Report: Mac was reaching out to other coaches about his frustrations with the offense

[venecol]

It was interesting to hear Fauria's thoughts on it as an ex-NFL player. Fauria said Mac likely couldn't go to his coaches to ask the "why?" questions as they were likely to getting mad at him during meetings, etc... Fauria said when he played in Seattle there was a similar situation. The players had questions but wouldn't go the TE coach because the TE coach was close to the head coach and would tell the HC the players were questioning things. He said in NE it was different. He said the players could talk to the TE coach about anything 'cause they trusted he wouldn't go to Belichick. He said the TE coach would even complain to them about certain things. So to him he thought Mac had no one in the organization he could talk to about what was going on and why it was going on. Patricia and Judge are Belichick guys. So he went to someone outside the organization he trusted, but that person wasn't to trustworthy as Belichick found out.

Here's Wilfork putting the blame on the players. Ty Law blamed the players also. Jules has also talked about how "different" these young players are. Mayo also said these young players are "different" than when he was playing and that Bill has tried to adapt. It's all consistent. Bill is having a hard time relating to this younger generation.

"I think a lot has to do with the players, honestly,” Wilfork said. “It’s the quality of players and just understanding how important it is to play as a team with the system. The Patriots made a lot of bonehead plays over the past two years, especially just talking about this past year. Mistakes that they made, normally as a Bill Belichick team they don’t make those mistakes. We used to laugh at teams and we used to put those teams on the video screen and say, ‘Hey, we can’t play like this and we won’t play like this.’ But now all of a sudden, they become that team. So I think that’s a lack of focus honestly, and it starts with the players. Players gotta understand coaches coach, players play. There was a lot of times where I got defensive calls that I didn’t like, but I had to try to execute it to the best of my ability."

“I think it’s too many people that’s individuals instead of being one. Everybody wants to make a play. Your team starts listening to outside of the building and what you need to do, and what they need to do, and individuals take it upon themselves to try to do that. That’s a no-no. So at the end of the day you’ve gotta stick to the course and stick to the plan because 11 is better than one.”

“These guys don’t respect the game and don’t respect the coaches the way we used to. I’ve never seen anybody talk back to Bill,” Wilfork said. “As a leader and as a captain of course we have conversations on things that we might not like, but that’s behind closed doors and that’s not us challenging Bill. It’s us trying to get a better understanding of what’s going on. But as far as talking back to a coach? Like, no. You don’t do that. But this new era of football, these kids feel entitled.”

Vince Wilfork: Patriots have too many ‘individuals’ now, players ‘want to be rappers’

Vince Wilfork said the Patriots used to laugh at other teams who made the 'bonehead' plays New England had this year.

www.masslive.com

 

[Foxypats]

Wilfolk is absolutely right. I see the same thing at work, all the twenty somethings want everything handed to them, they don't put in the effort that is required to make it far . (not everyone of course but a vast majority ). I hope I haven't offended anyone but this is my opinion and I am sticking to it.!!!

 

[venecol]

Wilfolk is absolutely right. I see the same thing at work, all the twenty somethings want everything handed to them, they don't put in the effort that is required to make it far . (not everyone of course but a vast majority ). I hope I haven't offended anyone but this is my opinion and I am sticking to it.!!!

I don't want to generalize either because obviously not everyone is the same (my daughter over prepares & kicks ass, my son is lazy AF), but I see the same thing.

They don't do any research, even when you give them a long detailed email, they don't want to read it but want me to tell them. Think about a 70 yo Belichick dealing w/ these kids. It's not working.

 

[venecol]

Lmao, this dude doesn't give up.

 

[Rob0729]

Lmao, this dude doesn't give up.

This is the same account that said last month it was a done deal that Belichick was stepping down as head coach.

 

[1960Pats]

i think so, im turning 40 in a few months and im a millenial

we were a nice punching bag for the older generations, but time to pass the baton

This guy has an interesting take on millennials...

 

[Tunescribe]

@Zappe Hour @PatsFan2 @captain stone @Triumph @Ross12 @Hades @Pats1971 @crawhammer @Dingleberry @ArchAngel007 @venecol @203Pat and his homies

Troubling news for members of the Mac Jones Haters *********** Club: whenever the Patriots pro shop issues items like this (below), the player usually sticks around for the coming season. So barring the unforeseen, the kid you love to hate will be here in 2023. You might want to get your own copy now regardless; if Mac is traded, it will become a collector's item. If not, you can vent your anger throwing darts at it. A recommended slogan for you: Go Pats In Spite of Mac!

 

[1960Pats]

No one is giving a first rounder for Mac.

Belichick did.

