2022 PTP Draft Board / Pats Draft Talk

[PatsFan2]

2003 was pretty special:

Ty Warren, Eugene Wilson, Asante Samuel, Dan Koppen, Tully Banta-Cain all contributed. (Bethel Johnson, who was the third pick, had his moments but couldn't stay healthy -- and throw in Kliff Kingsbury for laughs.)

We also got OL Marcus Cannon in one of those Drafts good player for us for years.

 

[captain stone]

2003 was pretty special:

Ty Warren, Eugene Wilson, Asante Samuel, Dan Koppen, Tully Banta-Cain all contributed. (Bethel Johnson, who was the third pick, had his moments but couldn't stop sucking because he didn't ****ing deserve to be a 2nd-round pick (for whom stupid Little Billy traded UP!) while Anquan Bolden was still available -- and throw in Kliff Kingsbury for laughs.)

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[Mike the Brit]

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Ah, captain, never change!

If I recall correctly, Bethel Johnson had some horrendous injury (no spleen or something like that) which shortened his pro football career. Still, I'm not going to argue that Anquan Boldin wouldn't have been a better pick.

 

[captain stone]

Ah, captain, never change!

If I recall correctly, Bethel Johnson had some horrendous injury (no spleen or something like that) which shortened his pro football career. Still, I'm not going to argue that Anquan Boldin wouldn't have been a better pick.

A postscript to that trade-up for BJ: Bill eventually traded-up to Re-Acquire #120 after the pick had changed hands another time, at the cost of #s 128 & 157... A good thing he did if another team between 120 & 128 were also interested in Asante $amuel...

To conclude: In order to move up 5 lousy spots to #45 to draft somebody that in almost every likelihood imaginable would've still been available at #50, Bill gave away #s 50, 128 AND 157...

Poof... 3 picks, gone... Like a fart in the wind...

Even during his better drafts, which this was, Bill still makes at least one move that has one go What the **** are you doing?!?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

FWIW, Peter Schrager's mock 2.0 draft is out and it's based on what he's hearing around the league. he has the Pats taking Trent McDuffie...

Peter Schrager 2022 NFL mock draft 2.0: Bills add offense; Chiefs double down on D

www.nfl.com

Pick
21

New England Patriots


Trent McDuffie
Washington · CB · Junior
The Patriots didn't re-sign J.C. Jackson and are looking at Jalen Mills and Malcolm Butler as the likely starting corners. Neither is the long-term answer at CB1. McDuffie has a lot of fans around the league.

 

[captain stone]

FWIW, Peter Schrager's mock 2.0 draft is out and it's based on what he's hearing around the league. he has the Pats taking Trent McDuffie...

Peter Schrager 2022 NFL mock draft 2.0: Bills add offense; Chiefs double down on D

www.nfl.com

Pick
21

New England Patriots


Trent McDuffie
Washington · CB · Junior
The Patriots didn't re-sign J.C. Jackson and are looking at Jalen Mills and Malcolm Butler as the likely starting corners. Neither is the long-term answer at CB1. McDuffie has a lot of fans around the league.

Except for possibly DE George Karlafits, McDuffie would be my choice here too, if forced to keep the pick.

 

[WaterfallJumper]

Things that make me take a second look. Incredibly similar numbers. @BaconGrundleCandy do you have notes on Waletzko?

RASRAS Compare

Have you ever wanted to look at two players side by side and see how they tested when compared to one another? Does that new rookie your team drafted remind you of a player from yesteryear and you&…

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[captain stone]

Things that make me take a second look. Incredibly similar numbers. @BaconGrundleCandy do you have notes on Waletzko?

RASRAS Compare

Have you ever wanted to look at two players side by side and see how they tested when compared to one another? Does that new rookie your team drafted remind you of a player from yesteryear and you&…

ras.football

I don't remember SeaBass' arms being 34-1/4"... According to the item below, they were 33-1/4... though somehow I recall reading about them being even shorter...

