Mac Jones' Last Five Games - 2022 vs 2021

[One-If-By-Sea]

Thanks Ian. Let's look at it after next week too. Mac is getting better, but I doubt he will break out. I think it will be a long slow climb.

 

[Ian]

Thanks Ian. Let's look at it after next week too. Mac is getting better, but I doubt he will break out. I think it will be a long slow climb.

I thought how he finished was really a nice step forward, probably the first time we've seen him play that well to close out a game that I can remember. Again, the final stat line wasn't great completion-percentage-wise, but the fact he only missed 4 of his final 15 throws was a positive.

Obviously, like you said, the next question is going to be how he plays next week. But I'm definitely interested to see how he responds in Buffalo in a game they obviously need. That game will potentially set the tone for the offseason if he doesn't, so it should be interesting to see how he plays.

 

[Ian]

Waiting on @crawhammer to tell me to get rid of the Jacksonville game last year and then seeing his reaction since Mac's performance today messes up his argument.

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

It's completely bizarre the people defending the offense that can't score points. If we take out all the excuses from coaching to personnel to execution it simply comes down to scoring points. They are so fortunate the defense is so good and had produced so many points. They've worn out Stevenson. Every week it's the same thing. We get to halftime and the offense rarely breaks 10 points. I'm predicting it happens next week. They need to bring in more QB competition next year.

 

[Ian]

It's completely bizarre the people defending the offense that can't score points. If we take out all the excuses from coaching to personnel to execution it simply comes down to scoring points. They are so fortunate the defense is so good and had produced so many points. They've worn out Stevenson. Every week it's the same thing. We get to halftime and the offense rarely breaks 10 points. I'm predicting it happens next week. They need to bring in more QB competition next year.

If you go back and look at last season and the number of times they went over 40 points (3), 50 (2), you do have to wonder why that is. I mean they scored 50 in the same game today a year ago with essentially the same players. Granted, that was against Jacksonville, but the point remains the same.

They're scoring fewer points with the same group and quarterback, with plenty of people who break down film pointing out issues with the play design, routes, etc. Hopefully, this offseason sees a change, although I sort of wonder if, after how things played out with Alabama, if that muddles the situation as it pertains to O'Brien.

 

[Tunescribe]

It's completely bizarre the people defending the offense that can't score points. If we take out all the excuses from coaching to personnel to execution it simply comes down to scoring points. They are so fortunate the defense is so good and had produced so many points. They've worn out Stevenson. Every week it's the same thing. We get to halftime and the offense rarely breaks 10 points. I'm predicting it happens next week. They need to bring in more QB competition next year.

Yes, of course, it simply comes down to scoring points. Because the quarterback operates in a vacuum independent of coaching, scheme, play design, personnel, execution -- those are just excuses for not simply scoring points. Bring on more quarterback competition! That'll solve everything! Unbelievable.

 

[venecol]

I am not ignoring anything. We are 15 games into the season. One defensive/ST TD will bring down the PPG less than half a point and two defensive/ST TD will bring down the PPG less than one point. Right now there are seven teams with less than 18.9 PPG.

So any team with 18.9 PPG before you remove the defensive and special teams TDs will have to have more than two defensive/special teams TD to have a lower PPG than the Patriots after you remove them. That is why I didn’t count the teams with two or less defensive or special teams TDs because any team that could be lower than the Pats after you do that calculation, are under the 17.9 PPG right now before you factor it in.

Again, prove me wrong. I obviously looked in more detail into this than you.

I don't have to prove anything since your own post (below) fails to prove anything. From your own post, you removed D/ST points from Pats and then put them at #27 w/o doing the same for all the other teams. This isn't complicated, your methodology is flawed. Do the complete analysis and then tell us the real results not your doctored version.

The Pats lead the league in defensive and special teams TDs with six on defense and one punt return. Where would the in PPG if you removed those seven TDs? You remove those TDs and the Pats average 17.9 PPG. That would be 27th in the league in PPG.

 

[venecol]

Mac has struggled, no question. But, even with the disaster of MP and the offense design and playcalling, he's cleaned some things up this last stretch. Even while going 2-4 as a team since Thanksgiving, Mac has gone - 62% | 1367yd | 7 TD | 1 INT
Not great, but not terrible.
What's a shame is that we had real chances to win 3 of those 4 losses in the last minutes.

The thing with Mac is he's just not clutch. We just saw rookie Kenny Pickett drive his team down the field for a winning score in a must win game. That was his 3rd 4QC and 4th GWD in his rookie season. Nobody in this planet believes that Matt Canada is a good OC, so it's not that. Mac has one 4QC/GWD in his 2 seasons (against Texans and he didn't even throw a TD).

