Harry to Chicago for 2024 7th rounder

[Patsgofor4]

The Patsfans’ Fellowship of the Miserable is out in full force in this thread. Shocker. Couldn’t pass up an opportunity to vomit up all of their old takes and puff out their chests about what they would have done, without any proof that it is they really thought back in April 2019.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Just a note, as a reminder for those who've been here a while, and as info for those who are new:


I didn't want Easley. I wanted Tuitt. I hammered on that for years, and I think that blown pick had a lot to do with the team's later problems (Easley and Brown in consecutive years was a disaster that had a huge impact on both the defense overall, and the need to make moves to address the DT spot at the expense of other positions). So I'm not keeping Easley out of the #1 spot for any reason but that I think Harry was just a bigger bust.

BB has made a lot of drafting mistakes over the years. A lot of questionable drafting decisions. And we can't be sure all the times he went over the scouts heads. But for sure we know BB went over the scout opinions to take Harry, it's been reported. Quite a disastrous decision by BB. And it puts into question his ability to even understand what makes a good WR prospect.

Bad information in the second/final paragraph. The narrative that Belichick is a poor drafter is not true. Does he make drafting mistakes? Yes. Is he, on average, as compared to the rest of the league, a high quality drafter and GM? Yes.

It's not bad information. It's just facts. BB had great drafts in his first decade with the Patriots. He took great guys like Richard Seymour, Vince Wilfork, Matt Light, and his best pick of all time, this relatively unknown skinny kid from Michigan named Tom Brady.

But this is a what have you done for me lately world. And BB's drafts have nosedived in the last decade of his 'leadership' of the Patriots. It's hard to say whether the scouting or player personnel department has gotten worse over the years, or whether BB just made poor decisions overriding said department, as was clearly the case with the drafting of N'Keal Harry over nearly a dozen better WR prospects available in that draft.

 

[VJCPatriot]

What not one of those guys - some of whom were still basking in the glow of a parade just 3 months earlier and were therefore seeing this pick through IBIT eyes - mentioned was who was still available at the very same position... Prisco, who was also closer to the truth with his grade, wanted Paris Campbell; but those of us who better understood the Pats offense wanted Deebo Samuel or (my choice) AJ Brown ahead of Cambell & Harry because the former two would've been better fits here for what McD & Brady liked to do than the latter two would've been... Perhaps Bill should've consulted Josh & Tom instead of his b!tch-buddy Sperm Edwards...

Agreed. My attitude at the time was In BB I trust. I was just happy we had taken a WR in rd 1 but I really was a big fan of Deebo Samuel coming into that draft. And as history has shown there were at least a half a dozen way better WR prospects who have all had great careers already compared to N'Keal Busto.

 

[VJCPatriot]

if the forum idiot says Belichick is the worst drafter in the league, he needs to provide proof…and that means a comparison to other GMs

Do you really want to do this?

BB's 1st round selections 2014-2020:
2013 No pick or traded down
2014 Dominique Easley - BUST
2015 Malcolm Brown - No longer with team, JAG
2016-17 No Picks or traded down
2018 Isiah Wynn - not worth his 10m salary JAG, injury prone, Sony Michel - JAG, should have taken Chubb instead
2019 N'Keal Harry - BUST traded for a 7th round pick
2020 No pick or traded down

It's not pretty.
Do you want to compare that with the Buffalo Bills GM?

2014 WR Sammy Watkins
2015 No pick
2016 Shaq Lawson
2017 CB Tre'Davious White - Pro Bowler
2018 QB Josh Allen - Pro Bowler
2019 DT Ed Oliver
2020 No pick

Bills have way more upside and contributing players from their draft picks. And that's just one of the 31 other teams in the NFL. I'm sure if you look at the top teams you'll see GMs who have done as well or better than the Bills, and way better than the Patriots in the past decade.

2021 was really the only draft that BB knocked out of the park, and maybe it was more due to the guy stacking the draft board, Dave Ziegler, who has already left for the Raiders.

 

[Patsgofor4]

Do you really want to do this?

BB's 1st round selections 2014-2020:
2013 No pick or traded down
2014 Dominique Easley - BUST
2015 Malcolm Brown - No longer with team, JAG
2016-17 No Picks or traded down
2018 Isiah Wynn - not worth his 10m salary JAG, injury prone, Sony Michel - JAG, should have taken Chubb instead
2019 N'Keal Harry - BUST traded for a 7th round pick
2020 No pick or traded down

It's not pretty.
Do you want to compare that with the Buffalo Bills GM?

