BB in damage control mode regarding Brady's departure

[Ring 6]

Read your own words... high-powered offense with elite scoring efficiency... best rebuild of an offense in history... those are your words. And I'm moving the goalposts because I want a minimum 10 regular season wins and at least one playoff win? I'm not even saying they have to win the division, which they haven't in 2 straight seasons after having won 16 in a row with Brady. I'm conceding the division to Buffalo, I'm merely asking for the same number of wins plus one playoff victory. According to you, we're witnessing an all-time historic rebuild by Belichick, so I don't think I'm asking for too much.

I did not say high powered offense with elite scoring efficiency. Those are in fact NOT my words at all.
You are moving the goal posts from MY WORDS “we couldn’t have kept Brady and improved upon the 2019 team” to we could have cut guys to fit his contract in.

Where did I say it was an all time historic rebuild? The fact that you are making up things I didn’t say is proof you must know you are wrong since you refuse to discuss my actual words and opinion and must alter them to give yourself an argument.

 

[Ring 6]

With Brady that sh*tty 2020 team wins 11-13 games and the division like always... in 21 seasons Brady has won less than 11 games only 3 times. That 2019 team lost three games in a row when the opposing quarterbacks combined for 0 TDs and 5 INTs... Brady wins those games throwing lefthanded.

And McCourty stopped being a top anything, other than money earner, a long time ago. Don't get me going on Slater... Devin Hester had 20 special teams TDs in his career... you tell me who's the more valuable STer?

They were one and done with a better team in 2019.

 

[1960Pats]

Read your own words... high-powered offense with elite scoring efficiency... best rebuild of an offense in history... those are your words. And I'm moving the goalposts because I want a minimum 10 regular season wins and at least one playoff win? I'm not even saying they have to win the division, which they haven't in 2 straight seasons after having won 16 in a row with Brady. I'm conceding the division to Buffalo, I'm merely asking for the same number of wins plus one playoff victory. According to you, we're witnessing an all-time historic rebuild by Belichick, so I don't think I'm asking for too much.


With Brady that sh*tty 2020 team wins 11-13 games and the division like always... in 21 seasons Brady has won less than 11 games only 3 times. That 2019 team lost three games in a row when the opposing quarterbacks combined for 0 TDs and 5 INTs... Brady wins those games throwing lefthanded.

And McCourty stopped being a top anything, other than money earner, a long time ago. Don't get me going on Slater... Devin Hester had 20 special teams TDs in his career... you tell me who's the more valuable STer?


Brady's coming off of two of his best back-to-back seasons ever... he's not retiring and nor would he have had he stayed in NE.

I don't see the Pats getting to 10 wins again this season but I hope I'm wrong. It's still early too. The acquisitions from last year could be improved and BB could hit the draft.

The McCourty and Slater signings also put to bed the notion that Bill doesn't show favoritism. Too bad Tom wasn't one of his favorites.

Nobody could have predicted how strong Brady would look at his age but that doesn't let Bill off the hook. He had no backup and Brady went on to win with TB.

Krafty must be fuming.

 

[1960Pats]

They were one and done with a better team in 2019.

I had to look at that and make sure I didn't misread it. I didn't.

 

[crawhammer]

I did not say high powered offense with elite scoring efficiency. Those are in fact NOT my words at all.

Then what's this?...

Into the 6th highest scoring offense, 2nd highest score per drive % and a playoff team in free agency.

You're touting the efficiency of their scoring drives and scoring offense generally... are you not? I'm not sure how else to interpret what you're saying.

Where did I say it was an all time historic rebuild?

Right here...

Could be the best free agency rebuild of an offense, results wise in history.

They were one and done with a better team in 2019.

They were better in 2019 because they had Brady, he makes a big difference. Had Newton been their quarterback in 2019 they would have finished 7-9 a season earlier. That 2020 season they were losing games with horrible quarterback play on both sides... Brady makes each of those games far more winnable.

 

[Ring 6]

Then what's this?...

You're touting the efficiency of their scoring drives and scoring offense generally... are you not? I'm not sure how else to interpret what you're saying.


Right here...



