Brady MVP race

[SHOWTIME15]

How was I proven wrong when you just showed the stat that rodgers had twice as much. lol

So a guy who threw 6 TD passes at the 1 yard line, which were probably done because of play action, is now a stat padder? Who is the guy in the MVP race with nearly 200 more passing attempts than the other contender?

 

[sb1]

Well the issue there, is he was out because of his selfishness....so I mean how valuable is that?

Makes me think that he will lose a lot of votes anyway because of that.

 

[Kontradiction]

Yeah, I added the second sentence. Wanna actually contribute to the discussion of who should be MVP instead of getting triggered by my posts? Or nah?

Who is triggered? Certainly not me. You sound like you’re beginning to get a bit agitated, though. Going for 500 posts in this board by the end of the day?

 

[VectorPrime]

Maybe there is one argument for Rodgers and IMO it is a flimsy one. It was this game with Rodgers not playing. I think Rodgers would have beaten the Chiefs.

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This is dumber than the handful of media people that said Peyton Manning should be the 2011 MVP because the Colts went 2-14 without him.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Rodgers was lucky as **** when it came to premier games against other good/elite QBs. When I looked at the schedule at the beginning of the year, I thought the Packers would lose 5-6 games. But here's the type of luck/support he got..:

Cousins - Beat Packers in first game; DNP second game due to Covid
Mahomes - (Rodgers DNP); defense held to 13 points
Wilson - Defense shut out
L. Jackson - DNP due to Covid
Roethlisberger - Defense held to 17 points, interception (10 points before garbage time)
Burrow - Defense held to 22 points, 2 interceptions
Stafford - 28 points, interception (classic Stafford game....only 17 ponts before garbage time; pick six and fumble lost)
Murray - Defense held to 21 points, 2 INTs, game losing INT

So basically in every game, the defense held an above average QB to under the average amount of points, in some cases elite QBs, and forced multiple turnover often.

Well, whatever...as I've said in the past about the MVP award, it's really the award for the guy who overcame the least adversity, had the best numbers, and had the best record. Rarely does a QB win the award when he actually has to deal with injuries, a crappy defense, etc. It annoys me that Rodgers will win in both 2020 and 2021, considering he's done less than Brady or Mahomes in the two years combined, when you look at the actual offensive production rather than the sexy stats only. But in the end, MVP awards mean very little in the annals of history. No one cares how many PGA Player of the Year awards you have if you don't have the majors. The signature championships are all that really matter.

In the NHL they have a bunch of awards (actual trophies, not just some all-pro distinction.) It's nice because you can kind of split your votes for the trophies, instead of the all-or-nothing type of deal here. Rodgers and Brady both had outstanding seasons, but when you look at their passing attempts and what they were asked to do, it's apples to oranges.

 

[Tottie]

Rodgers was lucky as **** when it came to premier games against other good/elite QBs. When I looked at the schedule at the beginning of the year, I thought the Packers would lose 5-6 games. But here's the type of luck/support he got..:

Cousins - Beat Packers in first game; DNP second game due to Covid
Mahomes - (Rodgers DNP); defense held to 13 points
Wilson - Defense shut out
L. Jackson - DNP due to Covid
Roethlisberger - Defense held to 17 points, interception (10 points before garbage time)
Burrow - Defense held to 22 points, 2 interceptions
Stafford - 28 points, interception (classic Stafford game....only 17 ponts before garbage time; pick six and fumble lost)
Murray - Defense held to 21 points, 2 INTs, game losing INT

So basically in every game, the defense held an above average QB to under the average amount of points, in some cases elite QBs, and forced multiple turnover often.

Well, whatever...as I've said in the past about the MVP award, it's really the award for the guy who overcame the least adversity, had the best numbers, and had the best record. Rarely does a QB win the award when he actually has to deal with injuries, a crappy defense, etc. It annoys me that Rodgers will win in both 2020 and 2021, considering he's done less than Brady or Mahomes in the two years combined, when you look at the actual offensive production rather than the sexy stats only. But in the end, MVP awards mean very little in the annals of history. No one cares how many PGA Player of the Year awards you have if you don't have the majors. The signature championships are all that really matter.

