Semi-OT: Brady to Retire? (UPDATE: RETIRED)

[SHOWTIME15]

It was a mistake to let him go. Pats would have been contending for a title this year if Brady was here. BB would have also had a great shot at Shula’s record with Brady but now I’m not so sure he does. The rebuild had to happen sometime but it didn’t have to happen right away.

I just hope Mac is for real. If he is then all is well.

how can you say it was a mistake to let him go without knowing what kind of QB Mac is going to be? Your first and last sentences contradict each other. Bill has no obligation to you, @amfootball or @1960Pats who are nothing but Brady fan boys. As many have pointed out, Brady wouldn’t be the same QB in NE that he was in Tampa with all his weapons. At most he’s be a 30 TD QB here and most likely we’d be a first or second round playoff exit.

 

[Tunescribe]

Why would you want him to retire for a team you hate?

Just imagine how many heads will explode if Brady picks BB to introduce him at the Hall of Fame induction.

 

[sb1]

how can you say it was a mistake to let him go without knowing what kind of QB Mac is going to be? Your first and last sentences contradict each other. Bill has no obligation to you, @amfootball or @1960Pats who are nothing but Brady fan boys. As many have pointed out, Brady wouldn’t be the same QB in NE that he was in Tampa with all his weapons. At most he’s be a 30 TD QB here and most likely we’d be a first or second round playoff exit.

There was no Mac when Bill let/allowed Brady to go. Mac wasn’t here. Stidham and Hoyer were. It was a mistake knowing what we knew then. The team had no successor when that decision was made. They deliberately chose not to be competitive over the alternative which was title contention. For what reasons who knows.

Like what Miami is about to experience letting their coach go with no successor.

BB’s blunder can become moot if Mac is for real. Too soon to say if he is.

 

[Brandon_Cox]

Point of clarification for @Ian. Say Brady announces his retirement and does one of those one day contracts with the Pats. Since he will have officially retired as a Patriot, will we be permitted to post about him on the main board?

 

[Greg]

So depressing to think this but I'm not sure that Brady wants to retire a patriot. I hope I am wrong as I would love to see him sign the one day deal but I think he also respects the bucs for what they did for him at the end of his career.

Huh? He’s 100 percent retiring a Patriot.

 

[Rob0729]

It was a mistake to let him go. Pats would have been contending for a title this year if Brady was here. BB would have also had a great shot at Shula’s record with Brady but now I’m not so sure he does. The rebuild had to happen sometime but it didn’t have to happen right away.

I just hope Mac is for real. If he is then all is well.

Belichick is 38 wins away from Shula. He has to average 9-10 wins the next four years to get the record. He can get that with or without Brady.

But if Brady retires this year, he wouldn’t be that much closer to getting to Shula’s record and wouldn’t have a QB going into next year. Who knows if the Pats would find a QB as good as Jones is to replace Brady now? This would have delayed the rebuilding process for a couple of years, but who knows if the Pats would ever had been in a position to draft a top QB in a deep QB draft if Brady stayed. Look at the Bills. It took them three decades to find a QB to replace Jim Kelly.

Belichick has a history of letting players go one year too early rather than one year too late. With Brady, it was two years too early.

If Jones wins the Pats at least a Super Bowl or two and gives the Pats at least a half dozen years or so of being strong contenders, the Pats actually were better off letting Brady walk. If not, then they made a mistake And should have worked harder to save the relationship. But that book won’t be written for at least Several years.

 

[sb1]

Belichick is 38 wins away from Shula. He has to average 9-10 wins the next four years to get the record. He can get that with or without Brady.

I would agree if I thought Bill wanted to stick around for 4-5 more years but I really don’t think he does. It’s a very steep climb imo. The Pats and especially Jones have to get really good really fast for that to be doable. Judging by this playoff season and the needs this team has it’s not going to be easy.

 

[203Pat]

The pretzels people will twist themselves into to claim Bill didn't make a mistake is comical.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Just imagine how many heads will explode if Brady picks BB to introduce him at the Hall of Fame induction.

I wonder who he credits more for his success.

BB or Guerrero.

 

[KDPPatsfan85]

 

[festy1986]

Brady isnt retiring a Patriot. He made that decision 2 years ago.

Some stupid ceremonial paper signing doesn't do a whole lot of anything for rationale adults.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I don’t even know how, pragmatically, he’d be able to sign a one day contact. By retiring, his contract with Tampa isn’t just voided. There’s still a year left on it. If he un-retired, the contract would kick in again and cause big cap implications. Not that it matters…guys don’t go to Canton with a certain team or anything. If someone is insecure enough to need him to pledge loyalty to the Patriots, that’s ridiculous. Every time career highlights are shown or all these legacy games are replayed, it’s Brady and the Patriots. If there’s a mechanism to retire as a Patriot, I could see him doing that though.