When you look at all the top QBs drafted from 2017-2022, Mac is the only one with 1/1 in those categories. He's anti-clutch.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

The thing with Mac is he's just not clutch. We just saw rookie Kenny Pickett drive his team down the field for a winning score in a must win game. That was his 3rd 4QC and 4th GWD in his rookie season. Nobody in this planet believes that Matt Canada is a good OC, so it's not that. Mac has one 4QC/GWD in his 2 seasons (against Texans and he didn't even throw a TD).

When you look at all the top QBs drafted from 2017-2022, Mac is the only one with 1/1 in those categories. He's anti-clutch.

That‘s obv not mac‘s fault according to the mac homer team , that’s 100% on someone else

 

[masterbouncer]

The thing with Mac is he's just not clutch. We just saw rookie Kenny Pickett drive his team down the field for a winning score in a must win game. That was his 3rd 4QC and 4th GWD in his rookie season. Nobody in this planet believes that Matt Canada is a good OC, so it's not that. Mac has one 4QC/GWD in his 2 seasons (against Texans and he didn't even throw a TD).

When you look at all the top QBs drafted from 2017-2022, Mac is the only one with 1/1 in those categories. He's anti-clutch.

looking at the last few games, it was not Mac, the team is not clutch as a whole!

Mac drived down to the RZ for Stephenson to fumble the ball against Cincy with a 0-18 comeback (though that was on the refs), he throw a TD vs the raiders for the defense to go in bend and break mode vs raiders and conside a stupidly easy 1min 90yards drive TD with the game on the line to than have such a clutch play (call) and execution where Meyers throw an INT right into the defenders hands for an easy TD

yes Mac has not shown to be elite so far, but come on that was not on him, as well as yesterday when the game was on the line he executed as well, just for other non clutch parts of the team to almost give the game away

its a team sport, you can be elite QB and its still depending also on the execution of the other 52 man during the game

 

[masterbouncer]

That‘s obv not mac‘s fault according to the mac homer team , that’s 100% on someone else

yeah look at my reply, was he not driving vs Cincy to win the game into the RZ just for Stephenson to fumble? sure its Mac, bcs HE is not clutch, its not the whole team that just lacks clutchness

vs Raiders brought the team up to a lead, just for the D# to go into bend and break mode for a 1min 90yard TD drive in the finel minute of the game and than have the dumbest play call and execution to lose the game instead to go in to overtime and try and win the game there

Mac is for sure not great this season, but can't say HE lacks clutchness if others on the team show more lack of clutchness when it counted, the hate is unreal on this board, its like people want their QB to be bad just to have a point

though I liked the clutchness from Zeppe many want to see play when he ****ts his pants in CLUTCHTIME vs the Bears and can't move the needle, its all only on the QB, he is executing on his own out there sure

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

yeah look at my reply, was he not driving vs Cincy to win the game into the RZ just for Stephenson to fumble? sure its Mac, bcs HE is not clutch, its not the whole team that just lacks clutchness

vs Raiders brought the team up to a lead, just for the D# to go into bend and break mode for a 1min 90yard TD drive in the finel minute of the game and than have the dumbest play call and execution to lose the game instead to go in to overtime and try and win the game there

Mac is for sure not great this season, but can't say HE lacks clutchness if others on the team show more lack of clutchness when it counted, the hate is unreal on this board, its like people want their QB to be bad just to have a point

Nobody hates mac, but there are people who can enjoy a win but still see the mistakes or players who did not play well and there are people who think everything is good

though I liked the clutchness from Zeppe many want to see play when he ****ts his pants in CLUTCHTIME vs the Bears and can't move the needle, its all only on the QB, he is executing on his own out there sure

Zappe is a 4th round pick
A rookie
And coming from lower competition
The games zappe started I had a feeling the offense can be more successful than with mac specially if you give zappe the same time and credit and he gets more experienced
Also zappe is not in his second year with the weapons so mac should have way more chemistry and connection with them

 

[masterbouncer]

Nobody hates mac, but there are people who can enjoy a win but still see the mistakes or players who did not play well and there are people who think everything is good

Zappe is a 4th round pick
A rookie
And coming from lower competition
The games zappe started I had a feeling the offense can be more successful than with mac specially if you give zappe the same time and credit and he gets more experienced
Also zappe is not in his second year with the weapons so mac should have way more chemistry and connection with them

I think that for Mac not being in the same system bcs of the ****show BB put up with naming Patricia the Coordinater (unofficially of course) put Mac in the same place as Zeppe when it comes to the system knowledge, I had the same feeling with Zeppe at times, and he is far better when it comes to pocket awareness than Mac has shown in his first two years, but my point is, nobody can pretend he is not clutch when the RB is fumbling on the to-be game-winning drive in the RZ, or a receiver throwing such a stupid INT in the final sec of the game...for me with all the dumb errors, penalties, poor execution during the season it shows lack of clutchness of the team and a poor coaching they got, thats not Mac thats the Patriots 2022 team, gives you enough hope to stay tuned just to rip your heart out when it counts with extremly stupid mistakes

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

looking at the last few games, it was not Mac, the team is not clutch as a whole!

