OT: Interesting Stat - 49ers Apparently Wore Out All of Their Opponents

[crawhammer]

Not to be contentious, but is there any research or evidence for your view that in the playoffs/SB qb's as a matter of empirical fact are more important than during the regular season? I understand this might be conventional wisdom, but instances abound where insight in particular circumstances trumps broad consensus, and where consensus is no more likely to be thoroughly vetted than individual opinion.

I've done this before, where I give a comprehensive breakdown of elite quarterbacks or elite quarterback play translating to postseason success. If I have time later, I'll do it again, but you can simply start with looking at the SB winning quarterbacks and SB MVPs. Brady alone has 7 and 5 in the last two decades. That's not a coincidence.

Did I say quarterbacks are more important in the postseason than regular season? I don't recall saying that or suggesting it. I think they're the premium in both. The comment I made about Purdy was his lack of experience could hinder him in the postseason because the pressure is ratcheted up so high and obviously he hasn't been through that before. Not everyone is a prodigy like Brady.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Gotcha, so 2 players...1 way past his prime, created the super team...Not the MVP level quarterback. Wowzers

No genius, it was the combination of Gronk, Brown, Evans, Godwin, Fournette, and the drafting of Wirfs, that allowed the offense to excel once Brady got there. With those players it's pretty easy to throw to the wide open guy as no teams have the secondary to cover all of them.

 

[crawhammer]

wins - cowboys, saints, atlanta, rams, seattle, arizona, carolina, and saints

Bold = Brady led comebacks (4) and game-winning drives (5). Like I said, 4-win team without him.

 

[crawhammer]

No genius, it was the combination of Gronk, Brown, Evans, Godwin, Fournette, and the drafting of Wirfs, that allowed the offense to excel once Brady got there. With those players it's pretty easy to throw to the wide open guy as no teams have the secondary to cover all of them.

You got that part right. Although you'll back track now that I pointed it out. The offense excelled ONCE BRADY GOT THERE. Great point by you.

 

[ashley]

Bold = Brady led comebacks (4) and game-winning drives (5). Like I said, 4-win team without him.

Curious, you usually have a pretty good pulse on the coaches:

Who's the worse coach:

McCarthy or Bowles? We agree both are pretty bad, but I don't recall where a playoff game has this bad of coaching between the teams.

 

[All3Phases]

No genius, it was the combination of Gronk, Brown, Evans, Godwin, Fournette, and the drafting of Wirfs, that allowed the offense to excel once Brady got there. With those players it's pretty easy to throw to the wide open guy as no teams have the secondary to cover all of them.

So 4/6 of those guys are still there, youre failing miserably

 

[crawhammer]

Curious, you usually have a pretty good pulse on the coaches:

Who's the worse coach:

McCarthy or Bowles? We agree both are pretty bad, but I don't recall where a playoff game has this bad of coaching between the teams.

No kidding, not exactly a coach-a-thon in this one. McCarthy won a Super Bowl with Aaron Rodgers, which has turned out to be quite a feat by this point. Bowles is just an abject failure across the board. This game will be an exercise of poor clock management, misuse of timeouts, pre-snap penalties, turnovers and undisciplined football. LFG!?!

 

[SHOWTIME15]

So 4/6 of those guys are still there, youre failing miserably

And Brady this year wasn't able to replicate what he did in 2020 without all those guys. I made my point just fine. And if you're going to say I failed at something, at least learn to spell.

 

[All3Phases]

And Brady this year wasn't able to replicate what he did in 2020 without all those guys. I made my point just fine. And if you're going to say I failed at something, at least learn to spell.

In 2020 and 2021, when he played at an MVP level, hes played poorly for him this year...I know you say you dont watch, but you do and you would agree. You thinking the team as stopped performing at a high level because an old tight end is no longer playing, it is a laughable point.

Also what did I spell incorrectly? Did I leave out an apostrophe on a fan forum?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

In 2020 and 2021, when he played at an MVP level, hes played poorly for him this year...I know you say you dont watch, but you do and you would agree. You thinking the team as stopped performing at a high level because an old tight end is no longer playing, it is a laughable point.

WIthout Gronk and Brown, there are no wide open guys for him to throw to.

Statistically, the Bucs offense is worse than the Trent Dilfer-led Ravens in 2000 in terms of PPG. That's saying something. Last year, the Bucs averaged 30 PPG, this year it's 18.

 

[All3Phases]

WIthout Gronk and Brown, there are no wide open guys for him to throw to.