2014 WR Sammy Watkins
2015 No pick
2016 Shaq Lawson
2017 CB Tre'Davious White - Pro Bowler
2018 QB Josh Allen - Pro Bowler
2019 DT Ed Oliver
2020 No pick

Bills have way more upside and contributing players from their draft picks. And that's just one of the 31 other teams in the NFL. I'm sure if you look at the top teams you'll see GMs who have done as well or better than the Bills, and way better than the Patriots in the past decade.

2021 was really the only draft that BB knocked out of the park, and maybe it was more due to the guy stacking the draft board, Dave Ziegler, who has already left for the Raiders.

And where in the first rd were those Pats vs Bills players chosen, you simpleton?

 

[catent]

Brady knew Harry was a bust way before Belichick was willing to admit it.


Asiasi and Keene for sure... complete misses on back-to-back TEs taken in the same round. Ouch.


Is that list supposed to be impressive? Malcolm Brown? He's a 0. Thompkins had 17 career starts, lasted 3 years in the league. Cardona is a long snapper needlessly taken in the 5th round (could have had him as an UDFA). The NFL is playing hot potato with Sony Michel. I don't get putting Garoppolo in the win column... any player you can't trust in the postseason is not a success story. The rest of that list contains 1 pro bowl appearance.

If you’re not willing to label Garappolo a successful draft pick, I don’t think your opinion regarding whether a given draft pick was successful or not, is worth anything.

 

[mgteich]

Remaining deadweight on the roster (post harry trade)

Slowjuan williams
Keane
Assyassy
Bryant
Anderson

Williams played OK last year. He is fine as our 8th or 9th position DB. HOWEVER, we certainly hope that folks like Butler and Mitchell will both beat him out for a roster spot.

Let's examine a straightforward scenario. M Jones turns out to need development as a CB, and is our punt returner.
Jack Jones, Mills, Jonathan Jones are our starters.

That 4 CB's. I suspect that we will keep 2 backups, with the expectation that M Jones develops as a nickel.
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PICK 2
Butler, Mitchell, Wade, Williams, Bryant
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CONCLUSION
I think a LIKELY scenario is Mitchell or Butler AND Williams or Wade

 

[XLIX]

if the forum idiot says Belichick is the worst drafter in the league, he needs to provide proof…and that means providing a comparison to other GMs

Hey Mac.... 10 letters.... "Belichick without Brady".... you know the answer.

 

[VJCPatriot]

And where in the first rd were those Pats vs Bills players chosen, you simpleton?

So you respond to a list of facts with personal insults? That about sums up the Legion of BB defenders. BB can do no wrong, he's the god-pharoah! How dare we question his drafting over the past 10 years? We must bow down and prostrate ourselves!

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Do you really want to do this?

BB's 1st round selections 2014-2020:
2013 No pick or traded down
2014 Dominique Easley - BUST
2015 Malcolm Brown - No longer with team, JAG
2016-17 No Picks or traded down
2018 Isiah Wynn - not worth his 10m salary JAG, injury prone, Sony Michel - JAG, should have taken Chubb instead
2019 N'Keal Harry - BUST traded for a 7th round pick
2020 No pick or traded down

It's not pretty.
Do you want to compare that with the Buffalo Bills GM?

2014 WR Sammy Watkins
2015 No pick
2016 Shaq Lawson
2017 CB Tre'Davious White - Pro Bowler
2018 QB Josh Allen - Pro Bowler
2019 DT Ed Oliver
2020 No pick

Bills have way more upside and contributing players from their draft picks. And that's just one of the 31 other teams in the NFL. I'm sure if you look at the top teams you'll see GMs who have done as well or better than the Bills, and way better than the Patriots in the past decade.

2021 was really the only draft that BB knocked out of the park, and maybe it was more due to the guy stacking the draft board, Dave Ziegler, who has already left for the Raiders.

First of all, a draft is more than one round. Second, the fool (49) said Bill was the worst drafter in the league. Therefore, such a statement requires a comparison of the patriots to the drafting of 31 other teams. The Bills are only one team. Third, the Bills consistently picked much higher than the Pats did over the past 20 years.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Hey Mac.... 10 letters.... "Belichick without Brady".... you know the answer.

Sorry Buccaneer fan, this forum is for Patriots fans only

 

[TheRainMaker]

As we all come together and morn the loss of N'Keal Harry and wish him luck on his next adventure, I took the liberty to put together his greatest moments here in NE:

Kept hanging up on BB on draft night. Took him a long time to figure out it might be a good idea to go outside for better reception.
Messing up so badly his QB laughed at him in disgust (which I think was unprofessional).
Jet sweeps.
Blocking.
Calling himself a "f**kin' animal!"
Hype video's of him running on the beach in slow motion.
His teammate calling him "Dough Boy".
Blocking his own man.
Unnecessarily diving for a ball he ended up dropping.
Running into a loose ball punt (Bills recovered).
Couldn't outrun a MLB for 10 yards who forced a fumble at the goal line.
Karate chopping a pass which I think caused an INT.
Standing on the sidelines and staring at Cam Newton who was frantically motioning him to go up field.
Getting badly outplayed by an UDFA.

