OT: Stafford a Hall of Famer?

[NFL Mystique]

He will get in imo. SB win and passing yardage will be enough.

Thing is, if he's in, should Matt Ryan be in too? Ryan has the MVP.

Thoughts?

Whether he should be in is a different question.

 

[pazrul72]

My criteria for HOF is simple when you say the name what is your immediate gut reaction?

No.

 

[Family]

My criteria for HOF is simple when you say the name what is your immediate gut reaction?

No.

What's your gut reaction to Eli Manning who certainly will be in the Hall?

The standard for QB's is ridiculous.

 

[Sicilian]

Not that winning a Super Bowl has to be a criteria for HoF QBs necessarily (Marino deserves to be in), but I feel like if you're a QB, and you won 1 Super Bowl, and DIDN'T get SB MVP in a league that almost defaults to giving it to the QB unless something else really stands out, you probably shouldn't get in. I also wonder, by the time Stafford retires and then the five year waiting period is up, how impressive will his yard totals actually look? Give some of these QBs 5 years with 17 (or 18) game regular seasons and Stafford might not even be that high up the yards list by the time he's eligible.

 

[jah]

In a pre-Brady world, he would have been first ballot. The bar is higher now.

 

[Pape]

Knee jerk reaction to him getting a title. He is not a Hall of Fame caliber player.

Matt Ryan > Matthew Stafford.

Ryan might be a borderline candidate, Matthew Stafford is not. Whats he done that would warrant inclusion?

Has there really been a time when someone, anyone, has said Matthew Stafford is a great quarterback, who has lifted the play of others around him, really lead his team to sustained success?

 

[Rob0729]

Stafford would have to win at least one more Super Bowl to even be considered. His numbers aren’t that good and one Super Bowl win isn’t enough. The Hall are supposed to be for the elite, not the really good.

 

[Steve102]

Knee jerk reaction to him getting a title. He is not a Hall of Fame caliber player.

Matt Ryan > Matthew Stafford.

Ryan might be a borderline candidate, Matthew Stafford is not. Whats he done that would warrant inclusion?

Has there really been a time when someone, anyone, has said Matthew Stafford is a great quarterback, who has lifted the play of others around him, really lead his team to sustained success?

This is all accurate.

 

[sb1]

If one SB win with a loaded defensive team was the criteria for induction into the HOF then Trent Dilfer should get in and he never will.

Stafford was never considered the best QB in the league at any time in his career, only has one pro bowl selection, he's played on sub .500 teams for most of his career, has a career 7.3 YPA which isn't all that given his reputation as a big armed downfield passer, led the league in completions once and attempts twice, never in TD, yards or any other stats that matter, only threw less than double digits INTs in a season twice and both seasons he didn't start anything close to a full season. In fact he actually led the league in INTs this year.

No he is not a hall of fame caliber player and yesterday didn't change that.

 

[Guts]

If one SB win with a loaded defensive team was the criteria for induction into the HOF then Trent Dilfer should get in and he never will.

Stafford was never considered the best QB in the league at any time in his career, only has one pro bowl selection, he's played on sub .500 teams for most of his career, has a career 7.3 YPA which isn't all that given his reputation as a big armed downfield passer, led the league in completions once and attempts twice, never in TD, yards or any other stats that matter, only threw less than double digits INTs in a season twice and both seasons he didn't start anything close to a full season. In fact he actually led the league in INTs this year.

No he is not a hall of fame caliber player and yesterday didn't change that.

If he has a MVP year next season I think he gets in. His stats are mainly volume , but this year he has his chip and next year with another year under the system he can be even better. We shall see

 

[Nehalem]

Career record
86-95-1

Not a HOF QB

And that includes playing 1/2 his career with perhaps the 3rd best WR in NFL history.

 

[PatsWSB47]

Show me again. Then yes

 

[Sicilian]

Career record
86-95-1

Not a HOF QB

And that includes playing 1/2 his career with perhaps the 3rd best WR in NFL history.

To be fair, he also played for the organization that "inspired" that WR to retire early.

 

[farn]

No. If anything, he tried his very best to blow games all along the way….

I am listening to NFLN brag him up now. It’s embarrassing.

He has an all star arm, but c’m’on. This is insane. Brad Johnson also has a ring. As do Dilfer and Hostetler…

 

[upstater1]

The inflated yardage of garbage ball era will probably get half of the current QBs into the HOF.

