Game Day Thread Official Post Game Day Thread- Pats beat the Jets

[Patsgofor4]

IF the Jets ever get decent QB they are in immediate contention. They have some nice pieces to work with and they can bring the heat on D.

That should eventually happen when you are drafting in the top 10 of every round for almost a decade. Took them much longer than it should have.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

That pick six was a horrendous pass that would have very likely led to a loss yesterday and effectively the end of the Patriots season. Thankfully the officials stepped in with a questionable call and then Zach Wilson happened the rest of the way.

Jones is playing losing football right now and I would imagine his confidence is pretty shaky at this point. I still believe Zappe would give the team a better chance for success this season. Jones isn't playing well enough to get through their December and January schedule with a winning record.

It wasn't a questionable call and we're not even sure he made the mistake on the throw.

 

[Pats2000]

Usually you run play action when you don’t trust the QB because you do want to get the defense to bite on the play action to give the QB extra beat to stand in the pocket and the receiver a step to get open. The first TD last week was set up solely because of play action because the LB covering Meyers totally bit on the play action and gave up his coverage on Meyers.

BTW, I think Zappe gets so much play action is because he takes a deep drop back which would be tough to do in a shot gun and the play action gives him a little extra time to do the extra steps.

So why are they running so little under center action for Mac? If he was able to execute it well, when aren't they giving Mac the same advantage?

 

[BB8XSBW]

Fascistly won't like that.

My friend, I know you are rattled today after what must have been a very difficult Sunday for you, but be more respectful of your Queen. She allows you to post on this forum, and we know that posting on this forum is what gives you life.

Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

 

[Rob0729]

Where are your numbers for that, according to mine he's been under center more than double the time Mac has

I agree with you that Zappe is under center more than Jones. I just don't agree there is a narrative that the Pats have to do play action on every play for him and he cannot play in the shotgun. He is just twisting what people have written.

 

[Bill Lee]

He clearly blames the offensive line and not Jones for the interception that counted.

He just said the ball was tipped. He didn't say if that was because of the O line, or if the defender just made a good play.

And he kinda alludes to Meyers being responsible for the pick six that was overturned or at the very least not putting all the blame on Jones.

Right, he blamed "everyone" and, as always, almost never points the finger at one particular player.

Personally, I don't take anything as face value Belichick says in any interview, but others do especially when they were convinced that Belichick's words last week was a clear indication he lost faith in Jones.

That narrative never made sense. Pretty much all the people around the team were saying Mac would play as much as possible as soon as he was ready, and that's what happened.

 

[upstater1]

How are season total stats for each QB cherry picking? Lol

You sound like every Mac bad play is because of: excuses.

Every Zappe good play is because of: excuses.

You're just not very credible and completely biased. The stats support what everyone is seeing on the field of play. No excuses. Period.

How is it cherrypicking?

When you show players who played 3 games going up against players who played 7.

When you say someone has 21 long throws, and in the next post you reduce that to 12, just to make things fit.

It's really disgraceful how you try to skew stats and present them.

Let's face it, I am here criticizing Mac while also accounting for everything else including bad coaching.

You're a johnny-one-note.

 

[Pats2000]

I agree with you that Zappe is under center more than Jones. I just don't agree there is a narrative that the Pats have to do play action on every play for him and he cannot play in the shotgun. He is just twisting what people have written.

It's close to 50/50 for zappe under center vs in shotgun, so not really sure what people are on about there

 

[upstater1]

You do know that virtually all their plays have been designed for years, right. They don't have Patricia in a back room scribbling up new plays all week.

Uh, no, that's wrong. Brady never ran an RPO

 

[venecol]

Where are your numbers for that, according to mine he's been under center more than double the time Mac has

Yes, he's got 20 PA vs 10 for Mac, or somerhing like that. I posted the stats from pro football reference. The point is the Pats aren't running a lot of PA UC this season for whatever reason. 30 PA plays out of a combined 230 attempts is 13%. That seems low, especially for the Pats.

 

[rochrist]

It's even worse than this.

I don't think Zappe can make NFL throws. That's my main problem with him.

But... Zappe has some functional advantages over Mac. He sets better, has better mechanics, and that gives his throws more zip, which is all that really matters in the end. I don't care how strong your arm is if you don't have a proper base and good mechanics. A guy with half your arm will throw with much better velocity if he moves better in the pocket, sets better, has a quicker release.

My problem in all of this is that Mac can make throws that Zappe can't, that Mac has much better accuracy (and you can see that on a few throws even yesterday), and that Zappe's good plays from this year speak to a limited sample against some weak defenses when he was playing from in front. Over the course of the season, he'd be exposed the way Mac has been.

At the end of the day, Mac must develop, must get his mechanics set, or we have no QB at all.