Scarnecchia on offensive tackle arm length: ‘That is way overrated'

FOXBORO – When Dante Scarnecchia describes the types of qualities he’s looking for in his linemen, the list has always been the same. “We covet three things when we look for offensive linemen,” Scarnecchia said before Super Bowl LII. “They have to be smart, they have to be tough, and they have...

www.nbcsports.com

 

[ralmat55]

The 2002 draft included Deion Branch, David Givens, Daniel Graham and Jarvis Green. 4 solid contributors to back to back championships.

All from a draft where the Pats picked 32nd overall and didn’t have extra picks. Kind of lays to waste the argument that the poor drafts of late were caused by poor draft position.

In the 2001 draft, the Pats moved down in the 2nd round only to have to scramble to move ahead of the Jets to draft Matt Light.

 

[upstater1]

The 2002 draft included Deion Branch, David Givens, Daniel Graham and Jarvis Green. 4 solid contributors to back to back championships.

All from a draft where the Pats picked 32nd overall and didn’t have extra picks. Kind of lays to waste the argument that the poor drafts of late were caused by poor draft position.

In the 2001 draft, the Pats moved down in the 2nd round only to have to scramble to move ahead of the Jets to draft Matt Light.

One good pick late picking doesn't override all the many other drafts of failing to find good players there.

Last 4 picks of 2020: Igbinoghene, Gladney, Edwards-Hilaire, Isaiah Wilson (4 busts)
2019: Collier, Baker, McGary, Harry (3 busts & mediocre McGary)
2018: Bryan, Hughes, Michel, Lamar Jackson (only Lamar Jackson worth it)
2017: 2 busts
2016: 3 busts
2015: 3 busts and Malcolm "Ugh" Brown
2014: 3 busts and Tedy Bridgewater

The point is that the bottom of the first round is essentially the same as the 2nd round when it comes to hit rate. It is nothing like the rest of the first round. The first round grades are all gone by the time you get to the last 4 picks.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Curious to learn more about Olaseni. He had some interesting tape against rushers you have pretty highly rated (not perfect against Thib, but had flashes, and did fairly well against Jackson), but he's a 5th in your board. Is that because his technique needs a lot of development and polishing? For a guy his size, his movement is extremely impressive, despite poor testing numbers. He looks more fluid on tape. I'd like to see him as an understudy to Trent Brown. They're similar in size.

Still going through your grades. This is fantastic stuff. I'm relying on you even more than usual this year since I've been busy taking care of this sweet little guy and haven't watched much game tape.

Yea I thought him & Eze would grade out a little higher.

There's a lot to work with, with Bam but he's a project. A lot of it is just him not having experience (in terms of starts) , he started kind of late. I see that on tape. He's missing a lot of nuance and has almost no plan B most of the time. Again the experience isn't there and I see that in his lack of reaction time on counters. He's overcommited a lot whether it's trying to protect the edge, worried about getting beat inside. Once he's beat its over too often he needs a better overall plan and plan B.

I think his lower half is out of whack at times. Not in concert with his upper half. Base is a little too narrow specifically when facing speed outside. Weight transfer is off. Too top heavy at times.

First step / slide was inconsistent in every game I saw (6)

He's awkward in the run game. Can't maintain his leverage / power. Sloppy trying to go down hill by himself and in combos.

I always give guys breaks in terms of what angles they take on certain blocks or sets bc a lot of that is coaching but he was sloppy moving and trying to latch on and move someone.

I'm curious where others have him. Always nervous right now. I'll start to look at what others (Lance, Waldman, Dane) have around this time when I get a chance.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Intersting...you have no one graded over 9.0. It really does speak to a weak draft class.

Yup I few guys graded a little lower than I anticipated but there's no "elite" lottery picks in this class. Obviously you have a top tier but there's not a lot of separation from them and the next group.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Things that make me take a second look. Incredibly similar numbers. @BaconGrundleCandy do you have notes on Waletzko?

