Bobby Wagner

[Triumph]

The Pats need to get younger and faster yesterday.

 

[Pape]

The cap is crap. They'll just do voidable years

Ask the saints .. the talent drain there because of the mismanaged cap lead their coach to walk out the door after they lost their franchise QB...

There are mechanics to avoid the cap for a little while, but, eventually, it always comes back to bite you in the ass...

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A better than average cap management system here allowed us to be competitive for two decades... I get that people are still butthurt about the cap being used as an excuse to let Brady walk... But don't you think it's time to let that go?

 

[Steve102]

Let's face it, pats are not an attractive team for free agents/ Mediocre team at best, no marquis game changers, unproven qb, terrible coaching stafff.

 

[PaulThePat]

Let's face it, pats are not an attractive team for free agents/ Mediocre team at best, no marquis game changers, unproven qb, terrible coaching stafff.

It's not possible for any fan to be as consistently miserable as you. This has to be a trolling account, and not a very good one.

 

[Sicilian]

The cap is crap. They'll just do voidable years

The cap is an illusion

More accurately, the cap NUMBER is misleading. The cap itself is very much a limiting factor, as no matter how you structure (and restructure) contracts, eventually that money is going to hit it. It's just a matter of whether it hits it this year, in a future year where you still have the player, or a dead hit when the player is gone. There's obviously a lot of maneuvering that can be done year to year, but it's not like teams could go out, get the highest paid player at every position, and so long as the owner has deep pockets they can "make the cap work". So it's not as dire as many make it out, but if teams didn't consider the cap when making their decisions they would absolutely tank.

 

[BTTA]

Let's face it, pats are not an attractive team for free agents/ Mediocre team at best, no marquis game changers, unproven qb, terrible coaching stafff.

So I read this as sarcasm. It isn't?

 

[Username]

In any case, I'd be wary of signing Bobby Wagner. Superb player, and leads by example, but there's an awful lot of tread on those tyres, for the kind of money he'll be looking for

 

[FCB02062]

6 feet tall - too small for Coach Bill. Also too fast. Bill the GM prefers guys like Brandon Spikes at 6'3' 260 and a 5.6 40 time....

 

[jah]

6 feet tall - too small for Coach Bill. Also too fast. Bill the GM prefers guys like Brandon Spikes at 6'3' 260 and a 5.6 40 time....

Brandon Spikes was drafted 12 years ago at a time when we still ran a defense that looked a lot closer to the 2004 system than what we have now.

 

[Chevy]

In any case, I'd be wary of signing Bobby Wagner. Superb player, and leads by example, but there's an awful lot of tread on those tyres, for the kind of money he'll be looking for

A one-year deal could make this a modern Bryan Cox type signing. A talented leader that can bring the energy to the D is something we need.

 

[Rob0729]

6 feet tall - too small for Coach Bill. Also too fast. Bill the GM prefers guys like Brandon Spikes at 6'3' 260 and a 5.6 40 time....

Belichick has shown he can change with the times. The Pats used to be an exclusive 3-4, cover 2 defense. Now he tends to more fluid with whether to use a four or three man front based on his talent and has used mostly man coverage in recent years other than this past season.

So there is always a chance that Belichick sees the league going to a smaller faster defense with all these more mobile QBs who are pass happy.

Wagner isn't a prototypical Patriots LB, but Belichick did draft Cameron McGrone last year who is built far more like Wagner at 6'1" and 236 than Brandon Spikes. So we have seen that Belichick might be changing his philosophy about LBs. Even Ronnie Perkins who got the height for a prototypical Patriots LB is a bit on the lighter side.

 

[Guts]

Ask the saints .. the talent drain there because of the mismanaged cap lead their coach to walk out the door after they lost their franchise QB...

There are mechanics to avoid the cap for a little while, but, eventually, it always comes back to bite you in the ass...

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A better than average cap management system here allowed us to be competitive for two decades... I get that people are still butthurt about the cap being used as an excuse to let Brady walk... But don't you think it's time to let that go?

Sure but if you have a window you can manipulate the cap and go all in. This has nothing to do with Brady so it's weird you bringing him up.

 

[Grogan14]

They are still a mediocre team. No one is coming just because of BB. Best to acknowledge the truth. The brain drain has been real

 

[TheRainMaker]

He will go to the team that pays him the most.

 

[203Pat]

Brady era Patriots? Bring him in. This era, even if he wanted to come here I would say no. We need to see what the young guys can do.

 

[Patsgofor4]

So I read this as sarcasm. It isn't?

It isn’t. Wrote the same sh*t yesterday in the Amari Cooper thread. Don’t be too hard on him, though. He’s not a smart man.

 

[mgcolby]

Let's face it, pats are not an attractive team for free agents/ Mediocre team at best, no marquis game changers, unproven qb, terrible coaching stafff.

Yeah just like last year coming off a bad year, no QB worth a damn and...what happened?

Money talks. Everything else about winning and all that is ******** from all but maybe 1% of the league. And those are the old guys who have already made their money but have never won.

 

[bresna]

Wagner will turn 32 in June. Even if he had a great year last year, he's going to start slowing down. If they can get him on a one year deal, grab him. But I doubt he's going to take a one year "prove it to me" deal at his age. He'll probably get someone to pony up a 3 year deal with it structured so they can cut him in year 3 without too much of a cap hit. That could be the Pats but I doubt it.

 

[crownontherocks]

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

Let's face it, pats are not an attractive team for free agents/ Mediocre team at best, no marquis game changers, unproven qb, terrible coaching stafff.

The Patriots have a superb, young quarterback and a GOAT as head coach. The defense was excellent, for awhile, last year.

What could discourage FAs are the weather, a hard playing surface, jaded fans, and a, supposedly, humorless head coach....but these are minor considerations; the Patriots are still a very desirable team to be part of. Heck, if the Patriots had Deebo and another WR, they would have been a very serious contender last season.