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Patriots 2nd Joint Practice, Game Observation, Updated 53-man Roster, Transactions

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Patriots 2nd Joint Practice, Game Observation, Updated 53-man Roster, TransactionsEric Canha-USA TODAY Sports

We start where we left off last week.  The 1st joint practice was extensively covered.

8/17 Joint Practice or should I say Round 2

Tuesday Practice

  1. Harris is hit out of bounds on the Panthers sideline – No retaliation by the Patriots

Next play Wilkerson is hit out of bounds.  Panthers coach shoves Wilkerson who turns and says something.  Wilkerson gets jumped by several Panthers players.  Patriots come to the aid of their teammate. Wilkerson, Bourne was thrown out.  Only Kenny Robinson of Panthers was thrown out.

Wednesday Practice

Kick-off / Return teams agree to run at ¾ speed.  Kenny Robinson decides to run it full speed and knocks Kristian Wilkerson unconscious.  He stands over the injured Wilkerson and taunts him. Patriots have words but it doesn’t escalate.  The next play is a sweep by McCaffrey towards the Patriots sideline.  Deatrich Wise tackles McCaffrey near the sideline.  McCaffrey takes exception and throws the ball at Wise which precipitates the brawl.  Wise is surrounded by 5 Panthers players and driven back into the stands where a woman spectator is hit with a helmet.  Where were Wise’s teammates?  They were trying not to escalate the situation.

I am not buying that it was an undisciplined reaction by the Patriots.  They were standing up for their teammate.  That’s a good thing.  The Panthers are garbage and their cheap-shot ways are going to make them the most penalized team in the league.

  • Jalen Mills intercepted a pass on the Panthers sideline, undercutting DJ Moore. To celebrate, he took the ball and punted it right in front of the Panthers.
  • Andrews came off the field in pain during the 2-minute drill
  • 2-Minute drill Jones to Parker for a TD
  • Bourne was thrown out of a rep yesterday by an official because of a uniform violation.  BB was not pleased and chewed out WR coach Troy Brown.  Then Bourne got thrown out of the practice because of fighting.  He is now working with the backups.
  • Marcus Jones with an Interception
  • Meyers with a pair of TDs in 7-on-7s.
  • Tom Curran praised the Panthers’ aggressiveness and felt the Patriots never matched their intensity
  • Mac Jones had a scramble up the middle for a TD
  • Jon Jones had a PBU against DJ Moore
  • Jones was 11-22 according to Gre Bedard – He had a hard time when Carolina Blitzed
  • Patriots signed TE Jordan Wydermeyer 6’4″ 257 lbs late of the Buffalo Bills.  Played at Texas A&M but ran slowly (5.02) at his Pro Day.  Didn’t run at combine.

Mid-Training Camp 53 Man Roster Projection Update (really 56-man roster)

I like the theory put forth by Greg Bedard of the 56-man roster.  Three veterans will be cut, and since they do not have to pass through waivers, will hang around Foxboro to be signed back to the roster or the Practice Squad.  The Patriots did this last year with Nick Folk and Brian Hoyer.

OFFENSE (25)

Quaterback (3) M.Jones, B.Zappe, B.Hoyer

No Change

Runningback (4) D.Harris, R.Stevenson, T.Montgomery, P.Strong

I had Kevin Harris making the team but he has really done nothing in camp.  The surprise has been Ty Montgomery and the versatility he can bring to the offense.  Montgomery has been used in the 2-minute offense.

Wide Receiver (6) J.Meyers, D.Parker, T.Thornton, T.Nixon, N.Agholor, K. Wilkerson

In the Pre-camp projection, I had Agholor being traded to save money on the camp.  In the last couple of weeks, he has been outstanding, showing quickness and the ability to make circus catches.   Tyquan Thornton has been further advanced than we were all led to believe.  We knew he had speed and a pencil-thin body.  He has shown excellent moves, an ability to beat DBs off the LOS, and the ability to adjust to passes in the air.  However, the first real hit he takes and he is now injured with a shoulder problem (collarbone).  He is looking at 8 weeks of recovery time which means he goes on short-term IR after he makes the 53-man roster.  He has jumped to the #4 WR.   Has anyone seen Kendrick Bourne?  I expect we are going to see his face on milk cartons this week!  Chances are he will be traded.  According to Phil Perry, several teams have inquired about Patriots receivers that might be cut.

Tre Nixon plays on Special Team and Bourne doesn’t.  If both players are even, the ST work is the deciding factor. Kristian Wilkerson may end up on IR because of that senseless hit by Panthers Kenny Robinson.  He has a concussion and the team doesn’t know how long he will be injured.  He might be a candidate for making the 53-man roster and cutting a veteran player (Ferentz and Cody Davis come to mind).  Then add Wilkerson to the recallable IR, and re-sign the veterans before the 1st game.  Bourne was forced out of a rep in practice this week by an official that said his uniform wasn’t up to the requirements (I think he wasn’t wearing any knee pads).  Belichick was furious over this and chewed out WR coach Troy Brown.  Then Bourne gets tossed out for fighting.  I think Belichick made an example of him by not letting him dress and holding him out of Friday’s exhibition game.  I don’t think Bourne is long for this team.

