Game Day Thread Official Post Game Day Thread- Pats beat the Jets

[upstater1]

I don't know what you're watching. He most certainly tried to shake the guy off the line, blew past him, and then broke inside and sat. Jones apparently thought he would break out. Which is probably way all the sports people have said it was an option route. One Meyers and Jones did not read the same way.

Are we even talking about the same play?

Here it is:

It's clear that Meyers isn't going out on a route. He's literally preparing to block for a Henry screen, or at least feinting that.

Where do you see Meyers blowing past anyone here?

He's not even trying. Right from the snap, he turns his body and wedges the defender from the outside. A split second after the snap, he's actually facing toward the Patriots end zone.

Unless you're saying Meyers intends to run his route by backpedalling.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Pats still own the Jets. Good AFC/divisional win on the road.

I hope we can stop talking about who the "3rd down back" is. I kept saying Rham is a 3 down back since last season and there's no need for the musical chairs at RB. I'm glad he's finally being targeted in the passing game. 3-4 backs running on and off the field last year was totally unnecessary. Two backs is good.

Next week should be another chance at a win against Indy with Kirk and Vikings following who are due for a loss.

 

[upstater1]

Honest question... I saw some quotes from media essentially saying the Jets "beat themselves" and that they were a much better/more talented team and that they Jets "played down" to Patriots level. Now, some of these rants were from idiots like Rex Ryan and Bart Scott, but I have heard it on radio and other places too coming into/after yesterday.

Aside from record coming into the game, do people agree with this? I haven't watched a minute of Jets football this season but thought they were somewhat "overachieving" relative to their talent level. I personally would put them "on par" with Patriots and giving Pats a razor-thin advantage due to BB.

It looked to me like the Patriot defenders played zone and gave huge cushions to Jets receivers because they were just waiting for Wilson to throw it up there for grabs.

I mean--that's not good. Anyway you cut it.

 

[venecol]

But you also have to account for how many more snaps Mac has played vs zappe. I couldn't find snap count, but zappe has 33% less attempts than Mac, so as a percentage, zappe is running a much higher PA attack

Sure, but neither one is running it at a high rate. Reading some of these posts, they make it sound like Zappe is running PA 50% or more of the time, which isn't even close to being accurate. They both have very few of those plays, albeit Zappe has more of them.

 

[BB8XSBW]

I'm not a feet kisser.

The peasantry should respect its royalty. Trying to rise up against us - the ruling class - can only lead to negative consequences for you.

I'm only giving you this advice because I like you. I don't want to see you be forced out of here.

 

[rochrist]

Are we even talking about the same play?

Here it is:

It's clear that Meyers isn't going out on a route. He's literally preparing to block for a Henry screen, or at least feinting that.

Where do you see Meyers blowing past anyone here?

He's not even trying. Right from the snap, he turns his body and wedges the defender from the outside. A split second after the snap, he's actually facing toward the Patriots end zone.

Unless you're saying Meyers intends to run his route by backpedalling.

My mistake. I thought you were talking about the pick six play.

 

[Thelonious]

None, really. It was just different when I looked

Fair enough. I looked at ESPN like 4:00 in the morning. I am one of THOSE people.

 

[upstater1]

Ok liar. You still don't acknowledge my entire post. Typical of you.

You are constantly twisting stats. You were called out on it this week by a lot of posters.

You just twisted the truth in your response to me, in fact.

By saying some QBs had more games, you're making it seem like we're talking about one or two.

When one guy has 20 odd throws after 3 games, and all the guys ahead of him are also in the 20s except for 1, and these people have played 7, the stat actually is showing that mac is throwing downfield a lot more than every QB but one.

Yet your stat showed the reverse of that, and you tried to pawn it off as "some played more."

Get out of here.

It's the height of dishonesty.

Totally bogus and you know it.

You embarrassing yourself.

 

[upstater1]

My mistake. I thought you were talking about the pick six play.

I'm on record both during the game and after as calling the pick 6 a horrible throw

 

[crawhammer]

The Jets were the hot team of the moment. The media just spent the last two weeks ball washing them talking about how gritty they were and just finding ways to win and how Salah was cashing in the receipts he was keeping. So it is natural for the media to claim the Jets beat themselves rather than give the credit to the Pats.

