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Same thing was said about Jennings last year when he was IRed. Same thing. We will see. After Jennings, I would expect people to have more patience, but it is what it is.
I liked the Jennings pick, all he needed to do was stay healthy.
 
I’m just glad they kept him around for year 3 so he could get that half sack to give him more than Vernon Gholston. Man, old draft prospects make me feel old sometimes.
 
What's interesting is that @Wozzy has always been consistent that Jennings is more athletic and a superior prospect to Perkins. I didn't entirely agree, thought Perkins showed more potential and hadn't seen anything to garner any optimism about Jennings in any way, let alone his athleticism.

Lo and behold, Jennings is healthy and dude looks like he belongs. Physical, athletic, setting a hard edge, getting upfield with a pass-rush; he looks like the well-rounded edge in the mold of Vrabes/Ninko opposite Judon. If he manages to stay healthy and produce, a consistent presence at that spot will certainly make the defense better.

I'm very curious to hear your thought process, Wozzy, as to why you have always thought Jennings>Perkins, physically/mentally. I mean specifics, combine measureables, etc. It's been cool to see Jennings appear this season.
 
What's interesting is that @Wozzy has always been consistent that Jennings is more athletic and a superior prospect to Perkins. I didn't entirely agree, thought Perkins showed more potential and hadn't seen anything to garner any optimism about Jennings in any way, let alone his athleticism.

Lo and behold, Jennings is healthy and dude looks like he belongs. Physical, athletic, setting a hard edge, getting upfield with a pass-rush; he looks like the well-rounded edge in the mold of Vrabes/Ninko opposite Judon. If he manages to stay healthy and produce, a consistent presence at that spot will certainly make the defense better.

I'm very curious to hear your thought process, Wozzy, as to why you have always thought Jennings>Perkins, physically/mentally. I mean specifics, combine measureables, etc. Just curious to hear because it's been cool to see Jennings appear this season.
Before SPARK (or is it SPARQ) scores existed, I created my own value system based on athleticism… measurables. I refined it over the years placing a premium on certain measurables for certain positions.

Some people blanche at this, as if I’m saying “measurables determine success,” but I’ve never held that opinion. Measurables are only part of the equation. But if everything else exists in a prospect, smarts, health, heart… measurables set the ceiling.

Bill Parcells once said of drafting rookies (paraphrasing); “the first thing you look at is production, did he play well. Then you look at athleticism, smarts, intangibles etc…. then the last thing you look at is production.” So beyond measurables I look at production. I don’t even watch college football, I just look at the numbers once it’s all over.

The NFL draft process is a dice roll, it’s like being handed a bunch of scratch tickets. Humans are unreliable so rookies are unreliable… especially in one of the hardest jobs in the world.

There's no accounting for the human element; addiction, ego, vanity, stupidity, laziness, injury... this is why there are no "sure thing" picks, and the draft is a crapshoot.

In Jennings case due to covid and past injuries I had to go somewhat on faith. He didn’t workout prior to the draft. That being said I relied on production. Jennings led the best college team in the nation in sacks, tackles for a loss, QB Hits and was third in tackles and passes defensed. He was arguably their best defender. A bad injury as a junior made him slip in the draft, but his senior season he was healthy.

In Perkins case, he is simply a bad athlete for his size.

In hindsight Dalton Keene and N’Keal appear to be terrible draft picks… but what we know now is worthless on draft night.

When NFL teams learn how to predict future injuries (Keene) or a lack of heart (N’Keal) the draft will be foolproof… but that will never happen. I never offer guarantees on rookies, I simply give my opinion of whether they’re talented enough to succeed or not… after that it’s up to them, their coaches and luck (health).
 
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If there are injuries during the season, it's probably better to have someone like Perkins hanging around who knows the system.

I believe that being placed on IR before the cut-down to 53 = being unavailable for the Entire season... unless player & team agree on an injury settlement, which in that case = being made available to the other 31...
 
Same thing was said about Jennings last year when he was IRed. Same thing. We will see. After Jennings, I would expect people to have more patience, but it is what it is.

Somewhat similar, but not enough to be a strict apples vs apples comparison.
 
When NFL teams learn how to predict future injuries (Keene)

I've read that Keene was very durable during his college career. And Gronk in college had a significant back injury (which is why he fell to us).

 
I've read that Keene was very durable during his college career. And Gronk in college had a significant back injury (which is why he fell to us).

There’s no predicting injuries.

I think the Pats could do a better job of reading the medical charts from prior injuries, players like Sony, Wynn and Malcolm Mitchell come to mind, but when these players work out nobody bats an eye.

Plus they very often get these players at a position of value in the draft because of their injury history, like Jennings… then cross their fingers.

NFL teams, or at least the Pats, know rookies aren’t reliable. They’re not the answer at a position until they prove it. That’s why BB drafts N’Keal then pays UDFA Jakobi Meyers a hefty sum for a rookie to join his team, along with signing value vets like Demaryius Thomas to create competition… the position is not set until it is.
 
Very similar. Orange to tangerine?

Orange to grapefruit, maybe... Jennings had DE, OLB coverage/pass-rush, A-gap blitzing & ILB run-stopping duties for Nick Saban at Alabama; Perkins was strictly a pass-rushing, undersized (slightly smaller than even Wino) DE... A Terrible fit here from Day 1.
 
Happens every year to a third rounder. BB playing jedi mind games. Next year he will be cut
 
The guy plays like he should have been Un-Drafted what a waste of Draft capital.
 


Son of a b****

Trade Wynn already Bill before it’s too late!!
 
Orange to grapefruit, maybe... Jennings had DE, OLB coverage/pass-rush, A-gap blitzing & ILB run-stopping duties for Nick Saban at Alabama; Perkins was strictly a pass-rushing, undersized (slightly smaller than even Wino) DE... A Terrible fit here from Day 1.
It's been stated don't remind BB: Coach cap he's still have nightmares about the Jordan Richards selection.
 
Derek Rivers, Jake Bequette, Ronnie Perkins…

Can we please stop drafting DE’s in the 3rd round?
 


Son of a b****

Trade Wynn already Bill before it’s too late!!

How comes we didn't get First crack?? Did Fat Matt rub him the wrong way??
 
Derek Rivers, Jake Bequette, Ronnie Perkins…

Can we please stop drafting DE’s in the 3rd round?
Derek Rivers that's who I was trying to remember what a joke of a pick.
 
I believe that being placed on IR before the cut-down to 53 = being unavailable for the Entire season... unless player & team agree on an injury settlement, which in that case = being made available to the other 31...

Correct.

That's why I think Foxboro Flu is not their strategy for a second year player.

Yes, for a rookie redshirt, but by the second year I believe the team would rather risk waivers than toss away his season. And if they bring him back by an injury settlement, the player is exposed anyway.
 
How comes we didn't get First crack?? Did Fat Matt rub him the wrong way??
Hes played less than 1/2 a season the last 2 years. He is not what he was here.
 
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