One thing you can be certain of with Tom is his bond with teammates trumps all. Imdon’t think he would care even if there was a secret fist fight with Belichick and Kraft when he left. He’s never burning a bridge with the Patriots…most of his friends and former teammates are Patriots. The fans, too. I believe he‘s genuinely a people person. That said, I’m sure he’ll always identify with the Patriots and Bucs, and I see nothing wrong with that. If this is it, what an incredible career, and I’m happy for him that his decision in 2020, to continue playing even with another franchise, paid off like this. It helps the Patriots as well, with questions about legitimacy looking even more absurd.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I would agree if I thought Bill wanted to stick around for 4-5 more years but I really don’t think he does. It’s a very steep climb imo. The Pats and especially Jones have to get really good really fast for that to be doable. Judging by this playoff season and the needs this team has it’s not going to be easy.

You were also so sure of yourself that Brady was going to win the super bowl this year...

 

[VectorPrime]

Has Vegas weighed in with odds at all since early last week?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

There was no Mac when Bill let/allowed Brady to go. Mac wasn’t here. Stidham and Hoyer were. It was a mistake knowing what we knew then. The team had no successor when that decision was made. They deliberately chose not to be competitive over the alternative which was title contention. For what reasons who knows.

Like what Miami is about to experience letting their coach go with no successor.

BB’s blunder can become moot if Mac is for real. Too soon to say if he is.

Bill had to move on. We couldn't compete with Tampa with the talent they had. Besides, it was Brady who wanted to leave because he didn't like the roster.

 

[Ivan]

Just imagine how many heads will explode if Brady picks BB to introduce him at the Hall of Fame induction.

Agree completely, but I’m betting it will be his dad.

 

[Ivan]

I wonder who he credits more for his success.

BB or Guerrero.

Belichick would be my guess.

 

[Patsgofor4]

It was a mistake to let him go. Pats would have been contending for a title this year if Brady was here. BB would have also had a great shot at Shula’s record with Brady but now I’m not so sure he does. The rebuild had to happen sometime but it didn’t have to happen right away.

I just hope Mac is for real. If he is then all is well.

Brady couldn’t make them a contender in 2019 and he would have been even more depressed and pouty-faced in 2020 than he was in 2019, especially after Jules went down, supported by an even less talented roster. 9-7, maybe 10-6 if absolutely everything went well.

With his cap hit, the Pats wouldn’t have been able to add as many players to the roster this past offseason…probably would not have added Henry, and likely one other free agent as well. The Pats would not have not contended this year with him at QB, stop deluding yourself. Did you watch the last few games, when all of their warts came to light? Mac wasn’t the problem in the Wild Card game, the overall talent disparity was.

Tampa stopped being a true SB threat once they were down to one elite WR and lost Werfs even though they still had a superior roster (compared to the Pats). The Rams game wasn’t nearly as close as the score and Brady struggled mightely for most of the game without Godwin and AB. LA gifted them 4 fumbles and two scoring drives of only 40 yards in the second half and Tampa still lost.

Last year he was surrounded by elite talent on both sides of the ball, his team enjoyed remarkably good health and also benefitted from not having to play in front of any hostile crowds in the playoffs, despite being a WC team. The engine of the playoff run was a smothering defense that peaked at the right time, not the offense. Does that sound anything like the Pats D in 2021? The notion that 44-year-old Brady could have carried any deeply flawed roster to a title is absurd.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Belichick would be my guess.

I should hope so but I really don't know.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Brady couldn’t make them a contender in 2019 and he would have been even more depressed and pouty-faced in 2020 than he was in 2019, especially after Jules went down, supported by an even less talented roster. 9-7, maybe 10-6 if absolutely everything went well.

With his cap hit, the Pats wouldn’t have been able to add as many players to the roster this past offseason…probably would not have added Henry, and likely one other free agent as well. The Pats would not have not contended this year with him at QB, stop deluding yourself. Did you watch the last few games, when all of their warts came to light? Mac wasn’t the problem in the Wild Card game, the overall talent disparity was.

Tampa stopped being a true SB threat once they were down to one elite WR and lost Werfs even though they still had a superior roster (compared to the Pats). The Rams game wasn’t nearly as close as the score and Brady struggled mightely for most of the game without Godwin and AB. LA gifted them 4 fumbles and two scoring drives of only 40 yards in the second half and Tampa still lost.

Last year he was surrounded by elite talent on both sides of the ball, his team enjoyed remarkably good health and also benefitted from not having to play in front of any hostile crowds in the playoffs, despite being a WC team. The engine of the playoff run was a smothering defense that peaked at the right time, not the offense. Does that sound anything like the Pats D in 2021? The notion that 44-year-old Brady could have carried any deeply flawed roster to a title is absurd.

yep, and Brady wasn’t good in the divisional game against the rams until the rams started fumbling the ball…