RASRAS Compare

Have you ever wanted to look at two players side by side and see how they tested when compared to one another? Does that new rookie your team drafted remind you of a player from yesteryear and you&…

ras.football

Yup gimme a few I'm at work. I think @Uptown @ me too. I'll get back to you in a few hopefully wrapping up soon.

 

[KDPPatsfan85]

 

[Sciz]

Yea I thought him & Eze would grade out a little higher.

There's a lot to work with, with Bam but he's a project. A lot of it is just him not having experience (in terms of starts) , he started kind of late. I see that on tape. He's missing a lot of nuance and has almost no plan B most of the time. Again the experience isn't there and I see that in his lack of reaction time on counters. He's overcommited a lot whether it's trying to protect the edge, worried about getting beat inside. Once he's beat its over too often he needs a better overall plan and plan B.

I think his lower half is out of whack at times. Not in concert with his upper half. Base is a little too narrow specifically when facing speed outside. Weight transfer is off. Too top heavy at times.

First step / slide was inconsistent in every game I saw (6)

He's awkward in the run game. Can't maintain his leverage / power. Sloppy trying to go down hill by himself and in combos.

I always give guys breaks in terms of what angles they take on certain blocks or sets bc a lot of that is coaching but he was sloppy moving and trying to latch on and move someone.

I'm curious where others have him. Always nervous right now. I'll start to look at what others (Lance, Waldman, Dane) have around this time when I get a chance.

Brugler has him as the 29th tackle and a priority free agent. He's the oldest player listed in that guide, already 26 years old.

 

[WaterfallJumper]

I don't remember SeaBass' arms being 34-1/4"... According to the item below, they were 33-1/4... though somehow I recall reading about them being even shorter...

Scarnecchia on offensive tackle arm length: ‘That is way overrated'

FOXBORO – When Dante Scarnecchia describes the types of qualities he’s looking for in his linemen, the list has always been the same. “We covet three things when we look for offensive linemen,” Scarnecchia said before Super Bowl LII. “They have to be smart, they have to be tough, and they have...

www.nbcsports.com

Perhaps. I care a lot more about movement and core strength than arm length. I think it's the single most overrated characteristic at any position, unless players fall outside of historical norms by a significant margin.

I've done a fair bit of both hand to hand and armed combat (mostly HEMA), against opponents with significantly more reach, and while it can create a challenge, I've never been at a disadvantage just because I'm short and have short arms. I imagine it's similar with an OL. Technique and footwork matter more.

Plus this guy has vines for arms. They don't get much longer.

 

[PatsFan2]

Ok this is way I felt about A.J. Brown in 2019 and I'm going to list this here...

I will say if we go D in the First let's say at 21 I want George Pickens or Skyy Moore at #40 via a Trade up. These two guys scream Patriots WR they can both play inside and out they will contribute from Day 1.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Brugler has him as the 29th tackle and a priority free agent. He's the oldest player listed in that guide, already 26 years old.

I feel good about that or not bad at least. Idk I look at a 5th-pudfa almost the same in terms of value. There's not a huge gap there.

 

[nowayback]

FWIW, Peter Schrager's mock 2.0 draft is out and it's based on what he's hearing around the league. he has the Pats taking Trent McDuffie...

Peter Schrager 2022 NFL mock draft 2.0: Bills add offense; Chiefs double down on D

www.nfl.com

Pick
21

New England Patriots


Trent McDuffie
Washington · CB · Junior
The Patriots didn't re-sign J.C. Jackson and are looking at Jalen Mills and Malcolm Butler as the likely starting corners. Neither is the long-term answer at CB1. McDuffie has a lot of fans around the league.

I would take Karlaftis, Wyatt, Green or Johnson before mcduffe

 

[ralmat55]

Star Prospect Devonte Wyatt's Domestic Violence Charges Are Coming Back To Haunt Him

Well, that's a bummer...

clutchpoints.com

Think I’d pass on Devonte Wyatt.