Report: Mac was reaching out to other coaches about his frustrations with the offense

[Triumph]

Belichick did.

There you go.

Thats why Jones isnt worth a 3rd.

 

[Ross12]

“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”​

- Socrates

There’s nothing new about this generation. It is as it’s always been. And 20 years from now, this group will start saying that the next generation is disrespectful and entitled.

Your point is noted, but at the same time I think it’s worth acknowledging the differences with a generation that’s grown up being able to just disengage with anything they don’t like and go find an echo chamber that supports their point of view on the internet somewhere at any time, instead of just having to adapt to the community that they’re physically a part of. Athletes probably have that lessened a bit since the locker room brings that physical community back around, but still something to think about.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

The biggest thing that separates Brady from Jones, beside the 20 year difference and the bigger brain, is what's hurting Jones now with Bill. Brady was a more subservient QB with an extreme sense of respect for authority. That made him the perfect player for an authoritarian like Bill. Mac Jones isn't like that and maybe no QBs are like that now. It could be a sign that Bill and Patricia are behind the times with the newer players and that they may need to move on from the my way or the highway approach.

There is merit in the point that Brady seemed more willing to respect authority. It was also a much different situation from Mac given the solid coaching from Wiess, a much stronger surrounding team and the expectations that come with being a first round draft pick. With BB taking the lead on making changes and implicitly admitting his mistakes, Mac also needs to do the same. The last few games are hopeful signs that process has already started since new info coming out is from mid season when things were really hitting the fan.

 

[Guts]

@Zappe Hour @PatsFan2 @captain stone @Triumph @Ross12 @Hades @Pats1971 @crawhammer @Dingleberry @ArchAngel007 @venecol @203Pat and his homies

Troubling news for members of the Mac Jones Haters *********** Club: whenever the Patriots pro shop issues items like this (below), the player usually sticks around for the coming season. So barring the unforeseen, the kid you love to hate will be here in 2023. You might want to get your own copy now regardless; if Mac is traded, it will become a collector's item. If not, you can vent your anger throwing darts at it. A recommended slogan for you: Go Pats In Spite of Mac!

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For the record I'm not anti Mac. All I said was if the article was true he lacks mental toughness.

 

[Tunescribe]

First of all - don’t think it’s fair to label all of these listed posters “Mac Haters”. I don’t think I’ve hated on him. There’s a big divide between being critical of someone and just trashing them. I’m critical of some parts of his performance and his conduct, at times, but if the team does elect to keep him (which at the end of the day, I think is still the much more likely outcome) I’ll absolutely root for him to succeed and hope that the situation is better.

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Attempting to "diplomatically" parse it out doesn't change where you're coming from. Without question, Mac Jones deserves criticism for how he handled himself this past season. Yet there is a stark difference between continually piling on a player as you and others have vs. pulling for him to improve and do well for the sake of team success. Which you haven't, while entertaining trade scenarios alongside fantasies of Bailey Zappe supplanting him.

Maybe Mac isn't "the answer" for this team. Maybe he will be traded or get beaten out in training camp and if either happens so be it, all I care about is WINNING. But as long as the coaches put him out there he will have my support as a fan warts and all, which can't be said for you or the other "haters" (or perhaps you would prefer a kinder, gentler term like "doggedly enthusiastic critics").

Second - I don’t know how a wall calendar can be indicative of a roster move (or lack thereof). Did the pro shop call Bill and ask him if the player is definitely staying before they made it? Also, I see it says it “includes September - December 2022” which leads me to believe it was published last fall, before most of these challenges ever occurred and the concept of Mac not being on the team in 2023 had really entered anyone’s minds.

You're funny. Yup, you can always hold out hope they got it wrong despite "2023 Wall Calendar" gracing the cover. Keep those fingers crossed!

Especially since Bob Kraft bought this team I've noted how uncannily accurate the pro shop's marketing decisions are with this sort of thing. It could be they just play the percentages, in which case you might finally get your Mac Jones 2023 calendar on clearance at a bargain-basement price. Or they take cues directly from the front office, also a possibility.

 

[RodThePat]

There is merit in the point that Brady seemed more willing to respect authority. It was also a much different situation from Mac given the solid coaching from Wiess, a much stronger surrounding team and the expectations that come with being a first round draft pick. With BB taking the lead on making changes and implicitly admitting his mistakes, Mac also needs to do the same. The last few games are hopeful signs that process has already started since new info coming out is from mid season when things were really hitting the fan.

