The Bill Belichick the Boston Media mostly ignores..

[Brewskies]

You guys are too sensitive. Nobody is crapping on Bill, just pointing out some things from the story.

Now these posts and many posters really qualify as douchebags but nobody says a thing about them:

Consider the source of this comment.

 

[venecol]

Brady cheated just like all the QBs did, except he got caught.

That's the typical riff-raff

 

[Captain Cliche]

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I think the "every ex player" bit is an exaggeration. Ty Law called him a liar. Amendola said he was an ***hole. Not an ex-player but wasn't Robert Kraft quoted as calling Belichick "the biggest f***ing ***hole of my life."

I'm sure Belichick has a lot of admirable characteristics but it's not obvious from his public persona. Obviously the majority of his exposure is through press conferences, etc. and he's not doing himself any favors in that area.

However, I'm sure his foundation does a lot of great work and provides opportunities for many who wouldn't otherwise have them.

Letter to My Younger Self | Ty Law

Your story could end here and it would be one happy-ass ending. But you’re gonna play 15 years in the league. There’s so much more to come.

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Later that day, you’ll get a call from Coach Belichick.

“We can’t do it, Ty”

“What do you mean?”

“I checked the books. We can’t make those numbers work.”

Now, I need you to listen to me close right here. See, when people get older and they’ve had time to reflect like I have, most say they have no regrets. Like, if they could go back, they wouldn’t change a damn thing, because it’s all part of their story and it made them who they are today and this and that. For the most part, I’m like that, too.

But if I could go back to that phone conversation with Coach Belichick, I would say, “Well, tell me what you can make work and let’s do the deal.”

But you won’t do that.

Instead, you’ll get pissed off. It won’t be about the money, it’ll be about the principle. The whole thing will just rub you the wrong way.

So what will you do?

You’ll call up your old DBs coach from New England, Eric Mangini. He’s moved on to become the Jets’ head coach, and he’s waiting for your call. It’s a Tuesday. You’ll drive to New York that night, take a physical on Wednesday, sign that same day and suit up for the Jets for Thursday Night Football.

A couple of years later, when your career is over, you’ll hold off for a long time on filing your retirement papers, hoping to get another call from Coach Belichick, asking you to come back and sign a one-day contract — maybe even get a few more plays in a Patriots uniform before it’s all over.

But that call will never come.

Your ego will be one of the things that makes you great. Your confidence will lead you to accomplish some incredible things in life.

But that day, on the phone with coach?

Your ego will get in the way.

Just take the deal, bro.

And go home.

 

[venecol]

Bob Kraft is furious, I don't blame him, Brady is a POS.

That's the typical riff-raff

 

[crawhammer]

You can tell Ty Law isn't looking into a career with the NFLPA.

It's apparent Belichick demands extraordinary compensation for his services. He's the highest paid at his position by a lot. Yet he wants his players to take less than their market value or go elsewhere. He's moved on from a lot of good Patriots because of it... Law, Milloy, Samuel, Seymour, Wilfork, McGinest, Chandler Jones, Mankins, Branch, Welker, Amendola, Vinatieri, TOM BRADY... I'm probably overlooking some other obvious examples. I suppose not all instances were mistakes but it reflects Belichick's mostly consistent approach of moving on from good players early because they were "too expensive" or wouldn't just "take the deal."

The "older, wiser" Law is wrong too by the way. Belichick could have made the numbers work, there's always a way, but he chose not to. And the main reason why Belichick got away with moving on from still productive players is because Brady was there to make up the difference... usually... some of their rosters were so depleted that it just wasn't going to happen... '06, '13, '19 being the most obvious seasons.

 

[Captain Cliche]

Damn, talk about an agenda...

I just quoted you words from Ty Law himself saying he made a mistake and wishes he would have taken the deal, yet somehow you spin it that Law was wrong, BB is a cheap, overpaid SOB.
How'd overpaying a "name" player in his twilight work out for Mangini? Oh yeah, he's out of the game.

