DRAFT Cole Strange-Welcome to the Pats

[DaBruinz]

That tweet came out after I posted my post. Regardless, I stand by my statement

It came out last night that Bill felt he had information that state that Strange would be off the board by 54.

 

[Kdo5]

It came out last night that Bill felt he had information that state that Strange would be off the board by 54.

Says Bill and his people.

 

[cupofjoe1962]

Per usual,. you go off on some unrelated moronic tangent.
BTW, Tavon Wilson wasn't a bust. And what about all the OTHER 2nd round picks during that time?

Tavon Wilson sucked for a 2nd round pick.

What’s the matter…. You can’t figure a way
To defend the Jordan Richards or JoeJuan Williams picks?

8 - second round picks in a 12 year period on the same position & the best was Tavon Wilson?

That is a terrible record & I stand by that statement.

The fact you don’t agree with something that obvious shows your a Belichick BoBo.

 

[DaBruinz]

realistically, we need Dante BACK! He is the magician that we need.

Dante or Popovich.

 

[Triumph]

He is also SB champ.

With a QB who he did not draft and playing against a very weak NFC.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

 

[cupofjoe1962]

Says Bill and his people.

They must have got that same info on JoeJuan Williams, Cyrus Jones, Jordan Richards, etc…

 

[Patsgofor4]

Pats gave up the 3rd least sacks in the NFL.

3rd FEWEST sacks.

 

[DaBruinz]

Tavon Wilson sucked for a 2nd round pick.

What’s the matter…. You can’t figure a way
To defend the Jordan Richards or JoeJuan Williams picks?

8 - second round picks in a 12 year period on the same position & the best was Tavon Wilson?

That is a terrible record & I stand by that statement.

The fact you don’t agree with something that obvious shows your a Belichick BoBo.

Nothing is the matter with me. You, on the other hand, have shown that you can't stay on topic. You bring up unrelated garbage and think you're somehow proving a point. So, there is no point. You'll just spin your garbage again and again. It's what you do.

BTW, Tavon Wilson was a 3 year starter for the Pats. That hardly falls into the "sucked" category.

You can stand by your irrelevant statement all you want. It's not the subject of the conversation.

 

[Triumph]

Everyone makes mistakes, but it really is the most honest info on what other teams thought of the pick. Not necessarily the player but the pick. And it was both McVay and the Rams GM. It was a very real response. Not the calculated sort of I don’t want to offend a fellow coach response. It shows that it’s not just draftniks and ESPN hosts who thought it was a huge reach. Contrast that with rumors or maybes that some other team might have drafter him before 54.

Im wondering what the other 30 opinions look like.

Belichick drafted the guys who beat Mcvays team in the Super Bowl.

 

[Sicilian]

Pats gave up the 3rd least sacks in the NFL.

They also had the 7th fewest number of pass attempts. I don't think the pass pro was terrible (and Mac getting better at recognition should help a lot as well), but just looking at aggregate sacks numbers doesn't paint the whole picture.

 

[Wozzy]

The Jest's supposedly had an amazing draft the year before last, they drafted Mekhi Becton with the 11th overall pick, Denzel Mims in the 2nd was a stud at WR, safety Ashtyn Davis was a solid pick in the 3rd, DE Jabari Zuniga was going to be a sack artist in the 3rd... Two years later they're looking to replace all four of those first players.

The Raiders just declined to exercise the fifth-year option for EDGE Clelin Ferrell. Shocking. The No. 4 overall pick in the 2019 draft, Ferrell has eight sacks total in three seasons… tell me again about draft value and perception. It’s garbage, the result of too many know it alls running their mouths.

Perception about draft value is simply that, pre-draft perception.

 

[Rob0729]

No indication he was their guy at 104. They scouted him to see if he would be their pick at 104. That doesn’t mean they would not have taken a different guard at 104 or drafted an entirely different position.

We have no idea what they meant. That was my interpretation of their response. McVay does say something about spending all the time scouting the guy as if it was wasted time for them. It gave me the indication he was the guy they were hoping for.

You can concede this point and still kill Belichick if that is what you want. 104 is a lot lower than 29. So even if he was their guy at 104 you can still kill Belichick for drafting him at 29.

 

[Sicilian]

The Jest's supposedly had an amazing draft the year before last, they drafted Mehai Becton with the 11th overall pick, Denzel Mims in the 2nd was a stud at WR, safety Ashtyn Davis was a solid pick in the 3rd, DE Jabari Zuniga was going to be a sack artist in the 3rd... Two years later they're looking to replace all four of those first players.

The Raiders just declined to exercise the fifth-year option for EDGE Clelin Ferrell. Shocking. The No. 4 overall pick in the 2019 draft, Ferrell has eight sacks total in three seasons… tell me again about draft value and perception. It’s garbage, the result of too many know it alls running their mouths.

Perception about draft value is simply that, pre-draft perception.

Also, even if their draft turns out as good as it looks on paper, it's easier to knock the first round out of the park when you start with two top ten picks.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

When the Pats drafted Devin McCourty, I was pissed too. The announcers on TV were confused and were like "well, he's a good special teams player." Turned out to be a great pick.

Somehow Belichick's comment that they viewed him as a four-down player became that they saw him as a fourth-down guy.

 

[Hyped]

Comments:

1.) We don't definitely KNOW if Strange would have been there in round 2 or 3.

2.) The Patriots brain trust clearly had him at the top of their board. Belichick even said they might have taken him at #21.