 

[Betterthanmost]

BB should accept all responsibility for all actions and response from his disastrous decision to have the coaches he had this year. It was obvious the team did not have confidence in the coaches and thus tried to do too much on the field. Having WR and TEs run into each other on many occasions should embarrass him. He should understand Mac. Mac does not know him well and he should understand if Mac thought he was losing his mind because I thought the same as well and I am a BB fan thru and thru.
He said at the beginning of the season that the buck stopped with him.

 

[1960Pats]

The biggest thing that separates Brady from Jones, beside the 20 year difference and the bigger brain, is what's hurting Jones now with Bill. Brady was a more subservient QB with an extreme sense of respect for authority. That made him the perfect player for an authoritarian like Bill. Mac Jones isn't like that and maybe no QBs are like that now. It could be a sign that Bill and Patricia are behind the times with the newer players and that they may need to move on from the my way or the highway approach.

 

[Tunescribe]

The biggest thing that separates Brady from Jones, beside the 20 year difference and the bigger brain, is what's hurting Jones now with Bill. Brady was a more subservient QB with an extreme sense of respect for authority.

Was it Brady's bigger brain that got Bruce Arians fired? Or did he just outgrow his "extreme sense of respect for authority"?

 

[archstanton543]

Was it Brady's bigger brain that got Bruce Arians fired? Or did he just outgrow his "extreme sense of respect for authority"?

 

[Ross12]

@Zappe Hour @PatsFan2 @captain stone @Triumph @Ross12 @Hades @Pats1971 @crawhammer @Dingleberry @ArchAngel007 @venecol @203Pat and his homies

Troubling news for members of the Mac Jones Haters *********** Club: whenever the Patriots pro shop issues items like this (below), the player usually sticks around for the coming season. So barring the unforeseen, the kid you love to hate will be here in 2023. You might want to get your own copy now regardless; if Mac is traded, it will become a collector's item. If not, you can vent your anger throwing darts at it. A recommended slogan for you: Go Pats In Spite of Mac!

First of all - don’t think it’s fair to label all of these listed posters “Mac Haters”. I don’t think I’ve hated on him. There’s a big divide between being critical of someone and just trashing them. I’m critical of some parts of his performance and his conduct, at times, but if the team does elect to keep him (which at the end of the day, I think is still the much more likely outcome) I’ll absolutely root for him to succeed and hope that the situation is better.

Second - I don’t know how a wall calendar can be indicative of a roster move (or lack thereof). Did the pro shop call Bill and ask him if the player is definitely staying before they made it? Also, I see it says it “includes September - December 2022” which leads me to believe it was published last fall, before most of these challenges ever occurred and the concept of Mac not being on the team in 2023 had really entered anyone’s minds.

 

[sb1]

In a nano-second.

For the Raiders first rounder #7 overall are you kidding me? BB should be fired immediately if he doesn’t accept that.

 

[archstanton543]

For the Raiders first rounder #7 overall are you kidding me? BB should be fired immediately if he doesn’t accept that.

Never going to happen.

 

[Dingleberry]

@Zappe Hour @PatsFan2 @captain stone @Triumph @Ross12 @Hades @Pats1971 @crawhammer @Dingleberry @ArchAngel007 @venecol @203Pat and his homies

Troubling news for members of the Mac Jones Haters *********** Club: whenever the Patriots pro shop issues items like this (below), the player usually sticks around for the coming season. So barring the unforeseen, the kid you love to hate will be here in 2023. You might want to get your own copy now regardless; if Mac is traded, it will become a collector's item. If not, you can vent your anger throwing darts at it. A recommended slogan for you: Go Pats In Spite of Mac!

I am honored to be included within a group of rascals who are ruining Patsfans with their negativity, I guess. I have been pretty consistent with my view of Mac:

I think Belichick set Mac up to fail this year. AND I don't believe Mac is good enough to be good enough, but I am fine seeing a year 3 with a real OC. AND I hope to be proven wrong.

Maybe Ian will finally rid this board of these radical viewpoints, and you and the Space man can rename this place the Vagina Monologues while bemoaning every obstacle that is keeping Mac from greatness. Or maybe another moderatrix will come along who will try to keep anti-groupthink at bay.

Until then, opinions that Mac isn't very good are just going to have to be endured if they slip through the mutes, ignores, and other tools of the sensitive.

As a Patriots fan, I really hope I am wrong about Mac. Would love to eat crow.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

First of all - don’t think it’s fair to label all of these listed posters “Mac Haters”. I don’t think I’ve hated on him. There’s a big divide between being critical of someone and just trashing them. I’m critical of some parts of his performance and his conduct, at times, but if the team does elect to keep him (which at the end of the day, I think is still the much more likely outcome) I’ll absolutely root for him to succeed and hope that the situation is better.

for some people here being critical of a player means that we hate them which is complete wrong. they can't differentiate between being criticism but still obv rooting for him and the team. They don't understand that you not always need to say go pats to root for them. Just bc someone mentiones e.g. Jones weaknesses and doesn't talk about his strength means that you are not rooting for him or the team.

