Bill Belichick appreciation thread

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Bill is +125 for Coach of the Year. Unless the Patriots lose the division, I think he's going to win it.

 

[n1997y]

There is a major question in my mind, whether the Parcells/Belichick coaching culture/approach will be gone when Bill retires.

It's been here with Belichick for so long now, people take it for granted.

Neither of the Bills is a perfect strategist. But it is simply unique in the sport. A team-wide attitude which emphasizes what each individual can control without overreaching. Discipline and focus. Not being distracted or deterred by failures which discourage any other team. Don't get me wrong, Brady brought a strong attitude, experience in college and character, but he bought into the system, he didn't create it. Parcells has to get the credit for that. Took me years to understand and appreciate it.

And unlike most owners, he evaluated his decision making process and control issues, and changed. Out with Grier and Carroll, in with BB and "here are the reins". BB spent a season cleaning house and hard-core evaluating what he had, picked up a bunch of reliable former players, and then captured lightning in a bottle. Doesn't happen if RKK stays stubborn and brings in a more pliable coach/GM tandem.

Exactly. Starting from the top, all the way down, it is JUST DO YOUR JOB. Don’t try to do too much, don’t try to do everybody else’s job. Do your job. Trust everyone around you to do the same.

 

[1960Pats]

You're a reasonable poster, I'm not going to repeat what I've written earlier in this thread but yes BB is the best and I've said as such. He's the GOAT coach and also the best GM of the past 20 years. This has included spectacular draft periods and also 2 specific terribly bad draft periods with McIdiot here. But it seems to be fixed now wresting war room control over to Wolf, Groh, and Patricia now. The last draft was awesome.

Part of why I care to criticize the staff around BB is I want BB to win another ring; BB retiring is my worst nightmare as a Pats fan especially considering who his replacement might be.

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So I read that wrong. Thanks.

 

[1960Pats]

There is a major question in my mind, whether the Parcells/Belichick coaching culture/approach will be gone when Bill retires.

It's been here with Belichick for so long now, people take it for granted.

Neither of the Bills is a perfect strategist. But it is simply unique in the sport. A team-wide attitude which emphasizes what each individual can control without overreaching. Discipline and focus. Not being distracted or deterred by failures which discourage any other team. Don't get me wrong, Brady brought a strong attitude, experience in college and character, but he bought into the system, he didn't create it. Parcells has to get the credit for that. Took me years to understand and appreciate it.

You do realize that Tuna Crap deserted this team and was dealing with the Jets before he left, don't you? He also convinced Curtis Martin to leave with him.
The two Bills are part of the Ray Perkins coaching tree and Belichick is miles ahead of Parcells. In fact, it's very possible that Tuna doesn't get a SB win without Belichick.
The only thing that Tuna had going for him was his ability to pick which teams to go to. All of them could only improve.
Please don't tell me that you're one of those fans who wants to put that piece of crap into the Pats HOF

 

[yukon cornelius]

You do realize that Tuna Crap deserted this team and was dealing with the Jets before he left, don't you? He also convinced Curtis Martin to leave with him.
The two Bills are part of the Ray Perkins coaching tree and Belichick is miles ahead of Parcells. In fact, it's very possible that Tuna doesn't get a SB win without Belichick.
The only thing that Tuna had going for him was his ability to pick which teams to go to. All of them could only improve.
Please don't tell me that you're one of those fans who wants to put that piece of crap into the Pats HOF

please no Hall

he never did win one without BB, so it stands to speculate.....

 

[RobertWeathers]

You do realize that Tuna Crap deserted this team and was dealing with the Jets before he left, don't you? He also convinced Curtis Martin to leave with him.

That's part of the game. He offered him a ton of money. If you want to blame someone blame RKK for not locking him up in 1997

The two Bills are part of the Ray Perkins coaching tree and Belichick is miles ahead of Parcells. In fact, it's very possible that Tuna doesn't get a SB win without Belichick.

But they did so...

