NFL News Tom Brady Retires (Update: Shouts out to Pats players, coaches on social media)

[Wax Frog]

Grow the F up Mfers.

 

[lancerman]

You're delusional. Pats fans everywhere are annoyed at what Brady did. Maybe not a majority, but a large number of them are. The only people who don't seem to care are the Tommyites.

Wow a whopping 7% more Pats fans are upset

 

[Kontradiction]

Clark had a couple good seasons, mainly because Montana had no one else to throw to. No one is going to confuse Clark and Freddie Solomon as "great" weaponry.

Clark had a couple of good seasons because he had a good QB and was a good, not great, WR. Similar to Brown. He was a Pro Bowler twice and an All-Pro once. Your argument that Montana won when he had nobody to throw to dies right there. The greats can get it done with the Troy Browns and the Dwight Clark’s of the world. They score over 30 points per game in the playoffs when they have a great supporting cast.

And I certainly wouldn't consider the receiving corps Brady had from 2001-2004 to be great. Brady would not win today with that same cast of receivers.

So what’s your explanation for 2018? 41 point and 37 point outputs against the Chargers and Chiefs in the playoffs?

 

[Kontradiction]

Not a great analogy. He was the starter in San Diego for 4 years and 15 years in New Orleans. Everyone will remember Brees as a Saint.

The analogy is fine. The Chargers drafted him and he played for them. They then gave up on him, didn’t sign him, and let him hit FA before he finished his career with the Saints. He didn’t thank the Chargers either. Let’s not pretend what Brady did yesterday is out of left field.

Did you really just post this?

It is very hard to believe that you posted this.

Sure did. Are you going to posture or debate the point?

 

[upstater1]

This can be true, and so can the concept that the Patriots didn’t allow Brady the opportunity to retire with them on his terms and therefore he rewarded the team that did in his initial retirement when they gave them what the Patriots wouldn’t.


Yeah it seemingly worked out for everyone. More so for Brady who got a ring. Hopefully for us, Mac takes the next steps and we become contenders in short order. But it doesn’t change the initial disagreement and that the Patriots valued keeping their cap clean and being able to move on over the Brady send off.

There are a lot of franchises that will look long term and say “short term we can get started on the next era but long term losing a year or two won’t be much to pay in the big picture if we give Brady and the fans here the big sentimental retirement they will remember”. The Lakers did it with Kobe and their stature in the NBA as a franchise is not that different from the Patriots. Not a single Lakers fan is looking back now with regret on having to suffer 3 bad seasons. The Giants are in a world of hell now, but it meant a lot to that fan base to see Eli retire there. And 10 years down the road that will be important. If Mac wins us titles, then we are the 49’ers where we except our Montana needing to leave to sustain greatness. But right now we feel like the Colts who have to be reminded that Manning wore an orange jersey and his big send off was somewhere else and there are still sore feeling on both ends over it.

In life, choices have consequences. The Patriots 2 years ago not giving Brady the treatment to go out in this franchise on his own terms and instead not trusting him and wanting to keep a finger on the eject button came with a consequence this week. This wasn’t unpredictable either. I said as much 2 years ago.

I understand Brady was hurt by it.

I never argued otherwise.

I don't even think he owes it to everyone.

I posted that it makes Brady look petty and actually a little dimwitted. But then again, those are 2 character traits which are not off character at all.

If he couldn't prevent himself from feeling miffed, someone should have probably stepped in and said, being petty is only going to detract from your retirement because all anyone is talking about on social media is your slight of the Patriots.

Just think it's dumb stuff from Brady, especially being the GOAT, you just wipe that stuff away and bask in your glory.

 

[Kontradiction]

ya, it did happen lol. i don't need to make things up to try and win some message board battle. You already crushed me. I'm continuing the conversation because it's a message board, and my nose is now free from snot. And god please don't insult me. I just don't think i can take that lol.

I’m not going to insult you since you made it clear that you didn’t intend that part as an insult. Let’s try to stay on topic if we aren’t going to get the post where I supposedly threatened to fight you, either under your current handle or the banned one.

If you truly don’t care, then why continue the conversation? There’s other topics you can dive into. If you DO care, and it’s obvious to anyone with eyes that you do, why? Do you think that Brady is not going to thank the Pats during his HoF ceremony?