That said, there were times they shot themselves in the foot like the totally unnecessary roughing the passer that overturned a pick six.

Did you see those picks by Wilson?... no better example of "beating yourself." I just hope he keeps his starting job for two more games at least.

And Saleh is a meathead in the vein of Dan Campbell.

 

[venecol]

You are constantly twisting stats. You were called out on it this week by a lot of posters.

You just twisted the truth in your response to me, in fact.

By saying some QBs had more games, you're making it seem like we're talking about one or two.

When one guy has 20 odd throws after 3 games, and all the guys ahead of him are also in the 20s except for 1, and these people have played 7, the stat actually is showing that mac is throwing downfield a lot more than every QB but one.

Yet your stat showed the reverse of that, and you tried to pawn it off as "some played more."

Get out of here.

It's the height of dishonesty.

Totally bogus and you know it.

You embarrassing yourself.

Lol, doubling down on your lies. You very well know that I posted the deep throw comparison based on per game & also per attempt. You even acknowledged that post, but conveniently ignore it to continue your disgusting lies. You're both dishonest and embarrassing. Nice combination for a supposed man.

 

[Rob0729]

Did you see those picks by Wilson?... no better example of "beating yourself." I just hope he keeps his starting job for two more games at least.

And Saleh is a meathead in the vein of Dan Campbell.

So the fact that the Pats pressured Wilson all day had nothing to do with it? The Pats didn't even need to rush the passer and he would have thrown 3 picks? Sorry, the Pats forced Wilson to make those bad throws.

 

[Zuma]

Lol, doubling down on your lies. You very well know that I posted the deep throw comparison based on per game & also per attempt. You even acknowledged that post, but conveniently ignore it to continue your disgusting lies. You're both dishonest and embarrassing. Nice combination for a supposed man.

I think for the most part you have given screenshots from respected websites of actual valid stats. If you're wrong...then the website that is gathering those stats is wrong.

 

[upstater1]

Lol, doubling down on your lies. You very well know that I posted the deep throw comparison based on per game & also per attempt. You even acknowledged that post, but conveniently ignore it to continue your disgusting lies. You're both dishonest and embarrassing. Nice combination for a supposed man.

Everyone saw what you did. Now you're being ridiculous.

Heck in that same thread Ian gives you a great stat from Mac converting 1st downs and you immediately counter with, he has poor ratings! You're obsessed. No wonder people say you're moving the goalposts with your stats.

But here's where you are purely dishonest and really, very very very bad at math, as you have Mac throwing the ball deep 21 times, which you divide by 4 games, and you get one or two long throws per game. In reality, it's 20 times over 3 games, or 6/7 times per game.

This is a much higher rate than everyone but Tua, Mahomes and Josh Allen.

You act like I'm the only one calling you out for your dishonesty. I can see why you're so prickly and defensive, but maybe next time, argue in good faith instead of trying to skew and lie constantly.

 

[catent]

Uh, no, that's wrong. Brady never ran an RPO

Cam ran many of them during his time here, which was two full years before Patricia became OC. In fact, Matt Patricia was not with the team that season.

I don't doubt that Patricia is having a role in the offense, duh, but I doubt that involves much diagramming of brand new plays. Maybe they've brainstormed some stuff, but I doubt he's frequently generating brand new plays that are being implemented into gameday gameplans.

If there's a legitimate concern to be had with the offensive coaching, it's Joe Judge coaching the QBs; that is one I cannot wrap my mind around and I have a hard time imagining he's particularly good in that role. I hope they bring in a bonafide, legitimate, experienced QB coach this coming offseason.

Patricia seems to be managing the offense well. I've been consistently pleased with the offensive play-calling and personnel utilization.

 

[signbabybrady]

I didn't admit guessing.

I literally wrote I'm guessing it was a screen in the first post you responded to. That's a totally different point.

What is bad timing by design is when Henry's route is run before the QB as time to make the decision on the option. I'm referring to Henry here, not Meyers.

As for Meyers, unless he doesn't know the play, then that's bad design. Because he doesn't try to shake his defender off the line.

In other words, he's not providing an option downfield.