In the NHL they have a bunch of awards (actual trophies, not just some all-pro distinction.) It's nice because you can kind of split your votes for the trophies, instead of the all-or-nothing type of deal here. Rodgers and Brady both had outstanding seasons, but when you look at their passing attempts and what they were asked to do, it's apples to oranges.

They aren't the only team with luck and I'm guessing it happens every year. TEN got hosed a few times and NE was lucky with weather and injuries as well.

 

[Pats1971]

This is dumber than the handful of media people that said Peyton Manning should be the 2011 MVP because the Colts went 2-14 without him.

How good you are without your QB is not based on your QB its based on his backup. If I have a good backup then not much, if I have a bad backup, then its a big drop off. It has nothing to do with the QB himself

 

[Reubski23]

I'm sure it's quite a bit. I'm a troll...

so if this is the case why do the Mods allow him to be on this board?
Why are we allowing trolls on our own forum? Am I missing something

 

[Biffins]

The opinion seems to be shifting back. Brady has some momentum behind him. I see the odds have slightly come in. Brady went from 6/1 to 4/1 now. And moving.

Especially after Arians' speech that it'll be a travesty. Arians also highlighted most completions ever in history (Brady beat that record). Lots of videos on this got posted recently and support for Brady is growing.

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Tom Brady is the real reason Aaron Rodgers should lose MVP votes.

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[VectorPrime]

When do they vote?

 

[bigballas]

has there ever been a surprise that deviates from vegas odds? i imagine these guys (AP voters) get paid by vegas so this is about as locked as possible given the current odds

 

[amfootball]

When do they vote?

It gets announced the Saturday before the super bowl but I'm not sure when the voting actually takes place.

 

[Pats1971]

has there ever been a surprise that deviates from vegas odds? i imagine these guys (AP voters) get paid by vegas so this is about as locked as possible given the current odds

Actually yes quite a bit. Vegas does odds based on where people are going to put their money, not on who they think is going to win. Where people put there money is what moves lines up and down.

 

[VectorPrime]

Actually yes quite a bit. Vegas does odds based on where people are going to put their money, not on who they think is going to win. Where people put there money is what moves lines up and down.

Yes, for things that aren’t predetermined. But for things that are objectively decided ahead of time such as MVP voting? They absolutely tell a story. It’s like when Vegas books took bets on who would be King/Queen at the end of Game of Thrones just prior to the final season airing and the odds were absolutely hilariously weighted to Bran despite being one of the single most illogical choices because there are enough people involved with the show who will talk to Vegas.

 

[Guts]

Yes, for things that aren’t predetermined. But for things that are objectively decided ahead of time such as MVP voting? They absolutely tell a story. It’s like when Vegas books took bets on who would be King/Queen at the end of Game of Thrones just prior to the final season airing and the odds were absolutely hilariously weighted to Bran despite being one of the single most illogical choices because there are enough people involved with the show who will talk to Vegas.

Season 8 doesn't exist.

 

[Pats1971]

Yes, for things that aren’t predetermined. But for things that are objectively decided ahead of time such as MVP voting? They absolutely tell a story. It’s like when Vegas books took bets on who would be King/Queen at the end of Game of Thrones just prior to the final season airing and the odds were absolutely hilariously weighted to Bran despite being one of the single most illogical choices because there are enough people involved with the show who will talk to Vegas.

MVP is not predetermined. The line has been all over the place this year.

 

[venecol]

The vote is over. They just won't announce it until pre SB. Vegas already knows the results.

 

[Pats1971]

The vote is over. They just won't announce it until pre SB. Vegas already knows the results.

Right, but vegas does not get imformed of the vote count, that would be pretty damn illegal.

 

[venecol]

Right, but vegas does not get imformed of the vote count, that would be pretty damn illegal.

I mean, it's the mob.

 

[Pats1971]

I mean, it's the mob.

I am not sure the mob really exists anymore and also not sure that would be a big money maker.