My big fear is that Patricia is incapable of getting this offense to the place where it needs to be.

Well, I expect Boy Genius to be available shortly.

 

[PatsFan2]

So why are they running so little under center action for Mac? If he was able to execute it well, when aren't they giving Mac the same advantage?

I think it's because of his wind up or mechanics by the time he turns his back: what happens if there's a player breakdown? The play is blown to complete hell. I think that's the reason he's in the Shotgun so often it should gives him a little advantage.

 

[BB8XSBW]

Absolutely beautiful work from the GOAT, despite quick pressure on multiple occasions due to an OL that is not at full strength, against the best defense in the league. No wonder Belichick praised him the way he did.

 

[rochrist]

I actually went over there to see if they had given up on him yet, or were clinging to some false hope. Seems most realize he's a bust.











Source: Zach Press Conference after Pats game


Indeed.

Can you imagine this board if we used the #3 overall pick on a QB, Darnold, ruined him, then used the #2 overall pick on a QB, Wilson, and ruined him too?

It seemed obvious to me that Wilson was not NFL-ready coming out of college and that da Jete had an all-new staff in place that had no experience developing a raw quarterback so it was obvious they were taking a big risk. You have a young kid full of himself and a young coaching staff that knows it needs wins or it will get fired. Not a formula for success.

Unfortunately, Jones and Wilson have pretty much identical stats for the season. By ESPN's rating, Wilson is actually ahead.

 

[PatsFan2]

Unfortunately, Jones and Wilson have pretty much identical stats for the season. By ESPN's rating, Wilson is actually ahead.

By my eyes Mac's a tad ahead yeah I need glasses.

 

[rochrist]

The throws to the boundary aren't accurate? Look damn good to me.

"He is not accurate", as if the book has been written on a 23 year old rookie who's played in fewer than 5 career games.

I don't see it, man. And if Zappe isn't accurate, I'm not sure what that makes Jones, who's had plenty of issues throwing the ball downfield and towards the sideline himself.

I trust Zappe a lot more throwing those 12-16 yard outs to the boundary than I do Jones.

Not accurate but completing more than 72 percent of his throws.

 

[Rob0729]

He just said the ball was tipped. He didn't say if that was because of the O line, or if the defender just made a good play.


Right, he blamed "everyone" and, as always, almost never points the finger at one particular player.


That narrative never made sense. Pretty much all the people around the team were saying Mac would play as much as possible as soon as he was ready, and that's what happened.

He said his arm was hit as he was throwing as if to say that wasn't his fault and then said specifically "The pass blocking could be better, that would help" which I took as him clearly blaming the o-line for his arm being hit which caused the INT.

 

[notex]

Honest question... I saw some quotes from media essentially saying the Jets "beat themselves" and that they were a much better/more talented team and that they Jets "played down" to Patriots level. Now, some of these rants were from idiots like Rex Ryan and Bart Scott, but I have heard it on radio and other places too coming into/after yesterday.

Aside from record coming into the game, do people agree with this? I haven't watched a minute of Jets football this season but thought they were somewhat "overachieving" relative to their talent level. I personally would put them "on par" with Patriots and giving Pats a razor-thin advantage due to BB.

 

[rochrist]

I didn't admit guessing.

I literally wrote I'm guessing it was a screen in the first post you responded to. That's a totally different point.

What is bad timing by design is when Henry's route is run before the QB as time to make the decision on the option. I'm referring to Henry here, not Meyers.

As for Meyers, unless he doesn't know the play, then that's bad design. Because he doesn't try to shake his defender off the line.

In other words, he's not providing an option downfield.

I don't know what you're watching. He most certainly tried to shake the guy off the line, blew past him, and then broke inside and sat. Jones apparently thought he would break out. Which is probably way all the sports people have said it was an option route. One Meyers and Jones did not read the same way.

 

[venecol]

How is it cherrypicking?

When you show players who played 3 games going up against players who played 7.

When you say someone has 21 long throws, and in the next post you reduce that to 12, just to make things fit.

It's really disgraceful how you try to skew stats and present them.

Let's face it, I am here criticizing Mac while also accounting for everything else including bad coaching.

You're a johnny-one-note.

Except I said in my post that some QBs had played more games, you're just ignoring that because it doesn't fit your lies.

I also, posted the #s on a per game & per attempt basis, which showed Zappe was #1 in deep throws per attempt. But again, you don't like the results, so you just lie about it.

The 21 deep throws included, the 12 & all other throws 30+, 40+, 50+. I specifically clarified that, and OWNED I made a mistake. But you can continue making distortions and lies. That's what you do.

It's really disgraceful how you try to distort and lie about my posts just because you don't agree with the stats, created by a well known pro football site. You can continue to lie, I'll stick with the stats, that I've noticed you never bother to argue, just attack the poster.