NFL News Semi OT: Flores suing NFL and NYG. Texts from Bill involved in the suit.

[archstanton543]

He's going to prop up some photogenic middle schooler to lob him slow pitch softball questions that allow him to control the narrative. He sucks. 100% won't be watching him and his BS he shovels.

He can't comment on an ongoing legal case anyway.

 

[patsfan13]

Statistics support his statement and that is a whole different topic.

It directly affects the topic as the entry level participation affects the pool of talent you can draw on for entry level NFL coaches.

 

[SteveKiner]

I understand that but, I'm sorry, Painter never played in the NFL again. Orlovsky came in and won 2 games.

I really think Painter was the Nathan Peterman of his era. Should never have been in the league. Orlovsky had a long career as a backup and probably deserved that role. He could win you a game in a pinch. Painter was the 2nd or 3rd worst QB I've ever seen after Peterman or Scott Secules.

I see you Ryan Lindley.

 

[50-yard-line]

When I heard Flores was out in Miami, I figured that might be the best thing for the Patriots - because that guy knows how to coach and we play them twice a year.

Now, the chatter is that he's done in the NFL, and that'd be a shame. I'd want him back with the Pats are DC in a heartbeat, and hell, as Bill's successor when the GOAT decides it's time to go..

 

[Huckleberry1]

To be clear, the owner of the Dolphins offered to compensate the Head Coach to throw games.

My knee-jerk reaction is Ross needs to be suspended for a year, fined $1m and forfeit multiple draft picks.

Over the top reaction is he needs to sell the team.

Ross should be made to sell the team, rigging games is the cardinal sin and any player or coach who did it would be banned for life.

 

[RobertWeathers]

It directly affects the topic as the entry level participation affects the pool of talent you can draw on for entry level NFL coaches.

I agree 100%. Just saying the whole young Black men having children in their teens topic is a BIG topic and different than Flo's specific beef.

 

[Sciz]

I wonder if there is a single black NFL coach, black assistant coach, black executive, etc who was hired by an NFL organization thanks in large part to nepotism. The White vs Black tally has to be something like 125-2

The Pats alone have two examples. Deron Mayo (Jerod's brother) was hired as assistant S&C coach as soon as his CFL career was over, and Camren Williams (son of Brent, 1986-1993 Pats DE) got a scouting job right out of college and is now a national scout.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Ross should be made to sell the team, rigging games is the cardinal sin and any player or coach who did it would be banned for life.

If proven, the NFL has no choice.

Additionally the man's investment arm contributed to financing a sports gambling analytics firm.

Hell, the Krafts have investments in several sports gambling ops and enablement including DraftKings.

This one was from last week.

Social Sports Betting App Wagr Raises $12 Million, Investors Include Patriots, 76ers Owners

Wagr, a sports betting app with social chat features, launched publicly amid completion of a $12 million Series A.

sporttechie.com

It's a very, very, very fine line they are walking....and Ross just did.

Goodell has his hands full with this one.

 

[sb1]

Other than playing a crap roster I wonder how exactly would a team throw a football game? They couldn't make it obvious. Though having a Wrong Way Reigels play or two would be entertaining lol.

And players would get hurt if they were just goofing around.

 

[Ring 6]

Statistics support his statement and that is a whole different topic.

It’s actually the same topic because the crux of the lawsuit is that 70% if the plantation workers are black and that is the number they believe black representation in coaching and front office should be compared to in order to determine racial discrimination.

Edit: I see you already responded to the same point from a different post

 

[RobertWeathers]

It’s actually the same topic because the crux of the lawsuit is that 70% if the plantation workers are black and that is the number they believe black representation in coaching and front office should be compared to in order to determine racial discrimination.

The topic I was referring to which the poster brought up was teenage/young Black men who are fathers having a financial obligation to support the children which was impeding their ability to enter the coaching ranks as graduate students or for low wage jobs.

The argument about demographics/proportionate representation in the workforce/high-paying jobs/management is no one I am getting into here.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Other than playing a crap roster I wonder how exactly would a team throw a football game? They couldn't make it obvious. Though having a Wrong Way Reigels play or two would be entertaining lol.

And players would get hurt if they were just goofing around.

I guess you could run the ball 46 times during a game including running on 3rd and 10 95% of the time.

 

[venecol]

THIS is the key to giving a true gauge of racism in the hiring/promotion process.

We are constantly being told that the League is 70% black and every time I hear it, I roll my eyes because anyone with half a brain knows that is a completely meaningless statistic. The true measure we should be looking at is the racial breakdown of people who attempt to enter the coaching ranks. That stat would be extremely tough to measure because it would be extremely tough to define, but would provide us with more information that the racial breakdown of players.

The head coaches in the modern day NFL is not exactly a group of men who all had tremendous success as players. There is an awful lot of never-played in the NFL, or barely made the team types. There is just no established correlation between success as a player and desire to be a coach.

In the NFL, position coaches are typically promoted to coordinators, then coordinators to head coaches. The study showed that white coaches in the NFL are 50 percent more likely than minorities to be promoted to any position. The researchers examined the careers of more than 1,200 men who were NFL coaches from 1985 to 2012. The racial gap persisted when they accounted for a coach’s starting and current positions, education, team performance, experience, and other factors.

“If we were just to take all coordinators, we would see that there was no racial advantage or disadvantage in promotion rates from coordinator to head coach,” said Rider, an organizational theorist.

