Paul Perillo Made an Excellent Point on Mac vs. Zappe

[WhatJustHappened]

MY PROBLEM with Mac, is his CONSISTENTLY Throwing it to THE OTHER TEAM(Right in their basket), he has 5ints, he should have 8 at least.... he's been pretty lucky, and poor.
He's playing like garbage, I don't really care what the excuses are, he's the general, if it ain't there, go somewhere else.

 

[Sect140]

Well you likely will be disappointed next Monday night then...

Mac nearly played yesterday. That isn't the sign of a coaching staff prepared to bench him.

That’s what I thought also but Zappe was asked today when he was told he was starting against the Browns, he said he was told Saturday.

 

[Nehalem]

Zappe has been 'serviceable'? I'm not sure what game you are watching, but yesterday the kid looked GREAT. Question for you- has Jones had ever looked as good as Zappe did yesterday for a full game? He's had good games, sure... but I would say no.

The thing I feel is being lost between the Zappe and Mac comparisons is that Mac was supposed to be the most NFL-ready QB in last years draft, while Zappe played D2 college ball.

And with that I can't say Mac played better last year than Zappe has this year.

 

[Sect140]

Dan Orlofsky says that there is no debate at NE QB.

Mac is "ELITE" case closed.

Oh Oh I hope he didn’t just put a deadly curse on Mac. The last couple years he’s been trying to convince everyone how great Carson Wentz is.

 

[upstater1]

The thing I feel is being lost between the Zappe and Mac comparisons is that Mac was supposed to be the most NFL-ready QB in last years draft, while Zappe played D2 college ball.

And with that I can't say Mac played better last year than Zappe has this year.

Zappe played D1, not Power 5 however. Western Kentucky is in Conference USA outside the Power 5. Zappe actually played against teams like Michigan St and Indiana

 

[TomPatriot]

Clips 4, 5, 6 appear to be simple mike IDs.
Clip 2 he appears to "alert" to potential blitzer off the edge
Clip 3 he appears to ID the mike and then also "alert" to potential blitzer by pointing towards someone on the edge
Not sure what all is going on in clip 1. Mike ID and then some funky stuff.

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Clip 1 looks like the dummy audible to Rham.

 

[mgteich]

After the first 3 games, I suggested that we had a fine Defense (at least top 10 and probably top 4) and that our future this season depending on play from the QB position.

SO, after 6 games, I have a couple of questions.

1) If we had the same level of QB play in the first four games as we have had for the last two, how many games would we have won?

2) If we have the same level of play as the last two games for the rest of the season, what are our prospects?

3) How many games will we likely win if Zappe stays as the starter until he needs be pulled?

4) How many games are we likely win if the switch is for the CHI game?

 

[TomPatriot]

But Zappe has yet to show he can throw the deep ball never mind a deep 50-50 ball.

Idk. Parker made a fine catch but Zappe threw a 50-50 ball to him that was money.

 

[Rob0729]

Idk. Parker made a fine catch but Zappe threw a 50-50 ball to him that was money.

That was about a 20-25 yard pass. Not quite a deep ball.

 

[RIpats88]

Zappe has been 'serviceable'? I'm not sure what game you are watching, but yesterday the kid looked GREAT. Question for you- has Jones had ever looked as good as Zappe did yesterday for a full game? He's had good games, sure... but I would say no.

I think he had some last year. 227 yards and 3tds against the jaguars 310 yards and 2 tds against the titans.

This is what I mean by recency bias..

 

[WhatJustHappened]

IS Zappe throwing it RIGHT TO the opposite team?
No, he isn't.
Was Mac? YES HE WAS.
BETTER TEAMS? Maybe a little, but those throws had my blood boiling.

 

[Triumph]

I count 7 Super Bowl QBs and 4 winners.

The best small-school quarterbacks ever

From Carson Wentz to Steve McNair, these are the best non-FBS quarterbacks ever.

247sports.com

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

That has to be the first time BB has ever been referred to as a "safe rather than sorry" type of coach/GM.