Mac drived down to the RZ for Stephenson to fumble the ball against Cincy with a 0-18 comeback (though that was on the refs), he throw a TD vs the raiders for the defense to go in bend and break mode vs raiders and conside a stupidly easy 1min 90yards drive TD with the game on the line to than have such a clutch play (call) and execution where Meyers throw an INT right into the defenders hands for an easy TD

yes Mac has not shown to be elite so far, but come on that was not on him, as well as yesterday when the game was on the line he executed as well, just for other non clutch parts of the team to almost give the game away

its a team sport, you can be elite QB and its still depending also on the execution of the other 52 man during the game

Agreed, and I believe the pats can be a consistent playoff team with an average qb because the defense is so good and run game should work. I believe Mac can be this qb, with two new OT and new offense coaches the offense should be good enough combined with that defense and a new ST coach to achieve the playoffs every year

I mean in the end we can make the playoffs this year with all the issues at ST OC, QB coach, o line coach so I think we can be optimistic for the future if some coaching changes on offense will come during the offseason

 

[masterbouncer]

Agreed, and I believe the pats can be a consistent playoff team with an average qb because the defense is so good and run game should work. I believe Mac can be this qb, with two new OT and new offense coaches the offense should be good enough combined with that defense and a new ST coach to achieve the playoffs every year

I mean in the end we can make the playoffs this year with all the issues at ST OC, QB coach, o line coach so I think we can be optimistic for the future if some coaching changes on offense will come during the offseason

yep fully agree and in fact with some proper coaching and execution this team should be around 11-12 wins easily this year, there were a few really bad/dumb loses throughout the year, its a pity it is now on the line and requires a win against probably one of the best teams right now in the league, but so it is already playoff time for the Pats in week18 against a team/system/QB that does not really suit them well, would rather have had the Chiefs to be up against

 

[Rob0729]

I don't have to prove anything since your own post (below) fails to prove anything. From your own post, you removed D/ST points from Pats and then put them at #27 w/o doing the same for all the other teams. This isn't complicated, your methodology is flawed. Do the complete analysis and then tell us the real results not your doctored version.

I accept your apology. Maybe next time you think before you make an arse of yourself. We all know you won't, but there is always hope.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

That‘s obv not mac‘s fault according to the mac homer team , that’s 100% on someone else

Mac lets the game get inside his head, he is not cool under fire which is fixable. Mac reads the defense well, sees the field, and is very accurate, which is good because those attributes are not fixable if he lacked them.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Nobody hates mac, but there are people who can enjoy a win but still see the mistakes or players who did not play well and there are people who think everything is good

Zappe is a 4th round pick
A rookie
And coming from lower competition
The games zappe started I had a feeling the offense can be more successful than with mac specially if you give zappe the same time and credit and he gets more experienced
Also zappe is not in his second year with the weapons so mac should have way more chemistry and connection with them

Mac is a thinker, Zappe is a reactor. Thinkers always take more time (if ever) to mature. Reactors flash early but have a lower ceiling. BB wants a thinker at QB (Bledsoe vs. Brady).

Maybe Zappe can read and process the defensive movements, two games do not tell me the whole story because I am not a professional.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

The thing with Mac is he's just not clutch. We just saw rookie Kenny Pickett drive his team down the field for a winning score in a must win game. That was his 3rd 4QC and 4th GWD in his rookie season. Nobody in this planet believes that Matt Canada is a good OC, so it's not that. Mac has one 4QC/GWD in his 2 seasons (against Texans and he didn't even throw a TD).

When you look at all the top QBs drafted from 2017-2022, Mac is the only one with 1/1 in those categories. He's anti-clutch.

Mac had a 4th Q drive to win the game today including a passing TD. You are cherry picking stats like you accuse others of doing (you told Rob his methodolgy sucked and in your next post twisted the stats about Mac).

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Mac is a thinker, Zappe is a reactor. Thinkers always take more time (if ever) to mature. Reactors flash early but have a lower ceiling. BB wants a thinker at QB (Bledsoe vs. Brady).

Maybe Zappe can read and process the defensive movements, two games do not tell me the whole story because I am not a professional.

From two games from a fourth round rookie I think we can’t tell anything about zappe nor judge him well
People say they can’t judge mac and it’s been two years ( first rd pick)
Zappe comes in from lower competition in college in this circumstances (oc, o line)