 

[Bill Lee]

All of this is true. The passions of a sports fan, however, are a different animal altogether and shouldn't be expected to align with "real life."

There's different levels of passionate sports fan.

I'd say I fall into the category of mildly passionate sports fan.

Bill does game management, I do passion management.

I don't waste too much of my emotional bandwidth on whether or not a retiring athlete perhaps slighted my favorite team.

I choose to look at the big picture of twenty years of GOAT level play rather than one Instagram post.

I definitely stay away from sports talk radio and use the ignore list to make this place not suck as much as the unfiltered version does.

 

[upstater1]

The analogy is fine. The Chargers drafted him and he played for them. They then gave up on him, didn’t sign him, and let him hit FA before he finished his career with the Saints. He didn’t thank the Chargers either. Let’s not pretend what Brady did yesterday is out of left field.



Sure did. Are you going to posture or debate the point?

Yep, the Chargers getting rid of Brees immediately 20 years ago is the same as Brady playing for the Patriots for 20 years and winning 6 Super Bowls. The same.

 

[Kontradiction]

Clobbered? Haha. Too funny. That is how you live - clobbering people.

I live not getting upset at superstar athletes that played for my favorite teams when the balance on the ledger is this…

Pros:
1. Won six Super Bowls here.
2. Played here for two decades.
3. Helped establish the culture for which the organization is known.
4. Refused to take record-setting deals to help the GM field competitive teams, resulting in point #1.
5. Wanted to retire here.
6. Thanked the team and dA fAnZ already when the team no longer wanted him.
7. Will be remembered as both a Patriot and the GOAT.

Cons:
1. Didn’t thank the team and dA fAnZ yesterday.

I understand why you’re upset, and you and everyone else can try to attack me if you want to vent that frustration all you want, but a little perspective might help here. Attitudes like what we see in this thread are why Northeastern US sports fans are commonly regarded as both the most fair weather and the most miserable.

Now, with that said, if Brady isn’t thanking the organization (I couldn’t care less if he thanks the fans ever) in four years, I’ll be on your side.

 

[Kontradiction]

Yep, the Chargers getting rid of Brees immediately 20 years ago is the same as Brady playing for the Patriots for 20 years and winning 6 Super Bowls. The same.

Time is irrelevant. The circumstances are similar. The teams both drafted each QB and gave up on them. Neither thanked their previous team. For the record, you brought up Brees in the first place. I was just using him as an example.

If you wanted Brady to ride off into retirement as a Patriot and thank the team now instead of two years ago, perhaps the team should have used the multiple opportunities it had to sign him until age 45 in order to make that happen. They didn’t. Your ire should be pointed at the guy responsible.

 

[upstater1]

The circumstances are similar.

No, they are not. They couldn't be any more different for 2 players who each played for 2 teams.

 

[jal]

As someone who has been a big Brady supporter post-Pats, I also agree it was a dumb move on Brady's part not to mention the Pats (especially his former teammates and the fans). Someone on his team should've pushed him to take the high road, which he has consistently done since leaving the Pats up until this point. I'd be lying if I said it wasn't annoying to me. But at the same time, it's such a small thing that I'm not changing how I feel about him in any material way - I'm incredibly grateful to have to seen his career and will be an advocate for his legacy forever.

I also still think it's likely he will have some kind of acknowledgment for the Pats organization, Bill, his former teammates, and the fans in the days to come. This is ultimately just a small PR gaffe that nobody will remember in the long run.

I'm also annoyed with Bill not putting out a statement, and his case it's added to a longer history of petty behavior. As fans, we love both of these guys and naturally just want "Mom and Dad" to get along again so we can all bask in the (shared) glory without any negative feelings or feeling like we need to separate into camps post-divorce. It's ok - I am still confident it will get sorted out in the months and years to come.

 

[captain insano]

I’m not going to insult you since you made it clear that you didn’t intend that part as an insult. Let’s try to stay on topic if we aren’t going to get the post where I supposedly threatened to fight you, either under your current handle or the banned one.

