QB Performance - Coaching Matters

[Ian]

Just noting that Daniel Jones, who isn't exactly a star QB has seen a notable improvement with a better coach:



I know a lot of people say players win games, coaches don't - and while true - coaches do matter and can make/break a QB.

 

[A.C Vegas]

I usually trust BB but I think he was trying to out think himself this year trying to be ahead of what he thinks is coming and this time was wrong.

I just hope he can admit it and fix it for next year and he has hinted at it

 

[borg]

Quite possibly the worst example to support your thesis

 

[Scotty]

Not sure if I could back this up with valid stats but Doug Pedersen and Trevor Lawrence could also be successful given time ?

 

[Ian]

Quite possibly the worst example to support your thesis

Not sure how you can say that. He's a not-so-great QB who, paired with a good coordinator/coach, is playing better football with fewer interceptions and has his team in playoff contention. I would have mentioned Lawrence, but given the physical edge he has, I figured I'd point out a lesser QB to make a point.

 

[h0c2000]

Just noting that Daniel Jones, who isn't exactly a star QB has seen a notable improvement with a better coach:



I know a lot of people say players win games, coaches don't - and while true - coaches do matter and can make/break a QB.

Is your thesis, Joe Judge is a QB killer?

 

[Ian]

Is your thesis, Joe Judge is a QB killer?

LOL, not saying that - but this giant step backward certainly shouldn't help his resume.

 

[Boston Boxer]

I usually trust BB but I think he was trying to out think himself this year trying to be ahead of what he thinks is coming and this time was wrong.

I just hope he can admit it and fix it for next year and he has hinted at it

that is the big question...can he admit his mistake and just move Matt and Joe to a corner office somewhere. BB is stubborn as hell so we will see if he can do the right thing in the offseason. the right thing to do, and it would show the players he has their back, would be to fire Matt and Joe today. They are note winning anymore games this year anyway.

 

[venecol]

Which coach taught Mac not to throw to a wide open receiver and instead throw it to the flat in front of 2 defenders? Was that Patricia in his ear during the play? Enough with these excuses.

 

[Ian]

Which coach taught Mac not to throw to a wide open receiver and instead throw it to the flat in front of 2 defenders? Was that Patricia in his ear during the play? Enough with these excuses.

LOL, that's all you got? He completed 13 passes out of 31. He was 5-of-16 in the second half. It was an absolutely terrible outing.

I get you hate him, but a rational person would still look at this year and have a "WTF" thought. I've never witnessed a team ruin a rookie, and I never thought I'd actually have to watch it live considering how this year has gone.

 

[Froob]

I don't even want BOB, give me an OC from the Shanny system and try simplifying the offense again. Not sure what benefit we are getting out of our current system. It's tough on both the QB and WRs.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Just noting that Daniel Jones, who isn't exactly a star QB has seen a notable improvement with a better coach:



I know a lot of people say players win games, coaches don't - and while true - coaches do matter and can make/break a QB.

I dunno, Ian. Not sure Daniel Jones is the best example but your point is accurate one. There are some coaches who are great at game-planning, scheming and providing QBs with a framework to be successful. The Shanahan boys come to mind.

 

[lancerman]

Talent also matters. After year 2 a lot of people in Buffalo were ready to give up on Allen. Then they got Diggs and he came into his own with a big safety net, and then that was all she wrote

 

[Ian]

I dunno, Ian. Not sure Daniel Jones is the best example but your point is accurate one. There are some coaches who are great at game-planning, scheming and providing QBs with a framework to be successful. The Shanahan boys come to mind.

OK, I don't get how people can't look at what Daniel Jones has done under Brian Daboll and see the difference. I mean, look also what Daboll did with Josh Allen. It definitely makes a difference.

 

[Ian]

Talent also matters. After year 2 a lot of people in Buffalo were ready to give up on Allen. Then they got Diggs and he came into his own with a big safety net, and then that was all she wrote

It does, but like I just posted, look at Allen with Daboll. Another reasonably good example.

 

[PatsfanTN]

Is your thesis, Joe Judge is a QB killer?

I’ll say it, yes. Yes he is.

 

[Triumph]

Which coach taught Mac not to throw to a wide open receiver and instead throw it to the flat in front of 2 defenders? Was that Patricia in his ear during the play? Enough with these excuses.

It was Meyers standing uncovered at the 2 yard line.

Mac threw the checkdown for a loss of 5 yards.

 

[Ian]

@venecol

 

[Triumph]

Just noting that Daniel Jones, who isn't exactly a star QB has seen a notable improvement with a better coach:



I know a lot of people say players win games, coaches don't - and while true - coaches do matter and can make/break a QB.

There is hardly change comparing 2020 to 2022.

Yes, Ian coaching matters. John Elway did not win a ring until the right coach showed up in Mike Shanahan. But, Elway always had real talent and ability.

 

[RobertWeathers]

OK, I don't get how people can't look at what Daniel Jones has done under Brian Daboll and see the difference. I mean, look also what Daboll did with Josh Allen. It definitely makes a difference.

I don't want to split hairs but Jones was decent in 2019 as well....which also coincides when he had a 100% healthy Sasqan Barkley.

I think Daboll is also one of those good positional, offensive coaches. However in 2019 when it was Daboll/Allen and Allen was 20/9. In 2020 It was Daboll/Allen/Diggs and he exploded.