Mac Jones' Last Five Games - 2022 vs 2021

[One-If-By-Sea]

From two games from a fourth round rookie I think we can’t tell anything about zappe nor judge him well
People say they can’t judge mac and it’s been two years ( first rd pick)
Zappe comes in from lower competition in college in this circumstances (oc, o line)

Agreed but it was easy to see some QBs are not thinkers from the start, like Bledsoe and Newton.

 

[venecol]

Mac had a 4th Q drive to win the game today including a passing TD. You are cherry picking stats like you accuse others of doing (you told Rob his methodolgy sucked and in your next post twisted the stats about Mac).

Dugger's pick-6 gave the Pats the lead in the 3rd Qtr and they never lost it. I was under the impression a team had to be tied or behind for it to be a GWD or 4th Qtr comeback. I doubt he gets credit for one here.

 

[venecol]

I accept your apology. Maybe next time you think before you make an arse of yourself. We all know you won't, but there is always hope.

 

[venecol]

looking at the last few games, it was not Mac, the team is not clutch as a whole!

Mac drived down to the RZ for Stephenson to fumble the ball against Cincy with a 0-18 comeback (though that was on the refs), he throw a TD vs the raiders for the defense to go in bend and break mode vs raiders and conside a stupidly easy 1min 90yards drive TD with the game on the line to than have such a clutch play (call) and execution where Meyers throw an INT right into the defenders hands for an easy TD

yes Mac has not shown to be elite so far, but come on that was not on him, as well as yesterday when the game was on the line he executed as well, just for other non clutch parts of the team to almost give the game away

its a team sport, you can be elite QB and its still depending also on the execution of the other 52 man during the game

Agree, the entire team is undisciplined, a pattern we've seen the last three seasons. Too many mistakes.

 

[RIpats88]

Dugger's pick-6 gave the Pats the lead in the 3rd Qtr and they never lost it. I was under the impression a team had to be tied or behind for it to be a GWD or 4th Qtr comeback. I doubt he gets credit for one here.

He still lead a long drive that ended in a TD to basically put the game out of reach of Miami. Who cares what the stats give credit for. It's what we needed at that time to ice the game.

If Mac only got a field goal there or went 3 and out I'm sure you would be all over this board preaching how he isn't clutch. But since it was successful now you have to twist it to stay consistent with your agenda.

 

[RodThePat]

So I just looked up his stats more in depth and what I can gather is he's basically traded interceptions for sacks. The overall performance is similar (87.9 passer rating, 6.95 AY/A in 2021 vs. 90.4 passer rating, 7.06 AY/A in 2022). Last year he had 5 picks, but only took 6 sacks, this year 1 pick, but 12 sacks. It's pretty clear by now they've drilled ball control into Mac's head after returning from injury. His sack rate shot up and his average depth of target plummeted while his INT% also dropped precipitously. To start 2022 they wanted to see if he could be more of a driver of the offense, with a lot of deep shots and jump balls. It didn't work, so they went back to ball control and it's been better in terms of turnovers, but not really better in terms of offensive production.

 

[venecol]

He still lead a long drive that ended in a TD to basically put the game out of reach of Miami. Who cares what the stats give credit for. It's what we needed at that time to ice the game.

If Mac only got a field goal there or went 3 and out I'm sure you would be all over this board preaching how he isn't clutch. But since it was successful now you have to twist it to stay consistent with your agenda.

It was a good win.

 

[jdlboot14]

Mac is a thinker, Zappe is a reactor. Thinkers always take more time (if ever) to mature. Reactors flash early but have a lower ceiling. BB wants a thinker at QB (Bledsoe vs. Brady).

Maybe Zappe can read and process the defensive movements, two games do not tell me the whole story because I am not a professional.

To be real, Bledsoe was hardly a "thinker"
He was an immobile gunslinger. He took risks, and he could chuck it. I loved him, but after comparison, he wasn't the stone-cold operator that the elite QB's are. Mental processing is one part, and the mental toughness to not be rattled or emotional in the clutch is another.
Mac is learning the second before our eyes. How he performs this week (and IF there's a next week) will show us a lot. He's had the "adversity" training this year. And it's worth giving him a 3rd year with the full benefit and support of a trained offensive coach & scheme.

 

[RodThePat]

Mac is a thinker, Zappe is a reactor. Thinkers always take more time (if ever) to mature. Reactors flash early but have a lower ceiling. BB wants a thinker at QB (Bledsoe vs. Brady).

Maybe Zappe can read and process the defensive movements, two games do not tell me the whole story because I am not a professional.

I don't think this tracks. There have been plenty of hall of fame reactors (Mahomes, Favre, Kurt Warner) and a lot of thinkers who got time and never developed into anything of note. You can succeed in a variety of ways at the QB position and more often than not with enough time reactors end up becoming closer to thinkers. I don't think your play style limits your ceiling.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Dugger's pick-6 gave the Pats the lead in the 3rd Qtr and they never lost it. I was under the impression a team had to be tied or behind for it to be a GWD or 4th Qtr comeback. I doubt he gets credit for one here.

Agreed, but it ended up being the game winning drive. It could be argued that it is harder to drive for a score when not behind because you are not in as big of a panic. Who really cares if it is a 4th Q comeback or 4th Q winning drive to salt away the game? Either way the game is won due to a well executed 4Q TD drive.