Second - I don’t know how a wall calendar can be indicative of a roster move (or lack thereof). Did the pro shop call Bill and ask him if the player is definitely staying before they made it? Also, I see it says it “includes September - December 2022” which leads me to believe it was published last fall, before most of these challenges ever occurred and the concept of Mac not being on the team in 2023 had really entered anyone’s minds.

 

[Ross12]

I am honored to be included within a group of rascals who are ruining Patsfans with their negativity, I guess. I have been pretty consistent with my view of Mac:

I think Belichick set Mac up to fail this year. AND I don't believe Mac is good enough to be good enough, but I am fine seeing a year 3 with a real OC. AND I hope to be proven wrong.

Maybe Ian will finally rid this board of these radical viewpoints, and you and the Space man can rename this place the Vagina Monologues while bemoaning every obstacle that is keeping Mac from greatness. Or maybe another moderatrix will come along who will try to keep anti-groupthink at bay.

Until then, opinions that Mac isn't very good are just going to have to be endured if they slip through the mutes, ignores, and other tools of the sensitive.

As a Patriots fan, I really hope I am wrong about Mac. Would love to eat crow.

I’m also one such rascal in this list, so…

Patsfans Was An Inside Job?

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

I am honored to be included within a group of rascals who are ruining Patsfans with their negativity, I guess. I have been pretty consistent with my view of Mac:

i thought i tried hard enough to be included in this elitair group as well but i guess i did not. Well there is always a next season

I think Belichick set Mac up to fail this year. AND I don't believe Mac is good enough to be good enough, but I am fine seeing a year 3 with a real OC. AND I hope to be proven wrong.

Maybe Ian will finally rid this board of these radical viewpoints, and you and the Space man can rename this place the Vagina Monologues while bemoaning every obstacle that is keeping Mac from greatness. Or maybe another moderatrix will come along who will try to keep anti-groupthink at bay.

Until then, opinions that Mac isn't very good are just going to have to be endured if they slip through the mutes, ignores, and other tools of the sensitive.

As a Patriots fan, I really hope I am wrong about Mac. Would love to eat crow.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

The Bills players can do whatever the hell they want.

Here's Wilfork putting the blame on the players. Ty Law blamed the players also. Jules has also talked about how "different" these young players are. Mayo also said these young players are "different" than when he was playing and that Bill has tried to adapt. It's all consistent. Bill is having a hard time relating to this younger generation.

"I think a lot has to do with the players, honestly,” Wilfork said. “It’s the quality of players and just understanding how important it is to play as a team with the system. The Patriots made a lot of bonehead plays over the past two years, especially just talking about this past year. Mistakes that they made, normally as a Bill Belichick team they don’t make those mistakes. We used to laugh at teams and we used to put those teams on the video screen and say, ‘Hey, we can’t play like this and we won’t play like this.’ But now all of a sudden, they become that team. So I think that’s a lack of focus honestly, and it starts with the players. Players gotta understand coaches coach, players play. There was a lot of times where I got defensive calls that I didn’t like, but I had to try to execute it to the best of my ability."

“I think it’s too many people that’s individuals instead of being one. Everybody wants to make a play. Your team starts listening to outside of the building and what you need to do, and what they need to do, and individuals take it upon themselves to try to do that. That’s a no-no. So at the end of the day you’ve gotta stick to the course and stick to the plan because 11 is better than one.”

“These guys don’t respect the game and don’t respect the coaches the way we used to. I’ve never seen anybody talk back to Bill,” Wilfork said. “As a leader and as a captain of course we have conversations on things that we might not like, but that’s behind closed doors and that’s not us challenging Bill. It’s us trying to get a better understanding of what’s going on. But as far as talking back to a coach? Like, no. You don’t do that. But this new era of football, these kids feel entitled.”

Vince Wilfork: Patriots have too many ‘individuals’ now, players ‘want to be rappers’

Vince Wilfork said the Patriots used to laugh at other teams who made the 'bonehead' plays New England had this year.

www.masslive.com

Wilfolk is absolutely right. I see the same thing at work, all the twenty somethings want everything handed to them, they don't put in the effort that is required to make it far . (not everyone of course but a vast majority ). I hope I haven't offended anyone but this is my opinion and I am sticking to it.!!!

I don't want to generalize either because obviously not everyone is the same (my daughter over prepares & kicks ass, my son is lazy AF), but I see the same thing.

They don't do any research, even when you give them a long detailed email, they don't want to read it but want me to tell them. Think about a 70 yo Belichick dealing w/ these kids. It's not working.

This guy has an interesting take on millennials...

“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”​

- Socrates

There’s nothing new about this generation. It is as it’s always been. And 20 years from now, this group will start saying that the next generation is disrespectful and entitled.