They were better in 2019 because they had Brady, he makes a big difference. Had Newton been their quarterback in 2019 they would have finished 7-9 a season earlier. That 2020 season they were losing games with horrible quarterback play on both sides... Brady makes each of those games far more winnable.

Listing their ranking is not calling them “high powered” and “elite”.
Evidently that is what you consider them after you learned how they performed. Glad I could educate you.

Do you dispute that taking what they had before free agency and turning it into the results they produced was incredible? Can you name a better example?

Minus the QB they were better by a lot in 2019 than 2020. That is pretty much indisputable since they lost more and better players than they added. They were 5 games worse.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Brady's coming off of two of his best back-to-back seasons ever... he's not retiring and nor would he have had he stayed in NE.

Stafford's 2021 season was better. Not only did Stafford have almost as many touchdowns and yards as Brady, he did it with 120 fewer passing attempts. And of course he greatly outplayed Brady in the playoffs. Brady's past two years have basically been the result of him having the most talented supporting cast he's ever had and him throwing the ball more than anyone. We saw what happened with no AB or Godwin.

 

[crawhammer]

Listing their ranking is not calling them “high powered” and “elite”.
Evidently that is what you consider them after you learned how they performed. Glad I could educate you.

I don't think their offense is elite at all. I like their RBs who are a top 10 group but you don't win championships with a decent running game. Their pass offense is mediocre. They scored 104 points in two games against the Jets and Jaguars in blowouts so the 6th ranking in scoring doesn't impress me. So I guess you're saying you arbitrarily posted those numbers because they're seemly not using them to support an argument.

Do you dispute that taking what they had before free agency and turning it into the results they produced was incredible? Can you name a better example?

Pretty easily... the 2020 Bucs... they went from 17 consecutive seasons with no playoff wins to a Super Bowl title. Look at Cincinnati... from 4-11-1 to a Super Bowl appearance by bolstering their defense through free agency and adding Chase through the draft.

A lot of teams can get a bump in wins by adding a few key players and they don't all have to spend historic amounts of money like the Patriots did. How many of those signings were actually worth it?... Judon, Henry, Bourne.. two of which weren't even the premier signing at their position. Agholor, Smith, Mills, Godchaux and Anderson either haven't worked out or weren't worth the money or both. So I don't think it's incredible when you throw a bunch of signings against the wall to see which will stick.

Minus the QB they were better by a lot in 2019 than 2020. That is pretty much indisputable since they lost more and better players than they added. They were 5 games worse.

By a lot?... I don't agree with that. They won 5 less games in 2020 but you're also saying they made a significant step forward in 2021 when they lost 1 less game and had the same number of playoff wins. That 2019 team started falling apart in December... they finished out the season 2-4. In 2020 they finished out the season 1-3 and last year 1-4. If you tally their December/January record over the last three seasons... 6-11 and winless in the postseason... the days of playing your best football after Thanksgiving seems to have gone south (literally).

 

[crawhammer]

Stafford's 2021 season was better. Not only did Stafford have almost as many touchdowns and yards as Brady, he did it with 120 fewer passing attempts. And of course he greatly outplayed Brady in the playoffs. Brady's past two years have basically been the result of him having the most talented supporting cast he's ever had. We saw what happened with no AB or Godwin.

They lost in OT in the divisional round against the team who eventually won the Super Bowl. That's what happened.

Brady led the NFL in TDs and passing yards. He had more TDs and less turnovers than Stafford. Brady was second in MVP voting. Stafford wasn't even the best player on his own team.

 

[sb1]

The pretender comment wouldn’t be considered “accurate”

Any team that built their temporary #1 seed ranking on beating very injury depleted teams and a soft schedule only to finish 1-4 against a tougher schedule and get waxed as a one and done is a pretender.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

They lost in OT in the divisional round against the team who eventually won the Super Bowl. That's what happened.

Brady led the NFL in TDs and passing yards. He had more TDs and less turnovers than Stafford. Brady was second in MVP voting. Stafford wasn't even the best player on his own team.