3.) 1st round pick on a plug in starter on the OL? That will never ever get any complaints from me. It is nice to have plug-in-and-start type of guys on Sundays....you can't ever have enough meat up front. We are a running team with a 2nd year QB and no game breakers on offense....we need meat up front...and some back up too. It solves one problem...we could quibble all day about whether the value was there in round 1 or not...it's done with...we have our starting OL: Wynn, Strange, Andrews, Onwenu, and Brown...that's a fantastic line right there.

4.) Brandon Beane the Bills GM said that they had Elam as the last "round 1 graded prospect" on their board and that was at pick #23. I like us taking advantage of the Chiefs needing to leapfrog the Bills for a CB. We made those two teams give up a 3rd, a 3rd, and a 4th for two CB's.

5.) I look forward to what we will do with picks:

Second round: 54th
Third round: 85th
Third round (from Chiefs): 94th
Fourth round (from Chiefs): 121st
Fourth round: 127th

Supposedly in a draft that is DEEP from rounds 2-4...we get to dip into that pool 5 times....and we got our OL pick out of the way. Now we can let the board come to us, IMO.

 

[crawhammer]

You were the guy screaming Richard Seymour, Logan Mankins, Devin McCourty and Joe Thuney were a reach back when… you’re literally that guy.

Who's revisiting prior drafts? You were literally the guy raving about Jordan Richards, Cyrus Jones and Joejuan Williams.

Cole Strange... drafted by Bill Belichick yesterday. Probably will be the worst pick made by any team in the entire 2022 draft. Belichick actually said "had we not traded down we probably would have taken Strange at #21" ...so it could have been worse.

 

[203Pat]

Mason wasn’t cheap, and he was on the backside of his career.

Karras was who I was talking about. The Mason move I didnt love but I understood why they did it. Karras was cheaper and apparently good enough to hold off Onwenu all year. Bill made him an offer then allegedly dropped it by $2 mill and Karras ended up signing in Cincy for more than either offer Bill made. I think Bill made a miscalculation and this pick was his correction.

 

[DaBruinz]

Some people just don’t get it. Kid could be fine. Good. Great even. Who knows. THEY ARE STILL WEAKER THAN LAST SEASON due to him at best filling Shaq Mason’s former spot. Because he’s a freaking guard. Meanwhile there are gaping holes all over the roster and especially on defense. You want to argue this is a pick for the long haul that Shaq wouldn’t be able to fill long term then fine do it that might be true. But DONT then say we should expect NEXT year to be an improvement over last year because we are still worse while the entire rest of the conference got better. You can’t say the Pats are ahead of schedule and already in the mix as too many people did last season and somehow also say this is a 5 year rebuild and we need patience.

That's the problem. Strange isn't going to be playing RG. He'll be playing LG with Onwenu at RG.

There aren't "GAPING" holes on the roster, contrary to your claims. Holes, yes. Not gaping.

Try taking a step back and actually reviewing the roster.
The Pats have a PLETHORA of D-Line. Most of which are 3/5 tech guys. But only 2 guys who have had any sort of success at NT in the Pats 4-2 Over formation. But those two guys were inconsistent. That's why many wanted a NT in the form of Davis, Jones or McCall.

The Pats seem to be thin at edge. Even if you consider Perkins there. They only have Judon and Wise there. Maybe Uche.

The Pats have 8 LBs signed. Which is a lot considering there are only 2 spot in their 4-2. While I thought someone like Quay Walker would be nice, it's more of a luxury pick.

The Pats also added Jabril Peppers to the Safety/ LB mix with Phillips and Dugger. So, adding a Dax Hill or Brisker seems like overkill unless you have them playing CB for a year.

The Pats added Mitchell and Butler while getting Jon Jones back from injury. I fully expect a CB to be added. The RUMOR is that they'll be playing more ZONE this year. But Mitchell and Butler are clear upgrades over Myles Bryant. As is Peppers. Having another CB who could learn the slot would be nice. Having someone who can play both would slot and Outside would be nice.

At WR, the Pats have 4 veterans in Bourne, Parker, Meyers, and Agholor. I thought, for sure, the Pats would send Agholor packing in a trade to free up cap space. Especially since he's relatively inexpensive compared to many of the contracts just signed.,

So, with all that said. How did the prospects you mentioned grade out in comparison to the players the Pats have on the roster? That's the big thing people forget. The Patriots always self-grade. If they don't see someone whom they think will be better than what they have, despite whatever hype they are receiving, why would they add that player? And no, I'm not saying that the players you mentioned suck. I'm saying that we don't know how the Pats actually viewed them.

Now, all that said, here is the KEY that everyone overlooks. How do the prospects rate out in comparison to what's on the Roster.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

That's an explanation I'm open too.

But here we are with Gordon and Booth still available, likely to go in the next 10 picks, and then who?

There's a massive drop off.

We'll be looking at the guards too, like Rhyan and Kinnard.

Who knows as far as cb goes. I only know bb has had many easy opportunities to fill the hole and chose not to just yet. Jcj signed a very fair contract with lac considering his services and/or coulda been tagged for roughly the same amount . And bb passed over at least 3 rd 1 caliber talents at cb between 21-29 to draft a guard. This with cb (IMO) being the biggest current need. So my guess is he has a plan there hes quite confident in that im hoping will work out. But id definitely say If cb ends up biting us this year he should be questioned about it.