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if someone else would contribute the same, but they’d not bring back anything and Meyers returns something that’s still a net gain to keep them and get whatever you can for him. And he might bring a decent return, competent NFL receivers do have value and he is one.
I said he can get open, I also think he’s one of the most instinctual receivers in his ability to find soft spots in zones and get his QB an easy third down conversion.
We’re going to find out where Thornton, Nixon and Wilkerson stand this preseason.
There are various systems you can use to quantify such statements. By DYAR and DVOA, Meyers was the 70th best receiver in the league last year. That's either the worst WR2 or the best WR3. The issue with Meyers is that he shouldn't be getting the most targets because he doesn't produce anything like a WR1.
So if the truth is somewhere between the extremes of "worst WR corps in the league" and "solid depth to at least 6 or 7 NFL-level WRs" - how much true risk is there letting guys like this walk? I just don't see it as the gut wrenching decision some are. The Patriots don't carry seven and sometimes don't even carry six.
That’s correct. Both Nixon and Wilkerson are on one year deals but will only be exclusive rights free agents after the season. So if either show anything, they’ll be resigned for 2023 for next to nothing. Both would be restricted free agents after 2023 unless multi-year deals are signed.
I'm the wrong one... IMO analytics are mostly nonsense, it's seeing what predetermined outcome one goes looking for.
We're working under the assumption the team and these young WR's shine in preseason.
The Pats are sitting on the third most cap space in the league (I think) in 2023, they have double digit draft picks... they're loaded with cap, cash and draft capital. If Nixon is explosive in preseason and Wilkerson looks uncoverable in the slot, they can afford to lock both up before their value skyrockets too much.
I'm hearing good things about Agholor thus far too, and it depends what we can get for him, to me -- though the cap savings would be fine too. I mean, I agree, it's 6 not 7. I wouldn't make the call until all injury information is in prior to the cutdown. Somebody might get injured, or "injured," close to the end of camp.
Agreed, wait until the zero hour before making a move. Make sure everyone on this roster is healthy, make sure the kids play to the expectations we're hoping they will. We're just spitballing here, there's certainly no rush.
Agholor caught 900 yards, 8 td's and had the second highest yards per reception in the NFL in 2020... he didn't come to NE and forget how to play, his talent didn't leave him like the levels on a video game. New team, bad blocking, mistake prone football, rookie QB... count the reasons why he had half the production as the previous season, but I guarantee (if healthy) it was neither of those first two reasons. He could put up those numbers (or better) here in 2022 if they play well, he could do it elsewhere if the conditions were right. He has value, the value in trading him is the combination of cap space and a late round pick. Again, same with Jakobi, I like it if they extended either or both of them rather than trade them... assuming the money was reasonable. I just want the five best receivers at the best value.
What's he want for money?
He's faster than Meyers by at least a tenth of a second, otherwise they could be brothers how similar they are. Bourne plays with a contagious energy, I'd hate to lose that, plus he is reasonably paid through another season (2023).
Wilkerson's is also faster than Meyers by at least a tenth of a second... his agility is unique in a league full of quick people. He has the best shuttle and cone of every WR or RB on the team. No weapon on the team has his ability to break ankles and make DB's lose a cleat trying to change direction with him. He's the same size as Bourne and Meyers but is an inch shorter, his agility is almost as quick as Edelman. Quickness/agility in the slot is more important than top speed, and he's not slow.
I can't/won't predict injuries... bad mojo.
Absolutely wrong. Established quantitative systems have no per player or per team bias -- unlike forum posters. I have relied on the Football Outsider system for years, i.e. I didn't pick it to dis Meyers or praise Bourne.
He effectively is used as check down receiver whom Mac went to far to many times last year for negligible meaningful production. The issue I have is not the targets he gets at the position but how little he can do with them. Lots of targets for the worst TD producing WR in league history is a huge waste. Give them to a playmaker. The offense would have been measurably better with more big plays from those targets -- like a Bourne would provide.
You'd think his lack of YAC wouldn't hurt him as much in the red zone but he completely disappears there because he actually gets covered and can't get open vs man coverage.
He's going to want a contract that vastly exceeds his actual value as the 70th best WR in the league. I'd much rather save the cap cost and see one of the kids get those targets.
Wilkerson is and endangered species
He set an NFL record for most receptions to start a career without a TD, so yeah, you can depend on him not to do anything with the ball in his hands and to never be open in the end zone.
Okay, I see a bunch of bookworms justifying a paycheck, but let's agree to disagree. Other people feel the same...
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Oftentimes he gets the ball because he's open, because time is running out on the QB, because he gets open fast. Last year I don't know who they should have been playing in the slot instead, but he's going to get a lot of targets in the middle of the field and closest in the line of site of the QB. Who they go with in the slot moving forward is anyone's guess, but in 2022 there may be some better options, not so sure about 2021.
In short space around the redzone his ability to find a cushion shrinks, and he's not fast enough to beat someone to a spot. He doesn't make a lot of home run plays either, or he gets chased down from behind... he's not winning a foot race.
Let's see, some guys are smart about contracts... others not so much. There's also likely some team willing to throw stupid money at him he can't refuse... in which case good luck.
And what?
Agree here...