Stafford had 2 fewer TDs and 500 yards on 120 fewer passing attempts. That shows that Brady was not really an MVP candidate and had numbers that were inflated. And no, they did not lose in OT to the Rams. Stafford got the ball with 42 seconds left and 1 TO and led a GW drive. Even Brady has never done this in the playoffs.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Stafford had 2 fewer TDs and 500 yards on 120 fewer passing attempts. That shows that Brady was not really an MVP candidate and had numbers that were inflated. And no, they did not lose in OT to the Rams.

Stafford got the ball with 42 seconds left and 1 TO and led a GW drive. Even Brady has never done this in the playoffs.

only a 28-3 deficit turned into a SB win

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

I don't think their offense is elite at all. I like their RBs who are a top 10 group but you don't win championships with a decent running game. Their pass offense is mediocre. They scored 104 points in two games against the Jets and Jaguars in blowouts so the 6th ranking in scoring doesn't impress me. So I guess you're saying you arbitrarily posted those numbers because they're seemly not using them to support an argument.

the passing offense needs a lot of work, he won't except it. In fact he talks about misleading stats where as his stats are the most misleading at all because those offense stat imply that we had a top 5 offense. Our passing offense was average at best, some just need to see the games,especially against other playoff contending teams,

Pretty easily... the 2020 Bucs... they went from 17 consecutive seasons with no playoff wins to a Super Bowl title. Look at Cincinnati... from 4-11-1 to a Super Bowl appearance by bolstering their defense through free agency and adding Chase through the draft.

A lot of teams can get a bump in wins by adding a few key players and they don't all have to spend historic amounts of money like the Patriots did. How many of those signings were actually worth it?... Judon, Henry, Bourne.. two of which weren't even the premier signing at their position. Agholor, Smith, Mills, Godchaux and Anderson either haven't worked out or weren't worth the money or both. So I don't think it's incredible when you throw a bunch of signings against the wall to see which will stick.


By a lot?... I don't agree with that. They won 5 less games in 2020 but you're also saying they made a significant step forward in 2021 when they lost 1 less game and had the same number of playoff wins. That 2019 team started falling apart in December... they finished out the season 2-4. In 2020 they finished out the season 1-3 and last year 1-4. If you tally their December/January record over the last three seasons... 6-11 and winless in the postseason... the days of playing your best football after Thanksgiving seems to have gone south (literally).

 

[SHOWTIME15]

only a 28-3 deficit turned into a SB win

That's not what I was talking about. I was talking about getting the ball with 40 seconds or so to go and leading the Pats/Bucs on a GW drive.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

That's not what I was talking about. I was talking about getting the ball with 40 seconds or so to go and leading the Pats/Bucs on a GW drive.

you can't hold this against brady men. How in the world can brady affect when the opposing offense drive ends? He has no influence on this.Could be a minute, could be 2 could be 20 seconds.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

you can't hold this against brady men. How in the world can brady affect when the opposing offense drive ends? He has no influence on this.Could be a minute, could be 2 could be 20 seconds.

What do you mean? He had an opportunity to do it in SB 42 (with 28 seconds and 3 TOs, only needing a FG) and again in SB 46. It's not as if he's never been in a 40 second situation before. The best I can think of was his GW drive vs NO when Thompkins caught a last second TD, but this was done with 1:13 on the clock. In SB38, of course, the Carolina kicker spotted the Pats the ball on our own 40. Mahomes and Rodgers have done it several times.

 

[sb1]

That's not what I was talking about. I was talking about getting the ball with 40 seconds or so to go and leading the Pats/Bucs on a GW drive.

No but he did it with 81 seconds on the clock in a MUCH bigger game. I highly doubt Stafford could have done that.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

No but he did it with 81 seconds on the clock in a MUCH bigger game. I highly doubt Stafford could have done that.

Maybe with 80 seconds left, but Brady's arm strength does not allow him to get the ball downfield quickly.

 

[sb1]

Maybe with 80 seconds left, but Brady's arm strength does not allow him to get the ball downfield quickly.

You sure?

 

[Ring 6]

Any team that built their temporary #1 seed ranking on beating very injury depleted teams and a soft schedule only to finish 1-4 against a tougher schedule and get waxed as a one and done is a pretender.

What were they pretending?