Mac Jones last two weeks

[Lagaffe_07]

This is just bonkers:

You can make every still image say whatever you want. Bedard has a clear agenda against Patricia.

On this pic Thornton who is the underneath player is using Bourne as a shield because the player between him and Bourne is actually covering Bourne. Thornton is about to break outside and will be wide open.

That’s the still image just after the one Bedard showed.



Meyers , Henry and Thornton are wide open. Is it bad design when your play produce 3 wide open receivers ?

 

[catent]

You can make every still image say whatever you want. Bedard has a clear agenda against Patricia.

On this pic Thornton who is the underneath player is using Bourne as a shield because the player between him and Bourne is actually covering Bourne. Thornton is about to break outside and will be wide open.

That’s the still image just after the one Bedard showed.



Meyers , Henry and Thornton are wide open. Is it bad design when your play produce 3 wide open receivers ?

Thank you for this post and sharing the next image in sequence. It squares with my analysis of a double-stacked release and rub crosser. It worked perfectly against man coverage. Two or three open receivers on that play. It was actually quite a good play call and execution, but the ball didn’t get where it should (or could) have.

 

[Rob0729]

You can make every still image say whatever you want. Bedard has a clear agenda against Patricia.

On this pic Thornton who is the underneath player is using Bourne as a shield because the player between him and Bourne is actually covering Bourne. Thornton is about to break outside and will be wide open.

That’s the still image just after the one Bedard showed.



Meyer, Henry and Thornton are wide open. Is it bad design when your play produce 3 wide open wide receiver ?

Thornton is about to be wide open AFTER the ball is thrown and the player between Bourne and Thornton pursues Bourne because the player sees that Jones threw to Bourne.

Again, there isn't a problem with this play if Thornton makes the break prior to the ball being thrown. Once the ball is thrown, him breaking doesn't mean anything. And none of the receivers were open when Jones threw the ball, Again this has been a huge problem with the offense too is that the receivers are not making timely breaks or getting open fast enough.

 

[Rob0729]

Thank you for this post and sharing the next image in sequence. It squares with my analysis of a double-stacked release and rub crosser. It worked perfectly against man coverage. Two or three open receivers on that play. It was actually quite a good play call and execution, but the ball didn’t get where it should (or could) have.

And if Thornton didn't make the break too late, it would be a well designed play. But as Bedard and Kurt Warner have pointed out, the Pats' wide receivers don't make timely breaks and just are not creating the spaces to make plays. If Thornton made the break on time, Jones might have thrown to him or Bourne might have been open when Jones threw to him.

Whether Thornton ran the play as designed or he is just making the breaks too slow, it is on Patricia/coaching staff. Either the plays suck or he is not coaching up the receivers correctly.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

You can make every still image say whatever you want. Bedard has a clear agenda against Patricia.

On this pic Thornton who is the underneath player is using Bourne as a shield because the player between him and Bourne is actually covering Bourne. Thornton is about to break outside and will be wide open.

That’s the still image just after the one Bedard showed.



Meyers , Henry and Thornton are wide open. Is it bad design when your play produce 3 wide open receivers ?

Look at how open Meyers is but of course the decision on where to go with the football had already been made.

 

[chasa]

he was REALLY bad Sunday.

He couldn't throw a screen pass to save his life, and since that is 80% of patricia's play calling it showed up on the field.

 

[venecol]

See how the minute someone gave you a counter argument you deflected and decided to go away from discussing young QB’s to a vet…. who also has the guy who might be the best WR in the league in Adams lol. Who incidentally… would not be in position to win the game without Adams.

Fact is 2 of the 3 QB’s you mentioned (besides Burrow because he was injured year one) all had their entire fanbase down on them until they got a stud WR.

Our best WR could not even make it as a number 2 WR on the Dolphins, Bills, or Bengals.

We have an offensive talent problem. We look have had that since 2019 when Edelman declined and Gronk left.

Sorry you just can’t accurately evaluate things if they don’t fit your one talking point

This is a myth. Josh Allen improved from his rookie season to his 2nd season dramatically "before" Diggs joined the Bills. Almost all of his stats improved, from completion % to ANY/A, his record, 4QWD, comeback wins, TD%, Sack%, etc.

Tua was coming back from a devastating injury his rookie year but despite that and having the #32 ranked OL, he also improved the majority of his stats in year 2, "before" Hill joined the team.

Mac's stats have ALL regressed, in a dramatic fashion.

I do agree with you that aside from the RBs, the Pats lack O talent. There's no question our receiving corps (WR/TE) is nowhere near the same level as the other 3 divisional opponents or other AFC contenders. Mac is still an issue though. All three of the above QBs are better than he is, by far.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

Look at how open Meyers is but of course the decision on where to go with the football had already been made.