He took over a team that had won 5 of its previous 18 games and was ranked dead last in Dr. Z's power rankings before his first start. Bill Belichick also wasn't the deity he is now. If anything due to both the circumstances of the team and Bill's status at the time he was drafted, Mac should have been expected to give Bill a lot more deference than Brady did.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Bears vs Pats

Mac Jones
Drives
1 - Punt - 2 pass attempts - 1 completion - Passes of -1 yard = - 1 yard
2 - Punt - 1 attempt - 1 completion - Passes of 2 yards = 2 yards
3 - INT - 4 pass attempts - 1 completion - Passes of 12 yards = 12 yards

Mac 42% completion rate - 7 attempts - 3 completions - 13 passing yards - 0 TDs - 1 INT

Bears 10 - 0 Pats

Enter Bailey Zappe
Drives
1 - TD - 3 attempts - 3 completions - Passes of 4, 20 and 30 = 54 yards
2 - TD - 1 attempt - 1 completion - Passes of 43 yards = 43 yards
Zappe 100% completion rate - 4 attempts - 4 completions - 97 passing yards - 1 TD - 0 INT

Bears 10 - 14 Pats
What did Bill Beleichick do wrong? Show me where the wrong decision was made to sit the Bambino?

Zappe had the exact same OC, OL, WRs, TEs as poor old Mac yet when Mac loses its Patricia's fault, but when Zappe loses its all because of him.

Zappe is 2 - 0 as a starter. He nearly pulled of beating Green Bay in Green Bay coming in cold as ice of the bench. He started out hot vs Chicago but made mistakes that need to be corrected.

Chicago Bears at New England Patriots - October 24th, 2022 | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Chicago Bears 33 at New England Patriots 14 on October 24th, 2022 - Full team and player stats and box score

www.pro-football-reference.com

Why is it that people cannot see that Zappe does not have an NFL arm?

 

[archstanton543]

He took over a team that had won 5 of its previous 18 games and was ranked dead last in Dr. Z's power rankings before his first start. Bill Belichick also wasn't the deity he is now. If anything due to both the circumstances of the team and Bill's status at the time he was drafted, Mac should have been expected to give Bill a lot more deference than Brady did.

But Mac was shown yelling at Phat Matt. Where was he yelling at BB on the sidelines? I'll hang up and listen.

 

[Triumph]

First of all - don’t think it’s fair to label all of these listed posters “Mac Haters”.

What list?

Did I make the cut?

What is it with the city of Boston always hitching their wagons to the ugly duckling? Nomar, remember him? He was like some sort of reincarnation of Ted Williams. Boston fans came out of the woodwork to see him do nothing but go through his sign language batting ritual. Then you had Johnny Damon. His dad thought the he was the next Babe Ruth. Bostonians would dress up just like Damon and worship the ground that he walked on. Craig Janney was supposed to be the next Bobby Orr. Bledsoe. Back around 1999, some Jets fans started a fake rumor that Bledsoe was traded and it spread like fire on the internet. The world was literally coming to an end in NE. Today, the bleeding heart's have their full and devoted loyalty set on defending Mac Jones.

 

[RodThePat]

But Mac was shown yelling at Phat Matt. Where was he yelling at BB on the sidelines? I'll hang up and listen.

He never bought into the plan on offense for a second and has been whining ever since, now possibly going over Bill's head to solicit coaching advice elsewhere. But sure, yelling is the only way to show insubordination.

 

[sb1]

Why is it that people cannot see that Zappe does not have an NFL arm?

There's a good reason why a guy with the stats that he had in college fell to the 4th round. Tbh I think the Pats could have signed him as a UDFA.

Sure he's probably more likeable than Mac. So was Cam Newton and I don't want that guy starting here either.

 

[Tunescribe]

I am honored to be included within a group of rascals who are ruining Patsfans with their negativity, I guess. I have been pretty consistent with my view of Mac:

I think Belichick set Mac up to fail this year. AND I don't believe Mac is not good enough to be good enough, but I am fine seeing a year 3 with a real OC. AND I hope to be proven wrong.

Maybe Ian will finally rid this board of these radical viewpoints, and you and the Space man can rename this place the Vagina Monologues while bemoaning every obstacle that is keeping Mac from greatness. Or maybe another moderatrix will come along who will try to keep anti-groupthink at bay.

Until then, opinions that Mac isn't very good are just going to have to be endured if they slip through the mutes, ignores, and other tools of the sensitive.

As a Patriots fan, I really hope I am wrong about Mac. Would love to eat crow.