Tight End (3) H.Henry, J.Smith, L. Jordan

I have added Humphrey as a Move TE.  He had 5 catches on 6 targets for 71 yards and that great play diving to keep the punt from going into the end zone.

Center (2) D.Andrews, Russey

I have been back and forth on Russey.  For most of camp, he just hasn’t impressed.  Then he went out last week and shines in the joint practice.  His play in the game was terrific but unheralded.  Ferentz is a solid veteran backup and will be cut and brought back before the 1st game.  Surprised that Ferentz got the start at RG against Carolina.

Guard (3) M.Onwenu, A.Hambright, C.Strange

The Patriots needed a backup G and Arlington Hambright has stepped up and taken that position.  Desjarlais was my pick in the Pre-Camp report.  Hambright finished the game at Left Tackle, another plus for him.

Tackle  (4) I.Wynn, T.Brown, Y.Cajuste, J.Herron.  Herron has an injured knee and might be another candidate to be IR’ed after making the 53-man roster.  The injuries to Wynn and Herron concern me.  Luckily Owenu can play RT.

DEFENSE (25)

Edge (1) D.Wise

No Change

Defensive Tackle  (5) L.Guy, C.Barmore, C.Davis, S.Roberts, D.Godchaux

This is a different team with Davis in the middle.  He is a true space eater.  I didn’t want to keep 6 DLineman, since the team is rarely in a true 3-4 defense anymore.  The majority of the time they are in these hybrid defenses to counter the three WR/Running QB offenses.  Roberts has just played his way onto the team.  If cut he will never make it through waivers

Inside Linebacker (4) M.Wilson, R.McMillan, J.Tavai, J.Bentley

Wilson is more like one of our safeties (Peppers, Dugger, or Phillips).  Tavai is making the team because of his Special Teams contribution.  McMillan has had another good camp.  I hope he can stay healthy.  The improved speed in the LB corps is very noticeable.  I had McGrone in my projection before camp.  He has not shown up in practices.  Candidate for PS.   I saw an interesting theory this week (Mike Reiss?) about moving Bentley to the edge.

Outside Linebacker (3) M.Judon, A.Jennings, J.Uche

Jennings is one of the bigger surprises so far in camp.  Ronnie Perkins was on my pre-camp projection, but he too has been invisible.  He looks like a physical presence, but that just doesn’t translate to the field.  He has been tossed around by the O-lineman.  Don’t forget that the 3 Strong Safeties play a hybrid linebacker.  Mitchell has really come on but there is no room for him,  Hopefully he can get through waivers and make his way to the Practice Squad.

Cornerback  (6) J.Mills, M.Jones, Ja.Jones, S. Wade, M.Bryant, Jo.Jones

What a competition this has been.  The two rookie Jones boys have been more advanced than we were led to believe.  Mills has been the best DB in camp.  Jon Jones has been moved to the outside which has freed up Myles Bryant to the slot corner.  Both Bryant and Marcus Jones can Punt Return.  Bethel is outstanding on Special Teams.  I am keeping Wade over Mitchell.  The Pats gave up a 5th round pick for Wade to get Wade from Baltimore last season.  I am cutting Justin Bethel since he is basically a Special Teams only player.  The Jones boys, Humphrey, and Nixon can all vie for the gunner opposite Slater.

Strong Safety (4) K.Dugger, A.Phillips, J.Bledsoe, J.Peppers,

This is the strongest group on the team.  The Patriots will be cutting DBs that will be picked up by other teams.  Bledsoe has been a big surprise because we had not seen anything of him last year.  Bledsoe was hurt and came back to practice and showed well in that time, but was not activated.

Free Safety (2) D.McCourty, B.Schooler,

Cody Davis is a candidate to be cut and brought back.  He led the team in Special Teams tackles.  Schooler is being groomed as the next Special Teams ace and has been compared to Nate Ebner.  Davis and Slater have been spending a lot of time with him.  I had Schooler making the team in my pre-camp projection.  If he makes the team he will continue the streak of having a UDFA making the team for 19 straight years.

SPECIAL TEAMS (3)

K N.Folk P J.Bailey ST Slater

J.Cardona the long snapper will be cut and because he is a veteran does not have to clear waivers.  He isn’t going anywhere.  He will be re-signed before the 1st game.

Total players: 53

after 53 Man roster is established

Thornton to IR   Davis re-signed

Herron to IR       Ferentz re-signed

Wilkerson to IR Cardona re-signed

Note: DT Daniel Ekuale is facing a 4 game suspension.  I believe he has to make the 53-man roster before he can start serving his suspension.   I presently don’t have him making the team.