Design seems to have created an open reciever. If the timings off it's not by enough for me to call out Matty P over it without more knowledge. Looks like he done with the fake and Henry is open right in front of him.

 

[venecol]

Everyone saw what you did. Now you're being ridiculous.

Heck in that same thread Ian gives you a great stat from Mac converting 1st downs and you immediately counter with, he has poor ratings! You're obsessed. No wonder people say you're moving the goalposts with your stats.

But here's where you are purely dishonest and really, very very very bad at math, as you have Mac throwing the ball deep 21 times, which you divide by 4 games, and you get one or two long throws per game. In reality, it's 20 times over 3 games, or 6/7 times per game.

This is a much higher rate than everyone but Tua, Mahomes and Josh Allen.

You act like I'm the only one calling you out for your dishonesty. I can see why you're so prickly and defensive, but maybe next time, argue in good faith instead of trying to skew and lie constantly.

Except that you continue to ignore the below post. See the explanation that included 20+, 30+, 40+, 50+ combined? It's all right here. Where are your receipts?

Mac Jones is the Starter [Update - Mac is starting vs the Jete, says BB]

We're doomed. Zappe can't pass over tall defenders. Mac's passes are being defended by skycam wires. Ska-rewed. If only there was a way to get the pass over the defenders arms and below the wires. That doesn’t leave us much room though

www.patsfans.com

The thing I find interesting is that you're full of opinions and hot takes but you never back anything up. Then when presented with actual stats, you just dismiss them, ignore them, or like now, attack the poster. You continue to dishonestly ignore what you're well aware of in an attempt to lie about what you know is false. You've been exposed as a liar. Just admit it and move on.

 

[upstater1]

Cam ran many of them during his time here, which was two full years before Patricia became OC. In fact, Matt Patricia was not with the team that season.

I don't doubt that Patricia is having a role in the offense, duh, but I doubt that involves much diagramming of brand new plays. Maybe they've brainstormed some stuff, but I doubt he's frequently generating brand new plays that are being implemented into gameday gameplans.

If there's a legitimate concern to be had with the offensive coaching, it's Joe Judge coaching the QBs; that is one I cannot wrap my mind around and I have a hard time imagining he's particularly good in that role. I hope they bring in a bonafide, legitimate, experienced QB coach this coming offseason.

Patricia seems to be managing the offense well. I've been consistently pleased with the offensive play-calling and personnel utilization.

Good point, I honestly erased the Cam year from my brain entirely

 

[upstater1]

Except that you continue to ignore the below post. See the explanation that included 20+, 30+, 40+, 50+ combined? It's all right here. Where are your receipts?

Mac Jones is the Starter [Update - Mac is starting vs the Jete, says BB]

We're doomed. Zappe can't pass over tall defenders. Mac's passes are being defended by skycam wires. Ska-rewed. If only there was a way to get the pass over the defenders arms and below the wires. That doesn’t leave us much room though

www.patsfans.com

The thing I find interesting is that you're full of opinions and hot takes but you never back anything up. Then when presented with actual stats, you just dismiss them, ignore them, or like now, attack the poster. You continue to dishonestly ignore what you're well aware of in an attempt to lie about what you know is false. You've been exposed as a liar. Just admit it and move on.

I think these stats show exactly how you constantly distort things.

I already explained how and why.

You have no counter to them. You repost the very same things on which people called you out.

I'm not the only one. Go back in that thread and see how many people are astonished by it.

You're as is typical trying to move the goalposts here by changing the stat in question.

The stat is deep throws divided by games. Mac doesn't throw one or two deep throws per game as you stated. And 3 versus 7 isn't simply "some guys may have played more games."

 

[upstater1]

Design seems to have created an open reciever. If the timings off it's not by enough for me to call out Matty P over it without more knowledge. Looks like he done with the fake and Henry is open right in front of him.

I posted the link to the play. It's right above you in this thread. Go look at it. Mac is looking to run. He only steps back after he sees the spy and determines he's not going to run.

His first option is NOT the throw to Henry. That much is clear.

And it should not be the first option on this play since it's much easier to get a yard on a run than it is to throw a screen with 3 defenders out there.

The best design would be for Jakobi to pull the spy with him and if the spy doesn't follow Jakobi, it's an easy TD.