My two takeaways from this blither blather:

1). I have never turned down a monologue with a willing vagina.

2). I happen to like crows, all of whom share the root name Carl (Carlos, Carlita, Carlissimo, etc.). You are not allowed to eat them.

 

[archstanton543]

He never bought into the plan on offense for a second and has been whining ever since, now possibly going over Bill's head to solicit coaching advice elsewhere. But sure, yelling is the only way to show insubordination.

But the offensive system sucked. I'm sure if you're boss came up with a work plan that was terrible, you'd gripe either to coworkers or to the boss directly.

And those are just rumors that he was contacting McD. The media is trying to kick the Pats while they're down and generate controversy.

The only sign of "insubordination" from Mac that we know of for sure was directed at Matt and for good reason because Matt just lost his OC job.

 

[Triumph]

Why is it that people cannot see that Zappe does not have an NFL arm?

Why dont you get to work and show everyone with facts that your boy Mac has an NFL arm?

You cant.

 

[Tunescribe]

Why dont you get to work and show everyone with facts that your boy Mac has an NFL arm?

You cant.

You wouldn't know "facts" if they hit you in the butt like a load of rock salt from momma's shotgun. Uh-oh ...

 

[venecol]

First of all - don’t think it’s fair to label all of these listed posters “Mac Haters”. I don’t think I’ve hated on him. There’s a big divide between being critical of someone and just trashing them. I’m critical of some parts of his performance and his conduct, at times, but if the team does elect to keep him (which at the end of the day, I think is still the much more likely outcome) I’ll absolutely root for him to succeed and hope that the situation is better.

Second - I don’t know how a wall calendar can be indicative of a roster move (or lack thereof). Did the pro shop call Bill and ask him if the player is definitely staying before they made it? Also, I see it says it “includes September - December 2022” which leads me to believe it was published last fall, before most of these challenges ever occurred and the concept of Mac not being on the team in 2023 had really entered anyone’s minds.

Winner post.

 

[venecol]

“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”​

- Socrates

There’s nothing new about this generation. It is as it’s always been. And 20 years from now, this group will start saying that the next generation is disrespectful and entitled.

Right. As it relates to generational differences, you're correct, this will always happen. I'm not necessarily complaining because I try to have an open mind because of the above. I think that with the increase in technological advances that went from every 50 years to decades and now seems like a yearly thing, the differences are happening faster. Look at Law, Wilfork, and Mayo all basically saying the same thing, and now throw in Jules. That's a playing period from 1995-2020. These guys are Gen X and Millenials, yet they're all pointing out differences with the younger Millenials and the Zers.

I blame it on SM. Lol

 

[Stu Pidassle]

He took over a team that had won 5 of its previous 18 games and was ranked dead last in Dr. Z's power rankings before his first start. Bill Belichick also wasn't the deity he is now. If anything due to both the circumstances of the team and Bill's status at the time he was drafted, Mac should have been expected to give Bill a lot more deference than Brady did.

There were no issues year 1, the problems started this year. It also seems as if Mac was influenced when BB stepped in after he heard about reaching out to other coaches.

 

[jdlboot14]

The one thing that could work - if Mac and BB need to break up is...
Trade Mac to LV
Sign Jimmy G for 3-4 years on a modest deal
Hire Mike LaFleur as OC (he worked with Jimmy G for 4 years in SF)
Zappe is the understudy, sign another mid-level vet QB to compete (Mike White, Heineke, Beathard/Mullens)

That said, I'd like to see Mac work out here, and have a year of redemption with a legit Offensive coach and system.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

This guy has an interesting take on millennials...

according to him im not a millenial.. ive always been right on the fence, depending on who you talk to

I was born in 83, he defines millenials as anyone born from 84 to like 2000\


btw Millenials are going to save the US economy as we head into this new world order where the US isnt patrolling the global oceans providing protection to everyone with their navy, allowing them to access any market they want

Peter Zeihan loves to needle millenials, but says they will be the saviors of the US economy as the biggest consumer base in the world. Boomers with the capital are all retiring, but there are more millenials in the US than the rest of the world has combined and that is the generation that now has settled into careers, are buying houses, starting families and spending, spending, spending... which is what our economy needs to survive


I think millenials started a new mindset towards careers and work tho, we don't define ourselves by our jobs like a lot of the older generations did. We want to work to live, not live to work which can come across as laziness but millenials are very efficient workers for the most part and can accomplish more in a shorter time in the IT world as an example