Vinateri, for example, did not have a strong enough leg for the new longer kickoffs rules. Now you have to burn a roster spot for a kickoff specialist.?

There's this pesky little thing called the salary cap that has to be managed. BB has done a masterful job of it for 20+ years. This is not debatable.

Has it been perfect? Of course not. 2020 was a good example of what salary cap hell looks like. Once in 20+ years. Did you find that enjoyable?

Carry on.

 

[crawhammer]

I just quoted you words from Ty Law himself saying he made a mistake and wishes he would have taken the deal, yet somehow you spin it that Law was wrong, BB is a cheap, overpaid SOB.
How'd overpaying a "name" player in his twilight work out for Mangini? Oh yeah, he's out of the game.

I know what you did, I just think Law is full of it. No player, past or present, would take his advise and nor should they. Law was a top CB in the NFL and he deserved to be paid like one. With his age at the time his opportunities for big $ would be fleeting. He had a very good season with the Jets in '05, he led the league in INTs, made the pro bowl, etc. He picked off Manning twice in the '06 postseason. The Patriots definitely could have benefitted from having Law in '05 and '06.

Mangini wasn't the HC for NYJ in '05. Law never played for Mangini. Herm Edwards was the HC and NYJ sucked because their quarterbacks were Brooks Bollinger and a completely washed up Testaverde. Mangini wasn't successful as a HC because he never had a quarterback. His best version of a representative NFL quarterback was in '08 with Favre who led the league in picks.

Vinateri, for example, did not have a strong enough leg for the new longer kickoffs rules. Now you have to burn a roster spot for a kickoff specialist.?

Ask Bill, he spent a 4th round pick on Vinatieri's replacement who wasn't quite as reliable as Vinatieri in the postseason.

There's this pesky little thing called the salary cap that has to be managed. BB has done a masterful job of it for 20+ years. This is not debatable.

Has it been perfect? Of course not. 2020 was a good example of what salary cap hell looks like. Once in 20+ years. Did you find that enjoyable?

2020 was a good example of how much bad quarterbacking can drag you down. And if the team's in "cap hell" then I suppose that's not masterful work. How does tagging Thuney at $15 mil for the '20 season fit into this??

 

[pazrul72]

You can tell Ty Law isn't looking into a career with the NFLPA.

It's apparent Belichick demands extraordinary compensation for his services. He's the highest paid at his position by a lot. Yet he wants his players to take less than their market value or go elsewhere. He's moved on from a lot of good Patriots because of it... Law, Milloy, Samuel, Seymour, Wilfork, McGinest, Chandler Jones, Mankins, Branch, Welker, Amendola, Vinatieri, TOM BRADY... I'm probably overlooking some other obvious examples. I suppose not all instances were mistakes but it reflects Belichick's mostly consistent approach of moving on from good players early because they were "too expensive" or wouldn't just "take the deal."

The "older, wiser" Law is wrong too by the way. Belichick could have made the numbers work, there's always a way, but he chose not to. And the main reason why Belichick got away with moving on from still productive players is because Brady was there to make up the difference... usually... some of their rosters were so depleted that it just wasn't going to happen... '06, '13, '19 being the most obvious seasons.

I would assume you are aware there is this thing called the salary cap which applies to players, however coaches can be paid what they are worth due to not counting against said salary cap? You are comparing apples and monkeys acting like they are the same cuz the monkeys eat fruit. At first I gave you the benefit of the doubt that maybe you were willing to listen and learn from people who know what they are talking about, but the more posts I see the clearer it becomes you are Felger jr and just like making people angry.

 

[crawhammer]

I would assume you are aware there is this thing called the salary cap which applies to players, however coaches can be paid what they are worth due to not counting against said salary cap? You are comparing apples and monkeys acting like they are the same cuz the monkeys eat fruit. At first I gave you the benefit of the doubt that maybe you were willing to listen and learn from people who know what they are talking about, but the more posts I see the clearer it becomes you are Felger jr and just like making people angry.

Are you angry??