It's really impossible to make these decisions now and to compare BUT I am going to say that the current generation is going to have the easiest time getting in as throwing for a lot of yards gets normalized. Stafford is on the front of that curve. In a decade or so, it will be a lot more difficult to get in as QBs will all average 4 to 4.5k a season.

 

[sean10mm]

Right now, no. If he has a long career with some more strong seasons, maybe. But this is the least historically significant Super Bowl I can remember. His team has no fans and the Bengals never mattered.

Now, had he won his ring with the LIONS, that would have been a different story. Getting a ring for the eternal losers of the league would give it a lot more cachet. But he went to a team loaded with big names on a super bowl or bust season.

This isn't like Eli, because he beat the reigning NFL dynasty twice. He's going to be a "story" admission, his overall career is incidental to winning those two mega-hype Super Bowl games against the greatest franchise in league history. He's Double Joe Namath, basically.

As a Pats fan I have no problem with that, because it's a reflection of how the Patriots dominated the NFL landscape for an entire generation. If Eli beat the Chargers or Titans or something he'd just be another Jim Plunkett.

 

[SouthernPatriot]

I say ask yourself the question, if Stafford stayed with the Lions would he has won a SB? No, of course not. Would his play with Lions have made him a HOF QB? I don't think so. We all know the Rams team this year was bought to win the SB this year, what happens moving forward will be the question. Can he win with a team not loaded to win the SB?

Ask yourself the same about Ryan. If he stays with the Falcons, will he win a SB? No, very doubtful. Does his play with the Falcons make him a HOF QB? I think it does. He certainly has the stats and was a MVP.

 

[Efstratios]

Right now, no. If he has a long career with some more strong seasons, maybe. But this is the least historically significant Super Bowl I can remember. His team has no fans and the Bengals never mattered.

Now, had he won his ring with the LIONS, that would have been a different story. Getting a ring for the eternal losers of the league would give it a lot more cachet. But he went to a team loaded with big names on a super bowl or bust season.

This isn't like Eli, because he beat the reigning NFL dynasty twice. He's going to be a "story" admission, his overall career is incidental to winning those two mega-hype Super Bowl games against the greatest franchise in league history. He's Double Joe Namath, basically.

As a Pats fan I have no problem with that, because it's a reflection of how the Patriots dominated the NFL landscape for an entire generation. If Eli beat the Chargers or Titans or something he'd just be another Jim Plunkett.

Totally agreed, and I'll also add that Stafford's path to the SB is generally just....unimpressive. I mean, it sickens me how Eli basically gets credited for those 2 SB wins when that D really carried the Giants in both 07 and 11, but one could at least credit him with doing just enough to win on the road against teams that were more talented on paper (the Cowboys, that Packers team in Favre's final year with the organization, the 15-1 Packers led by the reigning MVP, and a Niners team that made it to the SB the very next season). Stafford on the other hand? Well, with an absolutely stacked roster he....

-Had a solid game against a Cardinals team that completely combusted at the end of the regular season.

-Nearly choked away a 24 pt. lead against a depleted Bucs roster (all credit to the GOAT for putting Tampa in a position to win but Stafford himself had more than one chance to put the game out of reach yet couldn't until the very end).

-Won at home against a 49ers team led by a QB who played a less than a satisfactory game.

-Beat a Bengals team done in by inept play-calling and poor O-line play (the hubbub about the role of the refs notwithstanding)

I'm not anything close to an NFL historian but when was the last time a QB's SB-winning campaign felt so... meh?

 

[jdlboot14]

I think QB HoF standards need to start rising, adjusting for the modern passing game and extended season.
Eli, Ryan, Stafford - are all on the cusp, but truthfully are not worthy of HoF IMO. At least not yet, not first ballot. Eli is in the Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson category. He was consistently average, but struck lightning twice with crazy SB runs (while the others had only 1 SB). But, neither is a generational QB. Passing stats are rising, so just because you hit 40 or 50k yards and ~300 TDs doesn't mean you're HoF material. What about Flacco and Rivers? Flacco won a SB, Rivers didn't - but his career is certainly worth consideration. But what does it take?
Kurt Warner got in with numbers in line with QBs from the 60s-70s HoFers, and a 1-2 record in SB. So, shouldn't Flacco be a shoe-in then?
There's certainly media favoritism.

 

[0818NePa]

Seriously ???