Statistically, the Bucs offense is worse than the Trent Dilfer-led Ravens in 2000 in terms of PPG. That's saying something. Last year, the Bucs averaged 30 PPG, this year it's 18.

Again, so youre attributing all of the Bucs success to a washed up tight end and 1 receiver? Just like all the years here you made fun of the team with Weaponz? Not a great argument. Again, the MVP quarterback elevated the team. He plays poorly, the super team isnt so super.

Same guy who carried a WR unit of Edelman, Hogan, Malcolm Mitchell and Amendola to a super bowl. Now he needed AB bahahaha

Also, do you have the facts that show he was throwing to wide open receivers for 2 years, or are you just coping?

 

[crawhammer]

Statistically, the Bucs offense is worse than the Trent Dilfer-led Ravens in 2000 in terms of PPG. That's saying something. Last year, the Bucs averaged 30 PPG, this year it's 18.

The 2000 Ravens had the #1 ranked running game in the NFL. The 2022 Bucs had the #32 ranked running game in the NFL. Brady had 229 more pass attempts than the 2000 Ravens. Their offenses aren't comparable. Dilfer was a zero. Brady is everything to the Bucs this season.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Again, so youre attributing all of the Bucs success to a washed up tight end and 1 receiver? Just like all the years here you made fun of the team with Weaponz? Not a great argument. Again, the MVP quarterback elevated the team.

Also, do you have the facts that show he was throwing to wide open receivers for 2 years, or are you just coping?

This is not difficult to understand. Gronk and AB allowed everyone to get open. You can't cover all 4 of those players. And Gronk in 2020 had 600 yards and 7 TDs, and in 2021 he had 800 yards and 6 TDs. Hardly washed up.

 

[thecore762]

49ers defense is a beast. They are going to be the rams of last year when it comes to defense.

With that said, I don’t know how well they will be able to do in the SB (if they make it) against the Chiefs or Bills or even Bungles.

 

[All3Phases]

This is not difficult to understand. Gronk and AB allowed everyone to get open. You can't cover all 4 of those players. And Gronk in 2020 had 600 yards and 7 TDs, and in 2021 he had 800 yards and 6 TDs. Hardly washed up.

Again, a quarterback whos excelled for 20 years in large part without dominant receiving units, you are now crediting his success in tampa to 2 guys who have never won without him...So funny.

Also, you provided 2 statlines in which werent dominant, also provided me no statistics or analytics that show he was throwing to wide open receivers constantly in 2020 and 2021. Care to provide? I found the attached for the 2020 season, wonder what wouldve happened if he stayed with the super team 2020 patriots?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Again, a quarterback whos excelled for 20 years in large part without dominant receiving units, you are now crediting his success in tampa to 2 guys who have never won without him...So funny.

Where was he in 2019 with Edelman, Dorsett, and Myers? He's not able to carry a team anymore without a lot of help.

 

[denverpatsfan]

It's going to take a very tough physical team to win in Philadelphia. Looking forward to the NFCCG

 

[All3Phases]

Where was he in 2019 with Edelman, Dorsett, and Myers? He's not able to carry a team anymore without a lot of help.

I am waiting for you to show me the Bucs led the league in wide open throws in 2020 and 2021, surely the receivers created more separation than the 2020 Patriots right?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I am waiting for you to show me the Bucs led the league in wide open throws in 2020 and 2021, surely the receivers created more separation than the 2020 Patriots right?

In 2021, Gronk, Brown, and Godwin all had at least 3 yards of separation on average from the nearest defender. And I never said the Bucs LED THE LEAGUE in this category. But keep putting words into my mouth.

Separation Stats Favor Tyler Johnson, Russell Gage And Unavailable Bucs - JoeBucsFan.com

Joe enjoys the NFL’s NextGen data because it’s objective, derived from sensors in equipment and tracked via technology. There is no clown involved to spin the numbers. Via NextGen, the NFL tracks “Average Separation,” defined as “the distance (in yards) […]

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[All3Phases]

In 2021, Gronk, Brown, and Godwin all had at least 3 yards of separation on average from the nearest defender. And I never said the Bucs LED THE LEAGUE in this category. But keep putting words into my mouth.

Separation Stats Favor Tyler Johnson, Russell Gage And Unavailable Bucs - JoeBucsFan.com

Joe enjoys the NFL’s NextGen data because it’s objective, derived from sensors in equipment and tracked via technology. There is no clown involved to spin the numbers. Via NextGen, the NFL tracks “Average Separation,” defined as “the distance (in yards) […]

www.joebucsfan.com

So in 2020, the Patriots receivers averaged more separation then the Bucs in 2021? Again, so what are you trying to prove?