Definitely not the first time. Not the best examples. You actually make my argument for me but let's go through them.

BB makes in game decisions such as 4th & 2

If going for it on 4th down was that risky no one would do it. Coaches were behind on that as they are on other things bc most play scared. Now you see teams going for it on 4th all the time, going for two etc in part bc data has made an easier choice.

Also that was hardly a risk taker move if you actually remember what happen. Bill wasnt going all in and actually thought about punting, sending Hanson on the field and since you want to pin this on Bill why come out advertising a pass against a light Colts defense? Not Bill's finest moment even though I agree with going for it. He wasn't a gambler then though.

or UDFA rookie Malcolm Butler as the inside leverage corner on a goal line stand in the Super Bowl,

We should all be thanking Adams and Flo if we're being objective. Again compare Pete to Bill and tell me Bill is a "risk taker" That play sums it up perfectly as Carroll went "all in" on the biggest stage.

personnel decisions like trading Richard Seymour

Getting rid of aging vets wanting big days isn't exactly "risky"

or turning a former college wrestler Stephen Neal
into an NFL guard,

thats good coaching and development.

and draft decisions like Cole Strange, Jamie Collins, and others that make most football pundits thinks he's some eccentric contrarian out thinking himself. That is, until said pundits see the results.

You're doing a terrible job
So drafting an OL'm is actually one of the safer picks you can make in the draft. Just bc the Rams brass came out drunk and made fools of themselves doesn't mean it was a gamble.

Pro Tip from a #1 draft expert. 99% of the time there are no steals or reaches. Just people that miss, are right and dumb people who don't follow the draft that don't know how to value college prospects. I'll be wrong or right not one of those flipper heads. I had Strange just missing a 2nd RD grade. So far he's a been a good to really good guard flashing special traits so I'm on the wrong side but it's not overwhelming just yet although Strange looks like he's going to be really really good.

Back to the draft since you opened that door. How many big risk has Bill taken early (1-3/4) in the draft since that's really all that matters.

Consensus was upside down this year so I can't get too crazy but I suppose Strange was a slight risk considering not many had a 1st RD grade on him but again OL = safe early on. So i cant give him too much credit or we you want to call it. TT is a different story. That's a big swing. After that, nope. All consensual were they were supposed to go.

Last year was as chalk as you can get.

Dugger might have been seen as a risk to casual fans but was on top of my PTP Board and many other draft geeks knew he was going top 40-60.

2019 - I mean maybe Williams in the 2nd considering he should have been a 3rd-5th RD pick but he went with HWS like Harry. I mean bad eval more than risk but I'll give you slight risk.

2018 - nope

2017 - nope

2016 - nope

2015 - Richards was a big risk in the 2nd

2014 - Easley was a big risk in the 1st RD

2013 - Collins was a risk in the 2nd. Not huge but some.

2012 - Chandler was a risk in the 1st.

2011 - nope

2010 - nope. B.B. (Before Bacon) but Gronk had multiple 1st RD grades from teams. Raiders had him with an elite grade. If not for injuries he's a 1st RD pick.

2009 - to start - nothing risky or would make him a gambler.

BB's process is why he's such a divisive coach among football players. The players that feel entitled and want star treatment they've always received since high school or younger can't stand him. BB is incredibly calculated. He plays the best prepared football players on a weekly basis. That's it.

Agreed he's not a gambler.

 

[TomPatriot]

That was about a 20-25 yard pass. Not quite a deep ball.

Bailey Zappe dials up 29-yard deep ball to leaping Parker

New England Patriots quarterback Bailey Zappe dials up a 29-yard deep ball to a leaping wide receiver DeVante Parker.

www.patriots.com

 

[stinkypete]

People keep talking about Zappe lacking the arm strength to make the big throw. Since when did Mac have elite arm strength? I thought this was THE weakness in his game.

I'm no coach, but Mac's deep throws early in the year looked really bad.

 

[VrabelJr]

Definitely not the first time. Not the best examples. You actually make my argument for me but let's go through them.