The only thing that Tuna had going for him was his ability to pick which teams to go to. All of them could only improve.

...but when he got there they became SB contenders shortly thereafter.

Please don't tell me that you're one of those fans who wants to put that piece of crap into the Pats HOF

Agree. Absolutely not.

 

[sean10mm]

The Tuna was undoubtedly a great re-builder, even without Belichick in his later years.

He was also a completely self-serving a-hole and general prima donna, like way more of a diva than any wide receiver I've ever seen. He always blows things up the second he feels like he's not being sufficiently coddled, which can be set off by any goddamn random thing.

Kraft undoubtedly played a role in their divorce as a novice owner, but Parcells was acting in outright bad faith the whole time and would go on to repeat the same patterns of bad behavior the rest of his career. It's not like he settled down and rode out adversity with anybody else on down the line either.

The Tuna was a great example of a guy with genuine ability whose own character flaws held him back from true greatness.

 

[Sicilian]

For those of you who watch hockey, Parcells to me is a lot like John Tortorella. Big, loud personality, who gives great sound bites and has a reputation as a tough, no nonsense coach. Demands a lot from his players and, for the first few years, will GET a lot out of them for that reason. Might even get you a championship if things fall right for one of those years. But after the 2nd or 3rd year of that, players just start to tune him out. His style is just not sustainable for longer than a few years.

 

[n1997y]

That's part of the game. He offered him a ton of money. If you want to blame someone blame RKK for not locking him up in 1997

no, I blame Tuna for slighting his contractual obligation to the team that was still paying him while he was negotiating with their rival for future employment.

 

[RobertWeathers]

no, I blame Tuna for slighting his contractual obligation to the team that was still paying him while he was negotiating with their rival for future employment.

I don't think the actual timelines of Tuna's treason and C-Mart leaving line up

 

[sb1]

I don't think the actual timelines of Tuna's treason and C-Mart leaving line up

Yeah Parcells left in 97 and Martin signed the Jets offer sheet in 98.

 

[Wozzy]

Parcells had a 500 record until BB became his Defensive Coordinator on both the Giants and Pats ... within one season of BB taking over the defense they were in a Super Bowl.

Belichick was also the LB'ers coach under Ray Perkins who worked out and put his stamp of approval on Lawrence Taylor years earlier... BB is pretty good at his job.

 

[n1997y]

I don't think the actual timelines of Tuna's treason and C-Mart leaving line up

I wasn’t saying anything about C-Mart. But Parcells was supposed to be coaching the Pats up to beat the Pack and he did a piss poor job of that because he was distracted by negotiating with the Jets. And then he was still bound by his Pats contract restricting him from taking another head coaching job so he had to resort to a fraudulent facade with Belichick as coach and Parcells as “advisor”. When Kraft got ready to sue over that subterfuge Tagliabue intervened and brokered a deal to get the Patriots to release Parcells. The whole thing showed a lack of ethical integrity IMNSHO.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Parcells had a 500 record until BB became his Defensive Coordinator on both the Giants and Pats ... within one season of BB taking over the defense they were in a Super Bowl.

Belichick was also the LB'ers coach under Ray Perkins who worked out and put his stamp of approval on Lawrence Taylor years earlier... BB is pretty good at his job.

Parcells turned around 3-4 franchises but BB is the goat.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I wasn’t saying anything about C-Mart. But Parcells was supposed to be coaching the Pats up to beat the Pack and he did a piss poor job of that because he was distracted by negotiating with the Jets. And then he was still bound by his Pats contract restricting him from taking another head coaching job so he had to resort to a fraudulent facade with Belichick as coach and Parcells as “advisor”. When Kraft got ready to sue over that subterfuge Tagliabue intervened and brokered a deal to get the Patriots to release Parcells. The whole thing showed a lack of ethical integrity IMNSHO.

Yea I misread your post.

