when ball is caught then jumps to .90 immediately. The Mac throw gets to .76 and stops.

I can't believe you doctored the clocks to make Zappe look worse. You must be a Zappe hater.

 

[Ian]

Noticed that the Zappe clock reads .76 when ball is caught then jumps to .90 immediately. The Mac throw gets to .76 and stops.

I can't believe you doctored the clocks to make Zappe look worse. You must be a Zappe hater.

Lol, no, not the case. I just did a better job moving the little clock thing more smoothly on one vs the other.

 

[nextsuperstar]

That’s a very noncommittal comment that means absolutely nothing and is purely speculative.

 

[Hades]

It's not. Did a comparison on that:

Mac:


Zappe:


Mac has the stronger arm, at least at this point in time.

Although, again, as I said previously, it's not a 100% fair comparison. Mac had an entire offseason to get stronger, which Zappe didn't have being a rookie. He'll have that now, so we'll see if things change when we see him again in training camp.

Looks to my eyes like Bailey's is a longer throw also, started at 34, to the 49..15 yards in the air compared to Mac's clip which appears to be about 12 yards airborne.

The whole thing is subjective and proves nothing, considering touch and how hard they were trying to throw, if we are comparing who throws the most floaters I think we all know who the winner would be.

 

[Ian]

Looks to my eyes like Bailey's is a longer throw also, started at 34, to the 49..15 yards in the air compared to Mac's clip which appears to be about 12 yards airborne.

The whole thing is subjective and proves nothing, considering touch and how hard they were trying to throw, if we are comparing who throws the most floaters I think we all know who the winner would be.

One yard difference (20 vs 21). The start/caught lines are listed (a little caption pops up with it). And Mac throws his flat-footed, Bailey has to crow-hop twice and give it his all.

Again, as I said, not 100% fair comparison because Mac had a year in strength/conditioning in the NFL on him.

 

[venecol]

Lol, no, not the case. I just did a better job moving the little clock thing more smoothly on one vs the other.

I assume the two throws are the same distance. So you're saying Zappe's velocity is 16% slower than Macs? Not buying it. That's like a HS QB vs an NFL QB level of difference. Please check it again.

 

[Deus Irae]

Belichick did.

2 years of a rookie contract are gone now, though, and last year was a down year. Even if you assign 0% of the blame to the QB, you're still looking at just 1-2 years before you've got to pony up the big bucks.

And that changes things.

 

[Ross12]

It's not. Did a comparison on that:

Mac:


Zappe:


Mac has the stronger arm, at least at this point in time.

Although, again, as I said previously, it's not a 100% fair comparison. Mac had an entire offseason to get stronger, which Zappe didn't have being a rookie. He'll have that now, so we'll see if things change when we see him again in training camp.

Thanks for sharing Ian. I'd say both have "fine" arms. Mac's is a little better but neither is standout and neither is bad.

 

[Ian]

I assume the two throws are the same distance. So you're saying Zappe's velocity is 16% slower than Macs? Not buying it. That's like a HS QB vs an NFL QB level of difference. Please check it again.

Zappe's throw was 21yds, Mac's was 20 (air yards)

And here's an updated version where the clock again starts on Zappe's release and it's kept stationary above the receiver and stops on the catch. I also did it at a higher frame rate:

 

[Ian]

Thanks for sharing Ian. I'd say both have "fine" arms. Mac's is a little better but neither is standout and neither is bad.

The point was just Mac vs Zappe in terms of arm-strength. Mac threw his flat-footed, Zappe crow-hopped twice and oomphed it in there. Again, Mac has the edge, but he also has a year of development and Zappe will likely be probably in the same spot next year. Neither is obviously Justin Herbert, so I would say "fine"is a good adjective in this case

 

[jimnance]

It does kinda feel like there's a not-super-unlikely chance that Mac's not here in 2023...

Ross, my ?main man, you got 3 negatives in there.
I had only 4 hours of sleep.
My brain damn near self-imploded trying to figure out what you're saying here.
I gave up out of self-preservation

 

[Ross12]

Ross, my ?main man, you got 3 negatives in there.
I had only 4 hours of sleep.
My brain damn near self-imploded trying to figure out what you're saying here.
I gave up out of self-preservation

English teacher would be disappointed in me. I'll try to get better this offseason.

 

[crawhammer]

@Zappe Hour @PatsFan2 @captain stone @Triumph @Ross12 @Hades @Pats1971 @crawhammer @Dingleberry @ArchAngel007 @venecol @203Pat and his homies

Troubling news for members of the Mac Jones Haters *********** Club: whenever the Patriots pro shop issues items like this (below), the player usually sticks around for the coming season. So barring the unforeseen, the kid you love to hate will be here in 2023. You might want to get your own copy now regardless; if Mac is traded, it will become a collector's item. If not, you can vent your anger throwing darts at it. A recommended slogan for you: Go Pats In Spite of Mac!

I don't think the calendar has any bearing on Mac remaining the quarterback. Is Belichick running the pro shop too?

Your chosen name for the "club" is a bit harsh as well.

 

[venecol]

Zappe's throw was 21yds, Mac's was 20 (air yards)

And here's an updated version where the clock again starts on Zappe's release and it's kept stationary above the receiver and stops on the catch. I also did it at a higher frame rate:

So Zappe's throw is 15.9 mph which is incredibly slow. That tells me he was trying to give it touch to lead wide open receiver to YAC since he had 3 steps on the coverage. He gets 5-6 YAC. It wasn't a tight window throw at all.

Mac's throw is at 17.9 mph, also slow but in between 2 defenders. He needed to get ball in faster because there was a DB coming from the other side. Receiver gets maybe 1 YAC.

These aren't the same type of conditions at all.

What is going on in this forum: first @Ross12 is a Mac-hater, now Ian a Zappe-hater. Very negative and toxic place. Lol