Game Day Thread Official Post Game Thread- Bears beat the Pats

[Rob0729]

Could it be that you're saying Matt Patricia becomes a 'worse playcaller' with Mac Jones? LOL. So is it the QB or the 'offensive assistant' at fault?

Patricia sucks as a play caller in general. He calls bad plays for Zappe too, He just calls different for the two QBs. And the plays he calls for Zappe just plays better to the strengths of the team. He calls plays for Jones to where he wants the offense to be despite that the offensive talent isn't suited for it. Look at post #674 that shows some visual evidence of this.

 

[Froob]

Patricia sucks as a play caller in general. He calls bad plays for Zappe too, He just calls different for the two QBs. And the plays he calls for Zappe just plays better to the strengths of the team. He calls plays for Jones to where he wants the offense to be despite that the offensive talent isn't suited for it. Look at post #674 that shows some visual evidence of this.

I think his play calling for Zappe has been pretty good. But, we've done a terrible job utilizing Jonnu, we somehow can't get him the ball in space.

 

[ashley]

A great film review by Lazar, a must read:

After Further Review: How do the Patriots Get Their QB Situation Back on Track, Fix Issues vs. Mobile QBs

How did the Patriots get here with quarterback Mac Jones?

www.patriots.com

 

[Rob0729]

Ok, Jakobi sprinted with his head fully turned for over 10 yards. Fine, that's all we can go on for now.

Will you concede that at worst, Zappe aimed and began his throwing motion before Jakobi turned his head? Even if the ball hadn't left his hand yet, in real world athletics, a QB must decide where the ball is going before the ball actually leaves his hand. Football 101 question. Where should the throw go? To the outside or to the center of the field. Rhetorical question but feel free to answer.

If you really believe Zappe saw Jakobi with his head turned inside before even beginning his throwing motion, stick with that theory I guess.

I am not conceding anything since we do not have any evidence either way. My take from the evidence we have is that the LB covering Meyers bit really hard on the play action and gave up coverage on Meyers and Meyers, like many WRs do in that situation, gave up on his designed route and headed towards the end zone. If he did that, he was likely looking back towards Zappe even before he threw the ball. Unfortunately, we do not have conclusive visual evidence either way. But if my theory is right, Zappe's responsibility was to either hit Meyers in stride or to the inside of him.

 

[Sect140]

I don’t care who the QB is, I want it to be the player that gives us the best chance at winning. Going back to last November and December Mac in his last nine games is 2-7 and has thrown 10 TD’s and 13 interceptions.

I‘m guessing the Krafts would prefer Mac because he was a first round pick.

 

[Rob0729]

I think his play calling for Zappe has been pretty good. But, we've done a terrible job utilizing Jonnu, we somehow can't get him the ball in space.

It is better than when he calls for Jones, but he has called his fair share of bad plays with Zappe. I think a lot of the reason it is better is because the plays he calls when Zappe is in there are just play calls that have a higher percentage of success. He calls a lot of low risk, low reward type of plays with Zappe while calling a lot more high risk, high reward plays with Jones.

 

[Silver Blue&Red]

He needs to correct the parts of his game that won't cut it.

I think he has a better chance of correcting his parts than Mac has correcting his. IMO.

 

[ashley]

Cleaning out the notebook from the Bears game like only Reiss can: A very good read for those interested:

 

[captain stone]

"...No doubt that LT Trent Brown is glad he won't have to see Robert Quinn again."

And I'll be glad when I won't have to see Trent Brown again.... and Jake the New Fake... and doGchow... and Ukulele the Cheater... and JaWrong & Jalopy...

 

[StrawHatPatriot]

I'd take Kirk Cousins over either of them right now. Him and a real OC.

By the way did you know that over the past 7 seasons, Kirk Cousins has thrown for over 4000 yards 6 times and has thrown for at least 25 TDs in all 7 of those seasons, and was named to 3 Pro Bowls?