If you truly don’t care, then why continue the conversation? There’s other topics you can dive into. If you DO care, and it’s obvious to anyone with eyes that you do, why? Do you think that Brady is not going to thank the Pats during his HoF ceremony?

if you want to see the post. Type something different in like meet up. I already explained why I'm continuing the conversation. No matter what i say. You won't accept it. It's ok if you want to insult me. i know you want to. It's your thing. It makes you feel better about yourself.

 

[captain insano]

I live not getting upset at superstar athletes that played for my favorite teams when the balance on the ledger is this…

Pros:
1. Won six Super Bowls here.
2. Played here for two decades.
3. Helped establish the culture for which the organization is known.
4. Refused to take record-setting deals to help the GM field competitive teams, resulting in point #1.
5. Wanted to retire here.
6. Thanked the team and dA fAnZ already when the team no longer wanted him.
7. Will be remembered as both a Patriot and the GOAT.

Cons:
1. Didn’t thank the team and dA fAnZ yesterday.

I understand why you’re upset, and you and everyone else can try to attack me if you want to vent that frustration all you want, but a little perspective might help here. Attitudes like what we see in this thread are why Northeastern US sports fans are commonly regarded as both the most fair weather and the most miserable.

Now, with that said, if Brady isn’t thanking the organization (I couldn’t care less if he thanks the fans ever) in four years, I’ll be on your side.

You're the one that's upset and frustrated.

 

[Kontradiction]

No, they are not. They couldn't be any more different for 2 players who each played for 2 teams.

Why? Because time? They were both given up on by their first teams and finished their careers elsewhere. So the sort of thing Brady did yesterday is not something that’s out of left field. Yes or no - do you think Brady snubs the Pats in his HOF speech?

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I live not getting upset at superstar athletes that played for my favorite teams when the balance on the ledger is this…

Pros:
1. Won six Super Bowls here.
2. Played here for two decades.
3. Helped establish the culture for which the organization is known.
4. Refused to take record-setting deals to help the GM field competitive teams, resulting in point #1.
5. Wanted to retire here.
6. Thanked the team and dA fAnZ already when the team no longer wanted him.
7. Will be remembered as both a Patriot and the GOAT.

Cons:
1. Didn’t thank the team and dA fAnZ yesterday.

I understand why you’re upset, and you and everyone else can try to attack me if you want to vent that frustration all you want, but a little perspective might help here. Attitudes like what we see in this thread are why Northeastern US sports fans are commonly regarded as both the most fair weather and the most miserable.

Now, with that said, if Brady isn’t thanking the organization (I couldn’t care less if he thanks the fans ever) in four years, I’ll be on your side.

Uncle, uncle, uncle.

 

[Kontradiction]

if you want to see the post. Type something different in like meet up.

Did it. Nothing. Didn’t happen.

I already explained why I'm continuing the conversation.

People who don’t care about a topic usually don’t continue it.

No matter what i say. You won't accept it. It's ok if you want to insult me. i know you want to. It's your thing. It makes you feel better about yourself.

I feel just fine about myself. I’m not going to insult you. Why would I do that? I like you. You made it clear you didn’t intend that as an insult so what else is there to say? You fought the good fight in Pub, PM me, etc.

You're the one that's upset and frustrated.

That’s just a projection.

 

[Kontradiction]

Uncle, uncle, uncle.

The post was not about who diddled you as a child.

 

[captain insano]

I really don’t think you want to exchange insults with me. I’ll chalk it up to you being snowed in and let that one slide.

Did it. Nothing. Didn’t happen.



People who don’t care about a topic usually don’t continue it.



I feel just fine about myself. I’m not going to insult you. Why would I do that? I like you. You made it clear you didn’t intend that as an insult so what else is there to say? You fought the good fight in Pub, PM me, etc.



That’s just a projection.

im standing down. i like you to. we agree on far more than we disagree on. carry on. desantis 2024

 

[upstater1]

Why? Because time? They were both given up on by their first teams and finished their careers elsewhere. So the sort of thing Brady did yesterday is not something that’s out of left field. Yes or no - do you think Brady snubs the Pats in his HOF speech?

Youre rehashing it again and again and again for everyone to see.

I mean, does everyone agree, the San Diego Chargers experience for Brees is the same as Brady's New England experience?

Why? or why not?