Of course I understand the NFL isn't the wild west. There are parameters for everything. You fit a certain number of players into it at a certain $ number but the specific configuration of players and $ within the cap is up to the team. Belichick was only willing to fit Law into the team's cap at a certain $ value and Law felt he was worth more. Belichick could have chosen to put less $ elsewhere to bring in Law at a $ amount Law was satisfied with but he chose otherwise. I think Law was smart to move on given what he thought was an unrepresentative offer. He still had 2-3 decent seasons left, which he proved, and I think the Patriots could have used him in '05 and '06.

The other part, I'm not talking about apples to apples. I know Belichick doesn't count toward the cap. I'm talking about there being a fundamental difference between an expectation of being indisputably at the top of one pay scale (for yourself) while expecting others (players) to take less than their fair value for the good of the sum. That Belichick technically doesn't count toward the sum isn't the point.

Ultimately you can just look at the results, meaning the championships, and say, well see it all worked. I suppose if you're going to be that blunt about it then you could justify everything that happened for nearly the last 20 years and you're left with not a whole lot to discuss.

 

[Captain Cliche]

I know what you did, I just think Law is full of it. No player, past or present, would take his advise and nor should they. Law was a top CB in the NFL and he deserved to be paid like one. With his age at the time his opportunities for big $ would be fleeting. He had a very good season with the Jets in '05, he led the league in INTs, made the pro bowl, etc. He picked off Manning twice in the '06 postseason. The Patriots definitely could have benefitted from having Law in '05 and '06.

Mangini wasn't the HC for NYJ in '05. Law never played for Mangini. Herm Edwards was the HC and NYJ sucked because their quarterbacks were Brooks Bollinger and a completely washed up Testaverde. Mangini wasn't successful as a HC because he never had a quarterback. His best version of a representative NFL quarterback was in '08 with Favre who led the league in picks.


Ask Bill, he spent a 4th round pick on Vinatieri's replacement who wasn't quite as reliable as Vinatieri in the postseason.


2020 was a good example of how much bad quarterbacking can drag you down. And if the team's in "cap hell" then I suppose that's not masterful work. How does tagging Thuney at $15 mil for the '20 season fit into this??

Me thinks someone needs grief counselling.
Tommy's been gone for 2 years and is now retired.

It seems we've heard this discussion before a few times already in one form or another.

Like it or not Bill is still the head coach/GM and Tommy doesn't live here anymore.
I'm out.

 

[pazrul72]

Are you angry??

Of course I understand the NFL isn't the wild west. There are parameters for everything. You fit a certain number of players into it at a certain $ number but the specific configuration of players and $ within the cap is up to the team. Belichick was only willing to fit Law into the team's cap at a certain $ value and Law felt he was worth more. Belichick could have chosen to put less $ elsewhere to bring in Law at a $ amount Law was satisfied with but he chose otherwise. I think Law was smart to move on given what he thought was an unrepresentative offer. He still had 2-3 decent seasons left, which he proved, and I think the Patriots could have used him in '05 and '06.

The other part, I'm not talking about apples to apples. I know Belichick doesn't count toward the cap. I'm talking about there being a fundamental difference between an expectation of being indisputably at the top of one pay scale (for yourself) while expecting others (players) to take less than their fair value for the good of the sum. That Belichick technically doesn't count toward the sum isn't the point.

Ultimately you can just look at the results, meaning the championships, and say, well see it all worked. I suppose if you're going to be that blunt about it then you could justify everything that happened for nearly the last 20 years and you're left with not a whole lot to discuss.

I would be if I thought you were genuine in your thoughts because the amount of times you willful ignore facts is kinda appalling. Like Law himself saying i wish I had taken the deal. You are literally saying your opinion is more correct then the player himself stating I was wrong and let ego get in the way. If the choice was between Seymour and Law where would you have put the money? Keep in mind they just won a SB where Law was injured all year and still in an era where WRs weren’t putting up 1,000 yard seasons like candy. Of course in an uncapped world, like paying your coaching staff, he would have paid both. You can’t seriously argue a fundamental difference of expectations when there is a fundamental difference in rules. I guarantee you if all it took to make a super team was spending Krafts money Belichick would be all over it. When judging coaches championships are a good place to start but I look at other things as well. Variety in game plans, consistent performance of players, clock management, in game adjustments, and in BBs case as the GM team building. Bill makes the most because he is the best by a lot. Any arguement otherwise is just ignorant drivel.