Kirk Cousin career stats: Kirk Cousins Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft, College | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Yup. And that's with him being mostly unclutch (bad on Monday night) and the team getting 7-9 wins a year, only

This team looks like they'll win 7 at best after that loss

 

[crawhammer]

I 100% believe Patricia is sandbagging Mac with the play calls. That's the only thing that can explain Mac's poor performance. Nothing else makes any sense. Mac would have a 100+ rating in every one of his games if it wasn't for Patricia (& Judge, he's in on the conspiracy) sabotaging our 1st rounder. I think they despise him, and just like Patricia did with Butler, he got Mac benched.

OTOH, if Zappe was running the plays called for Mac, his rating would be worse than Mac's. For sure. Playing 100% out of the shotgun like he did in college in 686 attempts would discombobulate him to the point he would melt down into a crying little boy (he is very tiny).

Question is how do we fix this conspiracy? Is Bill in on it? I wonder.

If what you're saying is true - the coaching staff is conspiring against Jones - then Kraft should fire all of them right now. Right? I mean this is being egregiously irresponsible with Kraft's team. That said, the only way this seems possible is if Belichick is unaware of Patricia and Judge scheming to sabotage Jones. Because if Belichick prefers Zappe over Jones then why wouldn't he just go with Zappe? There's no reason for Belichick to have to make Jones look bad first... he's the head coach, making all of the final decisions, especially the most important ones like who's the starting quarterback. Also, if this was a Patricia & Judge conspiracy, then Belichick would have to be extremely dense not to pick up on it. Seriously those two clods are going to outsmart Belichick? Never mind the massive betrayal of the guy who gave them life again as NFL coaches... I mean where would these two losers be right now if not for Belichick?

And looking back at Mac's 6 INTs, those were really bad decisions and/or throws by Mac. Pretty clearly those INTs were mostly on him. The INT in the Bears game was a horrible play by Mac... I'm not putting that on coaching. Zappe's INTs were both on Zappe too.

Believe me, I think Patricia and Judge are both incompetent, but I find it hard to believe this conspiracy theory is valid.

 

[p8ryts]

A great film review by Lazar, a must read:

After Further Review: How do the Patriots Get Their QB Situation Back on Track, Fix Issues vs. Mobile QBs

How did the Patriots get here with quarterback Mac Jones?

www.patriots.com

I know there is a lot of talk about different play calling and putting Mac in a bad position. In a couple of Lazar's examples he was making a case but missed the obvious. There were options for Mac. In the first example he complained about the options available. Well, Thornton was open and Mac missed him. Protection was adequate. In the interception example, Cannon got beat inside but carried the rusher while Mac moved outside. But Mac fading back had a wide open Stevenson in front of him and just flung it deep into 3 defenders. I'm not saying Lazar isn't right, but I'm saying you can make a case to blame the coaches if you want but I'm questioning there analysis.

 

[p8ryts]

I 100% believe Patricia is sandbagging Mac with the play calls. That's the only thing that can explain Mac's poor performance. Nothing else makes any sense. Mac would have a 100+ rating in every one of his games if it wasn't for Patricia (& Judge, he's in on the conspiracy) sabotaging our 1st rounder. I think they despise him, and just like Patricia did with Butler, he got Mac benched.

OTOH, if Zappe was running the plays called for Mac, his rating would be worse than Mac's. For sure. Playing 100% out of the shotgun like he did in college in 686 attempts would discombobulate him to the point he would melt down into a crying little boy (he is very tiny).

Question is how do we fix this conspiracy? Is Bill in on it? I wonder.

Rob0729 and Venecol. I just believe you are over thinking this thing. In another post I took issue with Lazar's interpretation of a couple plays. I was a big Mac supporter last year, but something is wrong with his performance and I'm not willing to blame the coaches. On Mac's interception, the rush moved him outside but he was not in imminent danger and he had an open Stevenson in front of him and instead chose an undisciplined throw to someone covered by three defenders.