 

[Patsgofor4]

So you respond to a list of facts with personal insults? That about sums up the Legion of BB defenders. BB can do no wrong, he's the god-pharoah! How dare we question his drafting over the past 10 years? We must bow down and prostrate ourselves!

Sorry if I hurt your fee-wings but you didn’t answer my question, likely because it doesn’t fit your argument. Asking for context is not the same as saying that Bill can do no wrong. The defining characteristic of the Belichick haters is intentionally leaving out vital information in order to (falsely) strengthen a negative take.

White was a great late 1st round pick but all of the others were top 20 picks.

4 (terrible pick at the spot)
7 (obvious hit)
9 (meh, 1 good year out of 3 so far)
16 (hit - you forgot one that actually helped your argument lol)
19 (miss)

Please don’t try to argue that the Patriots wouldn’t have been just a successful, if not more successful, with those five top 20 picks, because you’ll come across as either a liar or a fool.

 

[Zuma]

 

[RobertWeathers]

************ good riddance.

 

[Kasmir]

Anyway it is terrible...a 1round pick...and now we get a future 7...
Honestly this is atrocious...not so much to celebrate...

It's a glorious opportunity for Belichick bashers to celebrate -- which is exactly what is going on in this thread.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Anybody else see the irony in this?

 

[VJCPatriot]

First of all, a draft is more than one round. Second, the fool (49) said Bill was the worst drafter in the league. Therefore, such a statement requires a comparison of the patriots to the drafting of 31 other teams. The Bills are only one team. Third, the Bills consistently picked much higher than the Pats did over the past 20 years.

It's even sadder that all you can do is keep making excuses for BB.

Want to talk about Draft Position?

N'Keal Harry #32. 598 yards, 4 TDs

Deebo Samuel #36. 2598 yards, 10 TDs

AJ Brown #51. 2995 yards, 24 TDs

Mecole Hardman #56. 1791 yards, 12 TDs

DK Metcalf #64. 3170 yards, 29 TDs

Diontae Johnson #66. 2764 yards, 20 TDs

Terry Mclaurin #76. 3090 yards, 16 TDs

Hunter Renfrow #149. 2299 yards, 15 TDs

It's like the Brady 6 but in reverse. Frankly EMBARRASSING draft FAIL by BB.

I don't think I need to go on. Just stop while you're ahead, the Legion of BB defenders are just deluding yourselves at this point.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Hype video's of him running on the beach in slow motion.

Want to know the scariest part? That's not slow motion. That's his actual running speed. LMAO.

 

[TommyD4207]

Do you really want to do this?

BB's 1st round selections 2014-2020:
2013 No pick or traded down
2014 Dominique Easley - BUST
2015 Malcolm Brown - No longer with team, JAG
2016-17 No Picks or traded down
2018 Isiah Wynn - not worth his 10m salary JAG, injury prone, Sony Michel - JAG, should have taken Chubb instead
2019 N'Keal Harry - BUST traded for a 7th round pick
2020 No pick or traded down

It's not pretty.
Do you want to compare that with the Buffalo Bills GM?

2014 WR Sammy Watkins
2015 No pick
2016 Shaq Lawson
2017 CB Tre'Davious White - Pro Bowler
2018 QB Josh Allen - Pro Bowler
2019 DT Ed Oliver
2020 No pick

Bills have way more upside and contributing players from their draft picks. And that's just one of the 31 other teams in the NFL. I'm sure if you look at the top teams you'll see GMs who have done as well or better than the Bills, and way better than the Patriots in the past decade.

2021 was really the only draft that BB knocked out of the park, and maybe it was more due to the guy stacking the draft board, Dave Ziegler, who has already left for the Raiders.

lol

Patriots Picks:
2014 - #29
2015 - #32
2018 - #23, #31
2019 - #32

Bills Picks:

2014 - #4
2016 - #19
2017 - #27
2018 - #7, #16
2019 - #9


There is a slight difference there. See, when you suck, you get really high draft picks. When you don't, you get low draft picks.

By the way - Watkins at 4 was an absolute bust at #4, he's been on 3 other teams now, Shaq Lawson is a JAG at best, and you left off Tremaine Edmunds who is another bust.

"As well or better". Your job is immensely easier if you're picking in the top 10. Your whole premise is disingenuous at best.