 

[DaBruinz]

His “Foundation “ disbursed 2% of his annual salary which he gets to 100% write off his taxes. Or, more likely he contributed much less and used his celebrity to shake down others to contribute. Then, he leaks his “generosity” to the media. Color me not impressed. Maybe, this fraud is actually starting to feel some heat and thinks he needs a little PR though.

So, you're slamming BB because he gives 2% of his salary to his charity/. NONE of which goes to family members in terms of compensation.

You've become a friggin troll.

 

[DaBruinz]

The typical celebrity "foundation" employs relatives/posse at exorbitant salaries.
Agents implore their clients to establish foundations so that outside donors essentially pay their relatives'/posse's salaries so the celebrity doesn't go broke funding every hanger-on with their own money.
Brady learned this trick early on and his sisters were set up for a nice ride.
The Clintons mastered it

If you're going to smear someone, shouldn't you have your facts straight?

NONE of Belichick's family or the employees of the foundation have taken a DIME in terms of compensation since the foundation was started. Not Amanda. Not Brian. Not Linda. Look at the damn tax records which are freely available to look at.

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You and the other asshats need to check yourselves because your gripes are terribly misinformed in this case. All that you've done is shown you don't know a damn thing about Belichick despite him being here for 22 years..

 

[kennyb]

Guy makes 25mm per year. The aforementioned amount is pocket change to him. He also drafted harry in the 1st and no one mentions that either. Don't feel sorry for belichick. Another harry pick and he'll be known as beli-bum. Belibust, that's what harry is.

 

[1960Pats]

I would assume you are aware there is this thing called the salary cap which applies to players, however coaches can be paid what they are worth due to not counting against said salary cap? You are comparing apples and monkeys acting like they are the same cuz the monkeys eat fruit. At first I gave you the benefit of the doubt that maybe you were willing to listen and learn from people who know what they are talking about, but the more posts I see the clearer it becomes you are Felger jr and just like making people angry.

Isn't it possible that Kraft also gives Belichick a cap on his spending?

And to take it a step further there was an article around here a while back claiming that Kraft gives Belichick a total amount to spend that includes the players' cap.

 

[venecol]

It's unfair to criticize Bill's salary now that we know he hands out "green balls" to his coaching staff when they do good. I wonder how many green balls Little Steven received vs what Mayo got.

 

[pazrul72]

Isn't it possible that Kraft also gives Belichick a cap on his spending?

And to take it a step further there was an article around here a while back claiming that Kraft gives Belichick a total amount to spend that includes the players' cap.

Certainly possible, I would even go so far as to say likely as at the end of the day Kraft is a business man who cares about 1 thing $$$. He also realizes the best way to make money is to have a winner. One thing I think gets overlooked is comparing BB salary to other coaches. Where he clearly is the best and deserves to be compensated as such. He is also the GM where he is probably top 5, definitely top 10, and again should be compensated as such, so when its said he makes double what other top coaches make that’s because he is doing two jobs at a very high level. It still has nothing to do with what he can pay players. If Kraft wanted to he could pay his staff 500 million dollars and not a dollar more would go to the players so arguing that BB values himself more then he values players based on money is unreasonable and total BS. The rules are not the same.

 

[Captain Cliche]

Doesn't bill usually have the smallest coaching staff in the NFL?

 

[Pape]

It's unfair to criticize Bill's salary now that we know he hands out "green balls" to his coaching staff when they do good. I wonder how many green balls Little Steven received vs what Mayo got.

you shouldn't concern yourself with someone elses money, period. its gauche.

 

[venecol]

you shouldn't concern yourself with someone elses money, period. its gauche.

Not concerned whatsoever, just enthralled with the green balls he hands out to his coaches.