 

[p8ryts]

If what you're saying is true - the coaching staff is conspiring against Jones - then Kraft should fire all of them right now. Right? I mean this is being egregiously irresponsible with Kraft's team. That said, the only way this seems possible is if Belichick is unaware of Patricia and Judge scheming to sabotage Jones. Because if Belichick prefers Zappe over Jones then why wouldn't he just go with Zappe? There's no reason for Belichick to have to make Jones look bad first... he's the head coach, making all of the final decisions, especially the most important ones like who's the starting quarterback. Also, if this was a Patricia & Judge conspiracy, then Belichick would have to be extremely dense not to pick up on it. Seriously those two clods are going to outsmart Belichick? Never mind the massive betrayal of the guy who gave them life again as NFL coaches... I mean where would these two losers be right now if not for Belichick?

And looking back at Mac's 6 INTs, those were really bad decisions and/or throws by Mac. Pretty clearly those INTs were mostly on him. The INT in the Bears game was a horrible play by Mac... I'm not putting that on coaching. Zappe's INTs were both on Zappe too.

Believe me, I think Patricia and Judge are both incompetent, but I find it hard to believe this conspiracy theory is valid.

I find this conspiracy theory to be ludicrous.

 

[BritPat]

Cleaning out the notebook from the Bears game like only Reiss can: A very good read for those interested:

That Judon tidbit is a real eye-opener. Thanks Ashley, had missed this from mike (who I follow on Twitter).

 

[ralmat55]

I find this conspiracy theory to be ludicrous.

Given the pettiness and vengefulness ascribed to Patricia from his time in Detroit and now the disappearance of Kendrick Bourne, it’s not ludicrous at all.

 

[Jim Beankie]

I am not conceding anything since we do not have any evidence either way. My take from the evidence we have is that the LB covering Meyers bit really hard on the play action and gave up coverage on Meyers and Meyers, like many WRs do in that situation, gave up on his designed route and headed towards the end zone. If he did that, he was likely looking back towards Zappe even before he threw the ball. Unfortunately, we do not have conclusive visual evidence either way. But if my theory is right, Zappe's responsibility was to either hit Meyers in stride or to the inside of him.

Very clear that Jakobi hadn't turned yet. He did turn his head slightly left to look at #4 EJackson at the start of the throwing motion at the 24, so who knows if that influenced it. That being said, it's why BB's gotta commit to one QB to get reps and familiarity. I think it'll be Mac next week.

 

[Rob0729]

Very clear that Jakobi hadn't turned yet. He did turn his head slightly left to look at #4 EJackson at the start of the throwing motion at the 24, so who knows if that influenced it. That being said, it's why BB's gotta commit to one QB to get reps and familiarity. I think it'll be Mac next week.

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I stand corrected.

 

[crawhammer]

Very clear that Jakobi hadn't turned yet. He did turn his head slightly left to look at #4 EJackson at the start of the throwing motion at the 24, so who knows if that influenced it. That being said, it's why BB's gotta commit to one QB to get reps and familiarity. I think it'll be Mac next week.

Zappe wasn't good in the second half of this game however that TD pass to Meyers was perfectly thrown. Zappe threw the pass away from the safety over the middle... Meyers awkwardly twisting his body around made it look inaccurate.

Given the pettiness and vengefulness ascribed to Patricia from his time in Detroit and now the disappearance of Kendrick Bourne, it’s not ludicrous at all.

Your characterization of Patricia is entirely accurate however do you really think this boob is capable of outwitting Belichick to such an extent? Patricia, presumably with the assistance of Judge, purposely through game-planning and play-calling (that Belichick can overrule) put Mac in a position to fail while holding back all of the best plays for Zappe because Patricia (and Judge) prefer Zappe over Mac and they need to undermine Belichick's preference for Mac. That's so f*cked up I can't believe it.

 

[Deus Irae]

Bedard's on 98.5 today, and he's started off with the playcalling difference for the 2 QBs. I believe 98.5 now releases each hour of this show after it's over. I recommend people on both sides of the issue listen to this hour once it's done and released, if you're not already listening.