If the stat looks worse for Mac, you are motivated to post it in the 5Q? Do you have the most 5Q negative Mac posts?

 

[venecol]

Agreed, but it ended up being the game winning drive. It could be argued that it is harder to drive for a score when not behind because you are not in as big of a panic. Who really cares if it is a 4th Q comeback or 4th Q winning drive to salt away the game? Either way the game is won due to a well executed 4Q TD drive.

If the stat looks worse for Mac, you are motivated to post it in the 5Q? Do you have the most 5Q negative Mac posts?

Agree, the TD drive in the 4th Q preserved the win. Not sure what the issue is. I wanted to compare the 1st two seasons of all the top drafted QBs since 2017 to see how they performed in the 4Q/OT since it's a measure of clutchness.

I was expecting a consistent theme, being they were the rookie + 2nd year seasons. Instead, I noticed that almost all of them had quite a few 4QC/GWDs from the Mayfield-Darnold types to the Mahomes-Allen types and now even Pickett. It stood out to me that Mac was the only one with 1/1 and the next lowest were Trubisky (1/3), Jackson (1/3), D Jones (1/2), Fields (1/2) and Mills (1/2).

Not sure what 5Q is but this includes OT. I like stats. This is a thread about Mac's performance in his 1st two seasons. I post stats that are relevant to the discussion in the thread regardless of what they show.

Now you could argue that these stats are irrelevant since despite Darnold & Mayfield having decent numbers, they are both on their 2nd & 3rd teams respectively and are probably not the guys. We can have that discussion.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

So I just looked up his stats more in depth and what I can gather is he's basically traded interceptions for sacks. The overall performance is similar (87.9 passer rating, 6.95 AY/A in 2021 vs. 90.4 passer rating, 7.06 AY/A in 2022). Last year he had 5 picks, but only took 6 sacks, this year 1 pick, but 12 sacks. It's pretty clear by now they've drilled ball control into Mac's head after returning from injury. His sack rate shot up and his average depth of target plummeted while his INT% also dropped precipitously.

I smart poster once said playing the QB position is like a barter system. Its a trade off and tough for young QB's to figure out. Guys like Watson & Wilson used to trade sacks for explosive plays. People would kill their OL's but didn't understand the trade off and the fact that you could build the great wall of China in front of them and they would still invite pressure.

Brady figured this out early on and really took it to anover level mid-late career.

To start 2022 they wanted to see if he could be more of a driver of the offense, with a lot of deep shots and jump balls. It didn't work, so they went back to ball control and it's been better in terms of turnovers, but not really better in terms of offensive production.

This is something concerning bc Mac was lost early on and involved in the process. The the OL was swiss cheese by weeks 4/5 I believe so the sample size there is tough to gage but he didn't look good.

Year 2 is a critical year but we still have time with Mac. He was deemed "pro ready" but probably needed more work than most realized.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I wonder how Mac would do with the 2012 offense?

RB1- Steven Ridley
RB2- Woodhead
RB3- Vereen
RB4- Bolden
TE1- Gronk
TE2- Not to be mentioned
WR1-Wes Welker
WR2- Brandon Lloyd
WR3-JE11
WR4-Deion Branch

Josh as OC

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

I wonder how Mac would do with the 2012 offense?

RB1- Steven Ridley
RB2- Woodhead
RB3- Vereen
RB4- Bolden
TE1- Gronk
TE2- Not to be mentioned
WR1-Wes Welker
WR2- Brandon Lloyd
WR3-JE11
WR4-Deion Branch

Josh as OC

 

[RIpats88]

Maybe he's trading sacks for interceptions but I do think he's stabilized and improved since he came back. I'm seeing some growth. Leading the near comeback against the Bengals (that should have been If it wasn't fumbled), icing the game against the dolphins.

At the end of the day I want to see Mac with competent coaching before I make a decision. Coaching matters

Tua, hurts and Daniel Jones were on the "outs" a year ago. Now with new coaches they suddenly look like competent QBs. Trevor Lawrence having a nice year 2 going from Urban meyer to Doug Peterson. Look at purdy in San Fran, perfect situation.

 

[Betterthanmost]

 

[RIpats88]

Why do we always have so many guys running in the same area?

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Why do we always have so many guys running in the same area?

 

[Betterthanmost]

Why do we always have so many guys running in the same area?

I guess Matt P wants us to be confused so the defense will also be confused? How about that for an explanation? To have just one of these in a season is bad... this many in one game?

 

[Toofy]

looking at the last few games, it was not Mac, the team is not clutch as a whole!

Mac drived down to the RZ for Stephenson to fumble the ball against Cincy with a 0-18 comeback (though that was on the refs), he throw a TD vs the raiders for the defense to go in bend and break mode vs raiders and conside a stupidly easy 1min 90yards drive TD with the game on the line to than have such a clutch play (call) and execution where Meyers throw an INT right into the defenders hands for an easy TD

yes Mac has not shown to be elite so far, but come on that was not on him, as well as yesterday when the game was on the line he executed as well, just for other non clutch parts of the team to almost give the game away

its a team sport, you can be elite QB and its still depending also on the execution of the other 52 man during the game

Adding to your list ... What about the pass to agholor that was dropped. That would have been equalizer against vikings and would have been another clutch game. Agholor with 2-3 costly lost fumbles. Mac is made to look bad by complete offensive ineptitude and let down by team mates in crucial times. On top of it OLine is a disaster

There is no way we can judge him this year.