I also think he panicked a bit to a little pressure in the middle and threw it quicker than he had to.

 

[ashley]

All three of the above QBs are better than he is, by far.

I definitely agree with Allen and could also buy Tua, but the Jet's QB is not "far better" than Mac.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

Drop the "almost". 13-31 for 112. Which breaks down into 2-2 for 60 and 11-29 for 52. Jones was beyond bad on Sunday.

I'd rather be 13-31 with no turnovers than 17-31 with 3 TOs, though

But yeah... both are bad.

 

[upstater1]

Any evaluation of the QB here begins and ends with the question: how does he do under pressure?

The goal is winning playoff games when QBs come under extreme duress.

This is the problem with Mac right now, Patricia aside.

It is very worrisome because if a guy does well in the regular season by completing a lot of passes, playing well given time to throw, you can be lulled into thinking he's the type of QB you need.

And then you get to the big game and you realized you've thrown all your marbles in with Jimmy Garoppolo and Ryan Tannehill, two guys who wilt under pressure. What you needed all along is a guy like Jake Delhomme!

As for Josh Allen's 2nd year, he was wildly inaccurate that year. Just watching every one of his games, he used to pound the ball into the ground at his receiver's feet constantly. He settled down, got more time to throw, and that improved his accuracy greatly. He also started checking down and using the short game. That was an immense help too, just to improve his touch throws and get him in rhythm. The last couple of weeks you see Allen reverting into the old Allen, inaccurate, looking downfield constantly, ignoring open guys.

 

[venecol]

I definitely agree with Allen and could also buy Tua, but the Jet's QB is not "far better" than Mac.

I meant Burrow, who was the 3rd QB listed in those posts.

 

[Ian]

You can make every still image say whatever you want. Bedard has a clear agenda against Patricia.

On this pic Thornton who is the underneath player is using Bourne as a shield because the player between him and Bourne is actually covering Bourne. Thornton is about to break outside and will be wide open.

That’s the still image just after the one Bedard showed.



Meyers , Henry and Thornton are wide open. Is it bad design when your play produce 3 wide open receivers ?

They're still way too close together. Orlovsky, who has no dog in this fight, also has pointed this out.

 

[Wozzy]

Let's talk about penalties...

The Pat's offense currently ranks:

Pre-snap penalties: 8th worst

Delay Of Game: #1 in the entire NFL

False Start: 6th worst

Offensive Holding: 5th worst

Meanwhile their 3rd best in points allowed defense doesn't rank top half of the league in any penalty... it's one of the least penalized units in the entire league. Not surprisingly defense is the one area on the team that has maintained continuity in coaching.

People saying this offense doesn't have enough talent, enough weapons... how would you know? Their QB isn't great and the coaching is outright bad. Just a terrible take...

 

[203Pat]

Not that I love analyzing player's social media likes but looks like Trent wants a change allegedly.

 

[venecol]

I also think he panicked a bit to a little pressure in the middle and threw it quicker than he had to.

It's amusing how every single week we see QBs throwing to receivers "before" they make their breaks, it's called anticipation, which requires trust. Somehow, Mac needs time to not only wait for his receiver to make their break but also be open or he panicks. The excuses being made for Mac's play are nonsense.

 

[Ian]

This is a myth. Josh Allen improved from his rookie season to his 2nd season dramatically "before" Diggs joined the Bills. Almost all of his stats improved, from completion % to ANY/A, his record, 4QWD, comeback wins, TD%, Sack%, etc.

Cool. Who was his coordinator? I feel like that played a factor somehow...

And when did you become such a Matt Patricia fan? I mean, this has turned into such a strange thing with you. After all, Brady's fallen off dramatically this year as well ... do we say he stinks now too? Or do we sort of admit that maybe Arians' contributions offensively made a difference? I said it before. Athletes have enough to think about, having a coach that can help carry some of that weight and catch the little things often does make the difference. As I've said, I don't think Mac shouldn't shoulder some of the blame, but the drop-off overall is too significant to put 100% on him.

 

[Ian]

It's amusing how every single week we see QBs throwing to receivers "before" they make their breaks, it's called anticipation, which requires trust. Somehow, Mac needs time to not only wait for his receiver to make their break but also be open or he panicks. The excuses being made for Mac's play are nonsense.

And this is set up by the plain design. If he's supposed to throw it ahead of the break, the ball would be out. But they - for some reason - don't run the offense that way this year. How many back-shoulder throws have you seen this year? I don't recall any. I recall quite a few last year, among a lot of other things they haven't done this year.

I also have to say:

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Not that I love analyzing player's social media likes but looks like Trent wants a change allegedly.

First and foremost they need to fix this offensive coaching staff but I fully support both of these moves.

 

[ashley]

I meant Burrow, who was the 3rd QB listed in those posts.

lol, that makes more sense