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Game Observations

The general observation is that the starting offense should have done better against Carolina backups.  Mac Jones was way off his game and with exception of the 45-yard bomb that he dropped in the bucket to Nelson Agholor he was way off target.  One pass play that was not Jone’s fault came off a pass over the middle on a delay route by Stevenson out of the backfield.  It appeared to be Stevenson’s fault for not looking back fast enough.  The offensive line was a mishmash of players.  Trent Brown was given the night off (not injury related) had Cajuste at LT, Strange LG, Andrews C, Ferentz RG, and Owenu RT.

Starting Defense looked good and held Carolina backups to 3 points.  That FG was set up by a 21-yard catch by TE Ricci with Tavai nowhere near him in coverage.  Tavai is a liability on defense and is strictly a Special Team player in my opinion.  To add injury to insult, Barmore was called (rightfully so) for roughing the QB with a completely unnecessary hit when the QB was in his way to get downfield.  That is the kind of undisciplined play that will get the team in trouble.  Later Ferentz was called for a late hit that was borderline at the end of a play.  I can live with that kind of hit, showing the Patriots are trying to play to the whistle.

The second and Third team defenses played exceptionally well.  In total, the Defense gave up only 192 yards.  They had 5 sacks, 2 INTs, and a fumble recovery.

  • Too many penalties. It’s a sign of an undisciplined team.  Second pre-season game with too many men on the field.  This one seemed to be on Tyquan Thornton, right after he got hurt.  Troy Brown got yelled at by BB.
  • Zappe played well despite the pick-six. He was 16-25 for 173 yards, INT, and was sacked once.
  • Hoyer played very little but was efficient when he was in there. He was 2-3 for 33 yards.
  • JJ Taylor led the team in rushing for 33 yards on 6 carries.
  • The defense held Carolina to 57 yards rushing and 135 yards passing. They had 5 sacks, 2 INT, 2 Fumble Recoveries
  • On the 1st Fumble recovery, Joshuah Bledsoe made a nice open field tackle on the TE who clearly had possession. Made a football move, was hit, and fumbled. The Officials immediately blew the whistle and play dead.  Belichick was fuming and threw the challenge flag.  The reason that he was so mad was the whistle.  Every turnover is automatically reviewed.  Why didn’t the official let the play run out and come back and review the play?  That action cost the Patriots 7 points because Myles Bryant scooped up the ball and was on his way to the end zone.
  • The second sack was a miscommunication between rookies Cole Strange and Kody Russey. The blitz came in the gap between Strange and the LT.  Russey had no one to block.  Strange should have identified this and switched off his man to Russey and picked up the blitz.
  • Lil’Jordan Humphrey is doing everything he can to make this team. He had 5 receptions on 6 targets for 71 yards.  However, his diving save of a punt going into the end zone was one of the highlights of the game.  Humphrey was playing the gunner on the punt team and saved a punt from going into the end zone for a touchback.  The ball was downed at the three.
  • JuWhuan Bentley played two plays on the edge. I think we will see more of this, especially on the 1st and 2nd
  • The speed of Mack Wilson is very apparent. He nearly had an interception as he undercut a crossing route.
  • Kyle Dugger made two tackles from behind, coming down the Line of Scrimmage. Later he destroyed pulling tackle Ickey Ekwonu (6th overall pick) on a sweep to his side.
  • Raekwon McMillan didn’t start but it is evident he will play a lot. He is having a great camp.
  • Jones and the 1st offense started the game slowly with back-to-back 3 and outs. Very disappointing going against the backups from Carolina.
  • Matt Patricia was clearly calling the plays
  • The Thornton injury was a bummer. He caught a pass on a comeback for a 1st down and was surrounded by 4 Carolina defenders. His forward progress had been clearly stopped.  The whistle blew and they continued and drove him to the ground with no call from the officials.
  • The pass rush was great and the Mitchell strip sack and Roberts recovery in the end zone was the icing on the cake.
  • Mitchell with the strip sack and Roberts fell on the ball in the end zone for a TD.
  • Anfernee Jennings started at OLB/Edge. He played well all game.
  • Tavai started at ILB and didn’t look good at all. He was roasted on a 31-yard drag route against Ricci a backup TE.
  • Schooler and Wade had the INTs.

Note:  Kendrick Bourne made the trip to Las Vegas.  Heat in Las Vegas could be a factor.  Tuesday through Thursday, 102 -105.  Practices are scheduled for around 11:45 EST.

Transactions: Malcolm Butler and Joejuan Williams go on IR.  Devin Hafford and Jalen Elliott were cut to get down to 83 players.


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    Michael P. McGrath
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    Hard to believe….. the DL you refer to is suspended for 2, not 4, games and does NOT count towards the 53 man roster. Great lapse and lack of professionalism for not knowing and not researching.

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