But there was a dramatic difference between whites and blacks making the move from position coach to coordinator. Whites had a 114 percent greater chance of being promoted from position coach to coordinator, and 70 percent of head coaches are promoted from the coordinator position. Only 16 percent make the leap from position coach to head coach. Furthermore, it takes nine years for a white coach to have a greater than 50 percent probability of being promoted to coordinator; it takes a minority coach 14 years to reach that same probability.

The Uneven Playing Field - McDonough School of Business

Research reveals what may be blocking diversity in NFL coaching. By Melanie Padgett Powers Photo by Gary Landsman The National Football League has measures in place to increase the chance that minorities will be hired as head coaches. But in assessing all levels of coaching jobs, a Georgetown...

msb.georgetown.edu

 

[Ring 6]

THIS is the key to giving a true gauge of racism in the hiring/promotion process.

We are constantly being told that the League is 70% black and every time I hear it, I roll my eyes because anyone with half a brain knows that is a completely meaningless statistic. The true measure we should be looking at is the racial breakdown of people who attempt to enter the coaching ranks. That stat would be extremely tough to measure because it would be extremely tough to define, but would provide us with more information that the racial breakdown of players.

The head coaches in the modern day NFL is not exactly a group of men who all had tremendous success as players. There is an awful lot of never-played in the NFL, or barely made the team types. There is just no established correlation between success as a player and desire to be a coach.

The average black representation across all of the job titles they listed in the complaint is higher than the % of the population that is black.

 

[venecol]

There is no issue with the hiring of minority coaches in the NFL because:

1. There's no such thing as racism (at least not by whites);
2. If you compare the % of black coaches in the NFL to the % of blacks in China, they're over represented;
3. Blacks don't want to be coaches really. They can't afford it (too many mouths to feed);
4. It doesn't matter how many actual studies have shown the disadvantages that minorities face in the NFL hiring process since I don't believe them;
5. The fact there's only 1 black HC in the NFL is too many since Tomlin is overrated.
6. Flores is a disgruntled, lousy coach. He never made the playoffs like all his white counterparts have (kinda). Why would a rich (white) guy like Ross lie? Flores (black/hispanic) came from a poor background in Brookline, he's got more reasons to lie. The Dolphins are a great, outstanding organization. Goodell (white) is a pilar of the sports world.

 

[Kontradiction]

Upon seeing the text from Bill, Flores actually went to confront the Mara family at the Sunday service they were attending. Rare footage below…

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

how? he's an IDIOT and a pathological liar. His entire family of powerful lawyers and extremely successful entrepreneurs refuse to even have a perfunctory relationship with the ginger goon. He's claimed in print he graduated Summa Cum Laude from Washingto & Jefferson at the top of his class. I accessed his record back in 2009, after he claimed on the Roy Firestone Show that he was a lawyer, and found he was a C Minus student over his four years, taking nothing more than generic business courses in a program designed for the idiot offspring of wealthy families to matriculate "successfully".

I documented decades of his pathological lying right here at Patsfans. It's archived somewhere here. Look, the Billionaire Boys Club of 32 needed a catspaw to insure their golden goose continued to lay ever larger golden eggs...in this respect he has been a HUGE success. In the PR world he's a complete POS moron. He's the idiot willing to take all the arrows of hypocrisy and greed flung at the "Shield". EVERY owner is extremely satisfied with the ginger Goon being the faceplate of the league.The PERFECT MORON.

Not disagreeing, my point was that maybe, with a law background, he would have "grown up", or showed some intelligence or viewed things differently. Maybe a naive hope but we'll never know and we're stuck with personification of the Peter Principle.....

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I'm seriously bummed that I'll never see TFB play one more year but the schadenfreude I'm enjoying seeing Flores lay waste to the NYJFL hierarchy is soothing my pain. Again, I just hope he has good backup for the "$100K/game lost" allegation and the secret meeting with the QB on the owner's yacht.
If sports "journalists" were worthy of the designation, they'd be all over owners, coaches & NYJFL management during the 2 week SB hiatus 24/7.

 

[Jim Beankie]

THIS is the key to giving a true gauge of racism in the hiring/promotion process.

We are constantly being told that the League is 70% black and every time I hear it, I roll my eyes because anyone with half a brain knows that is a completely meaningless statistic. The true measure we should be looking at is the racial breakdown of people who attempt to enter the coaching ranks. That stat would be extremely tough to measure because it would be extremely tough to define, but would provide us with more information that the racial breakdown of players.

The head coaches in the modern day NFL is not exactly a group of men who all had tremendous success as players. There is an awful lot of never-played in the NFL, or barely made the team types. There is just no established correlation between success as a player and desire to be a coach.

I always wondered why Troy Brown came back to coach. For the longest time, he had a cushy analyst gig and got into business which made sense because of his kids, but now that 2 (of 3) of them are past high school age, I guess it allowed him to come back to put in the time - but why? I mean I'm glad he's back, but I'd understand that once one's done making a poop load of money destroying one's body and mind in a way, most would just want to get the heck out.

Here're the current list of former players who are HCs, and 2 of them one could barely call a former player. Others go through this gauntlet of moving up the "corporate" ladder for 15+ years (and a fast track would be 9-10 years like McDaniel [sic] and McVey [sic]).
Kingsbury
ZTaylor
Dan Campbell
Frank Reich
Vrabel
Rivera

3% of HCs are black and 1% of fortune 500 CEOs are black. Cue Hornsby/Tupac. Not that I think that the NFL needs its own "Year Up" program. Having 11% of FBS HCs is a good sign. Like others have said, this is going to take time. It's glacial.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

I see you Ryan Lindley.

and raise you Ryan Leaf and Akili Smith... with a David Klingler in reserve,,,,,