If going for it on 4th down was that risky no one would do it. Coaches were behind on that as they are on other things bc most play scared. Now you see teams going for it on 4th all the time, going for two etc in part bc data has made an easier choice.

Also that was hardly a risk taker move if you actually remember what happen. Bill wasnt going all in and actually thought about punting, sending Hanson on the field and since you want to pin this on Bill why come out advertising a pass against a light Colts defense? Not Bill's finest moment even though I agree with going for it. He wasn't a gambler then though.

We should all be thanking Adams and Flo if we're being objective. Again compare Pete to Bill and tell me Bill is a "risk taker" That play sums it up perfectly as Carroll went "all in" on the biggest stage.

Getting rid of aging vets wanting big days isn't exactly "risky"

thats good coaching and development.

You're doing a terrible job
So drafting an OL'm is actually one of the safer picks you can make in the draft. Just bc the Rams brass came out drunk and made fools of themselves doesn't mean it was a gamble.

Pro Tip from a #1 draft expert. 99% of the time there are no steals or reaches. Just people that miss, are right and dumb people who don't follow the draft that don't know how to value college prospects. I'll be wrong or right not one of those flipper heads. I had Strange just missing a 2nd RD grade. So far he's a been a good to really good guard flashing special traits so I'm on the wrong side but it's not overwhelming just yet although Strange looks like he's going to be really really good.

Back to the draft since you opened that door. How many big risk has Bill taken early (1-3/4) in the draft since that's really all that matters.

Consensus was upside down this year so I can't get too crazy but I suppose Strange was a slight risk considering not many had a 1st RD grade on him but again OL = safe early on. So i cant give him too much credit or we you want to call it. TT is a different story. That's a big swing. After that, nope. All consensual were they were supposed to go.

Last year was as chalk as you can get.

Dugger might have been seen as a risk to casual fans but was on top of my PTP Board and many other draft geeks knew he was going top 40-60.

2019 - I mean maybe Williams in the 2nd considering he should have been a 3rd-5th RD pick but he went with HWS like Harry. I mean bad eval more than risk but I'll give you slight risk.

2018 - nope

2017 - nope

2016 - nope

2015 - Richards was a big risk in the 2nd

2014 - Easley was a big risk in the 1st RD

2013 - Collins was a risk in the 2nd. Not huge but some.

2012 - Chandler was a risk in the 1st.

2011 - nope

2010 - nope. B.B. (Before Bacon) but Gronk had multiple 1st RD grades from teams. Raiders had him with an elite grade. If not for injuries he's a 1st RD pick.

2009 - to start - nothing risky or would make him a gambler.

Agreed he's not a gambler.

Do you always contort people's arguments to be what you wish they were rather than what they are? You just wrote a wall text about whether BB takes risks in the draft. I don’t even know why you mention the word gambler, other than it being suitable as a scarecrow for your viewpoint.

My takeaway from your post is: Yes, BB has accomplished nothing, when you disregard everything he has done well. You wish BB was out there getting reckless in the draft, because that's what you live for. These things are not the same.

 

[rogerthat]

I think he had some last year. 227 yards and 3tds against the jaguars 310 yards and 2 tds against the titans.

This is what I mean by recency bias..

I agree that Mac played very well in that Jacksonville game. But I do not think he was as good as Zappe was yesterday.

 

[sportnik]

And yet Mac Jones is getting his job back when he's healthy. Probably will make his debut next Monday night.

What does that tell you about what the coaches think?

Have you watched BB at all over the past 20 yrs?

 

[captain stone]

OF COURSE Zappe hasn't made the same mistakes as Mac because he hasn't been asked to do the things Mac was early in the season. Zappe has basically been asked to do what Mac did last year.

Then why wasn't Mac asked to do what he did last year, this year?

 

[aluminum seats]

Patricia only called play action plays for Jones about 10% of time this year. Zappe is doing closer to 40% of the time

Play action is such a simple tweak I never get when it’s not used more