Agree 100%

 

[PatsFanInVa]

I'm not going to get salty about Tuna being a huge effing traitor, which he was, saying that lame "I said I'd bring a championship to New England and I did" BS. No man, that's a Buffalo championship, not a championship, and you fvkin know it. That was probably a throwaway line to get away from a reporter but it landed like a kick in the nuts.

I also get the above about the ethics of his escape route, but it's not like he did something really bad like being generally aware that if you reversed the results of two gauges that something really crazy was going on like a football being soft in cold air and less soft in warm air. Or something. Seriously, they all got through it without going to court, as a fan I hate Tuna, but in terms of the Hall, that's not my beef.

My beef is, wtf did he do to get there? For the really HOF I know he had a couple of SBs. Is that all you need?

BB's got his 6 with the Pats and God knows how many more he'll be around for with Mac, AND he's got these stellar coaching decision moments... most recently, while all our "I'm smarter than BB" trolls were saying "what horrible playcalling," he prepared for the situation exactly right, he was on 1 page with Josh to execute exactly right, and he did exactly the right thing when you do not have a need to go to Plan B and Plan A is far and away the better percentage bet given the present situation. That is, he stuck with Plan A: Run it until and unless they have an answer. There are lots of other stand-out games, and then there is the roster building, on full display this year (again.) What did Parcells ever build in the salary cap/free agency era?

Nah, Parcells was an okay coach, but he doesn't really belong in the HOF. If we mean the Patriots HOF, he wasn't really a Patriots coach, he made that clear. He was a rental who wanted out so bad he dinged our one chance during his tenure to win it all... to get out.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Parcells had a 500 record until BB became his Defensive Coordinator on both the Giants and Pats ... within one season of BB taking over the defense they were in a Super Bowl.

Belichick was never the defensive coordinator in NE.

 

[yukon cornelius]

 

[NormZauchin]

I'm not going to get salty about Tuna being a huge effing traitor, which he was, saying that lame "I said I'd bring a championship to New England and I did" BS. No man, that's a Buffalo championship, not a championship, and you fvkin know it. That was probably a throwaway line to get away from a reporter but it landed like a kick in the nuts.

I also get the above about the ethics of his escape route, but it's not like he did something really bad like being generally aware that if you reversed the results of two gauges that something really crazy was going on like a football being soft in cold air and less soft in warm air. Or something. Seriously, they all got through it without going to court, as a fan I hate Tuna, but in terms of the Hall, that's not my beef.

My beef is, wtf did he do to get there? For the really HOF I know he had a couple of SBs. Is that all you need?

BB's got his 6 with the Pats and God knows how many more he'll be around for with Mac, AND he's got these stellar coaching decision moments... most recently, while all our "I'm smarter than BB" trolls were saying "what horrible playcalling," he prepared for the situation exactly right, he was on 1 page with Josh to execute exactly right, and he did exactly the right thing when you do not have a need to go to Plan B and Plan A is far and away the better percentage bet given the present situation. That is, he stuck with Plan A: Run it until and unless they have an answer. There are lots of other stand-out games, and then there is the roster building, on full display this year (again.) What did Parcells ever build in the salary cap/free agency era?

Nah, Parcells was an okay coach, but he doesn't really belong in the HOF. If we mean the Patriots HOF, he wasn't really a Patriots coach, he made that clear. He was a rental who wanted out so bad he dinged our one chance during his tenure to win it all... to get out.

To this day, I think the manner of Parcells' departure from the Patriots is unique in NFL history. Vince Lombardi, Bill Walsh, Jimmy Johnson, **** Vermeil, and Parcells all retired after winning a Super Bowl. (Walsh was the only one to have stayed permanently retired.) But no coach has ever switched teams immediately after playing in the Super Bowl, let alone negotiated with another team for a new job while he was preparing his current team for the biggest game. I think this fact alone should prevent Parcells from ever being inducted into the Patriots Hall of Fame. Now if there were a Patriots Hall of Shame, he'd belong there with a few others like Aaron Hernandez.

 

[rochrist]

Belichick was never the defensive coordinator in NE.

Right, he was the 'assistant head coach'.